Comments on: Folly Old England http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/ The latest in policital news and the war in Iraq Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:50:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Babs http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4061 Babs Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:13:19 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4061 The most reasonable thing I have heard to end this stand off is to give the Iranian gov' notice that in 36 hours their one and only gasoline refinery plant will be struck and disabled unless the sailors are returned unharmed before then. In addition, an embrgo will commense immediately on all ships carrying gasoline to Iraq. This would minimize loss of human life and, no nuclear fallout as hitting one of their nuclear plants might produce. I also don't understand the wisdom of allowing Iran to parade western hostages and, more importantly, allowing the mullahs to rile up the local populace during Friday prayers... You would think that the British gov't would understand by now that allowing a conflict to take place over a Friday would cause the entire Islamic world to go crazy. Just think back to the cartoons... Hit the frickin gas refineries and then talk... The most reasonable thing I have heard to end this stand off is to give the Iranian gov’ notice that in 36 hours their one and only gasoline refinery plant will be struck and disabled unless the sailors are returned unharmed before then. In addition, an embrgo will commense immediately on all ships carrying gasoline to Iraq.
This would minimize loss of human life and, no nuclear fallout as hitting one of their nuclear plants might produce.
I also don’t understand the wisdom of allowing Iran to parade western hostages and, more importantly, allowing the mullahs to rile up the local populace during Friday prayers… You would think that the British gov’t would understand by now that allowing a conflict to take place over a Friday would cause the entire Islamic world to go crazy. Just think back to the cartoons…
Hit the frickin gas refineries and then talk…

]]> By: Gramps http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4064 Gramps Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:48:44 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4064 "Can anyone tell me just exactly what pressure Iran is feeling right now?" Well, the Brits did get the UN to say something to the effect that it wasn't a nice thing that Iran did. :-) Can anyone tell me why the U.S. is still in the UN? “Can anyone tell me just exactly what pressure Iran is feeling right now?”

Well, the Brits did get the UN to say something to the effect that it wasn’t a nice thing that Iran did. :-)

Can anyone tell me why the U.S. is still in the UN?

]]> By: drillanwr http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4066 drillanwr Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:50:46 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4066 Gee, I wonder if those Brit sailors and marines are being fed "culturally and religiously" appropriate food and are being given Bibles and are permitted to prayer meetings, hmmm? And how about the International Red Cross and human rights groups ... are they 1) insisting on Geneva Convention standards (of which, unless I'm wrong, Iran signed) and are they being granted access to the prisoners? and 2) have the IRC and h.r. groups even bothered to request or demand access to them in the last week? I'm soooo more angered by the hour by this. Even after the Revolutionary War in this country we miraculously managed to remain more than friends with Great Briton. Hell, I call my online British contacts "cousin"! I want my cousins outta there ... now! Seems Great Briton shouldn't have sent so many of its convicts and undesirables off to "The New World" back in the day. I believe they shipped away their backbone gene ... Immediately set a deadline for release. If that deadline passes, begin bombing the refinery (as Babs suggested above). Set another, much shorter, deadline ... and when it passes, begin bombing Iranian ports. Come on, Tony:!: Gee, I wonder if those Brit sailors and marines are being fed “culturally and religiously” appropriate food and are being given Bibles and are permitted to prayer meetings, hmmm? And how about the International Red Cross and human rights groups … are they 1) insisting on Geneva Convention standards (of which, unless I’m wrong, Iran signed) and are they being granted access to the prisoners? and 2) have the IRC and h.r. groups even bothered to request or demand access to them in the last week?

I’m soooo more angered by the hour by this. Even after the Revolutionary War in this country we miraculously managed to remain more than friends with Great Briton. Hell, I call my online British contacts “cousin”! I want my cousins outta there … now! Seems Great Briton shouldn’t have sent so many of its convicts and undesirables off to “The New World” back in the day. I believe they shipped away their backbone gene … Immediately set a deadline for release. If that deadline passes, begin bombing the refinery (as Babs suggested above). Set another, much shorter, deadline … and when it passes, begin bombing Iranian ports. Come on, Tony:!:

]]> By: drillanwr http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4068 drillanwr Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:52:04 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4068 Gramps, Imagine what we could do with the money we fund to the UN every year ... Gramps,

Imagine what we could do with the money we fund to the UN every year …

]]> By: Bane http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4069 Bane Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:52:32 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4069 Babs, you don't even need to destroy the entire refinery. Just blow up a few strategic points and disable it. Those people can't fix shit for themselves. Bahrain is freaking out right now over RUMOURS that US citizens are about to be pulled out. Their oil industry will collapse. How many Arabs does it take to change a lightbulb? None, cuz they don't know how, and go get an American to do it. Babs, you don’t even need to destroy the entire refinery. Just blow up a few strategic points and disable it. Those people can’t fix shit for themselves. Bahrain is freaking out right now over RUMOURS that US citizens are about to be pulled out. Their oil industry will collapse. How many Arabs does it take to change a lightbulb? None, cuz they don’t know how, and go get an American to do it.

]]> By: Spud http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4070 Spud Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:55:16 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4070 As much as I like looking at bomb damage assesment reports of Kharg Island, a naval blockade would work. Nothing in, nothing out till the hostage are released. Assets are already in place. Merchant fleets would refuse to cross the line and that means no oil money. Start today. If the Iranians want to force the issue, well you can light them up. As much as I like looking at bomb damage assesment reports of Kharg Island, a naval blockade would work. Nothing in, nothing out till the hostage are released. Assets are already in place. Merchant fleets would refuse to cross the line and that means no oil money. Start today. If the Iranians want to force the issue, well you can light them up.

]]> By: Zegron http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4073 Zegron Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:10:34 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4073 I'm with Babs and Bane, Mr. Blair needs to back his words up. If he can cause Iran to lose face with their neighbors and prove that he means business the Brits will get their people back. Too bad one of our many ships over there can't slip toss a cruise missile on their silly little refinery by "accident". ;-) I’m with Babs and Bane, Mr. Blair needs to back his words up. If he can cause Iran to lose face with their neighbors and prove that he means business the Brits will get their people back. Too bad one of our many ships over there can’t slip toss a cruise missile on their silly little refinery by “accident”. ;-)

]]> By: D_Mac http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4075 D_Mac Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:16:35 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4075 How bout taking 150 Iranians hostage, 15 die each day for 10 days, then nuke Tehran. Ahh, one day, when I'm King of America... How bout taking 150 Iranians hostage, 15 die each day for 10 days, then nuke Tehran.

Ahh, one day, when I’m King of America…

]]> By: D_Mac http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4076 D_Mac Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:17:31 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4076 oh and if they give the sailors back before 10 days, we spare the rest of the sailors.... but nuke Tehran anyway :mrgreen::mrgreen: oh and if they give the sailors back before 10 days, we spare the rest of the sailors….

but nuke Tehran anyway :mrgreen::mrgreen:

]]> By: D_Mac http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4077 D_Mac Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:17:53 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4077 oh and if they give the sailors back before 10 days, we spare the rest of the sailors.... but nuke Tehran anyway :mrgreen: :mrgreen: oh and if they give the sailors back before 10 days, we spare the rest of the sailors….

but nuke Tehran anyway :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

]]> By: Bane http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4083 Bane Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:33:49 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4083 Zegron, if we drop so much as a grenade, Iran has promised to 'unleash hell'. So, assuming it's not a bluff, we need all our ducks in a row to retaliate and such. We got a whole pile of scary boats there, Russki intel reports our troops massing on the Iranian border. Me? If I was a prisoner, I'd hang myself or chew my wrist open before I let myself be used as a pawn. But I guess that's just me. Zegron, if we drop so much as a grenade, Iran has promised to ‘unleash hell’. So, assuming it’s not a bluff, we need all our ducks in a row to retaliate and such. We got a whole pile of scary boats there, Russki intel reports our troops massing on the Iranian border. Me? If I was a prisoner, I’d hang myself or chew my wrist open before I let myself be used as a pawn. But I guess that’s just me.

]]> By: Gramps http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4088 Gramps Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:49:59 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4088 "if we drop so much as a grenade, Iran has promised to ‘unleash hell’." I sure HOPE someone drops a grenade then. We can have another mother of all wars....LOL “if we drop so much as a grenade, Iran has promised to ‘unleash hell’.”

I sure HOPE someone drops a grenade then. We can have another mother of all wars….LOL

]]> By: JOEL http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4092 JOEL Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:12:40 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4092 gramps, read - inside the asylum by jed gramps, read - inside the asylum by jed

]]> By: Babs http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4095 Babs Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:28:36 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4095 Babs, you don’t even need to destroy the entire refinery. Just blow up a few strategic points and disable it. Hey Bane, you got it in one... Just disable the only gas refinery they have and it will cause economic chaos in Iran. You want the sailors? How bad do you want them??? Babs, you don’t even need to destroy the entire refinery. Just blow up a few strategic points and disable it.

Hey Bane, you got it in one… Just disable the only gas refinery they have and it will cause economic chaos in Iran.
You want the sailors? How bad do you want them???

]]> By: ROSEBUD http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4096 ROSEBUD Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:39:58 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4096 It's simple. Pick an unoccupied mountain peak just over the border between Iraq and Iran and put a nuke on it. Advertise in advance . . . and do it at night;) It’s simple. Pick an unoccupied mountain peak just over the border between Iraq and Iran and put a nuke on it. Advertise in advance . . . and do it at night;)

]]> By: Babs http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4120 Babs Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:42:14 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4120 I like your idea Rosebud but, not a nuke.The west simply can't open that door. I like your idea Rosebud but, not a nuke.The west simply can’t open that door.

]]> By: Kevin M http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4124 Kevin M Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:04:32 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4124 I seem to recall something about Teddy Roosevelt telling a certain foreign power that unless our diplomat is standing on the docks, alive and unharmed, in 24 hours, our battleship anchored off your nation's capitol, and with its canons aimed at your capitol, will unload its entire supply of mortar onto your decrepit capitol. Several hours later the diplomat was delivered, safe and unharmed. These animals understand only one thing, one thing, one thing and one thing only: the use of force. It is not up to us what is necessary to see right done; it is up to our enemies. It is not our enemies that put a price on our citizens' heads, it is those of us who are willing to negotiate the value of our citizens. The west is being laughed at. That laughter emboldens our enemies. Stop the laughter. Stop the public humiliation. Bomb them into the stone age. Don't do that, and you will learn what "dhimmitude" means. I seem to recall something about Teddy Roosevelt telling a certain foreign power that unless our diplomat is standing on the docks, alive and unharmed, in 24 hours, our battleship anchored off your nation’s capitol, and with its canons aimed at your capitol, will unload its entire supply of mortar onto your decrepit capitol.

Several hours later the diplomat was delivered, safe and unharmed.

These animals understand only one thing, one thing, one thing and one thing only: the use of force.

It is not up to us what is necessary to see right done; it is up to our enemies. It is not our enemies that put a price on our citizens’ heads, it is those of us who are willing to negotiate the value of our citizens.

The west is being laughed at. That laughter emboldens our enemies.

Stop the laughter. Stop the public humiliation.

Bomb them into the stone age.

Don’t do that, and you will learn what “dhimmitude” means.

]]> By: grumpy http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4129 grumpy Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:06:04 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4129 This may be an unpopular statement but I will say it regardless. We need to cut Blair a little slack. He has stood by us when many of our “allies” were stabbing us in the back (France, Germany, Russia...) I know that he isn't putting up the fight that we all want him to but you have to imagine what shit he has got to be dealing with right now. He is a politician, one that has seen his entire appeasing continent turn against him. Right now he is probably doing all his fellow chicken shit-fellow leaders are allowing him to do. I believe that he did all he could to back us up and lost his job because of it. We really should be supporting him and not turning our back on him now. This may be an unpopular statement but I will say it regardless. We need to cut Blair a little slack. He has stood by us when many of our “allies” were stabbing us in the back (France, Germany, Russia…) I know that he isn’t putting up the fight that we all want him to but you have to imagine what shit he has got to be dealing with right now. He is a politician, one that has seen his entire appeasing continent turn against him. Right now he is probably doing all his fellow chicken shit-fellow leaders are allowing him to do. I believe that he did all he could to back us up and lost his job because of it. We really should be supporting him and not turning our back on him now.

]]> By: mindy abraham http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4131 mindy abraham Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:27:12 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4131 I hope soemthing gets done soon...I feel so sorry for those brits-they are our friends:sad: If we were not in iraq I would suggest we do something. While a military option should be a last option, it should still be an option. I hope soemthing gets done soon…I feel so sorry for those brits-they are our friends:sad: If we were not in iraq I would suggest we do something. While a military option should be a last option, it should still be an option.

]]> By: Gramps http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4132 Gramps Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:30:16 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4132 "gramps, read - inside the asylum by jed" Thank you, I just ordered it. “gramps, read - inside the asylum by jed”

Thank you, I just ordered it.

]]> By: Uberkamper http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4134 Uberkamper Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:35:48 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4134 IMO, Primeminister Blair is more of an American than any blue blooded American-born, Iran watched FNC/CNN just as most of us did during the 2003 operation. We showed the world what we wanted to show them, not even close to what we can do w/o nukes. IMO they are a bunch of poodles yapping how tough they are while being scared to death. IMO, Primeminister Blair is more of an American than any blue blooded American-born, Iran watched FNC/CNN just as most of us did during the 2003 operation. We showed the world what we wanted to show them, not even close to what we can do w/o nukes. IMO they are a bunch of poodles yapping how tough they are while being scared to death.

]]> By: rumsfeld47 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4135 rumsfeld47 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:48:22 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4135 Wouldn't it make the war in Iraq easier to fight if we went to war with Iran? They've been fucking with our shit since day one. With respect, I don't think this is the time to cut anyone any slack. If someone was raping your wife, you wouldn't try to talk him out of it while he was in the act, you'd kill him with your bare hands! (Or the nearest blunt object. Or your gun.) What do you think they're threatening those hostages with, Christina Aguilerra music? Wouldn’t it make the war in Iraq easier to fight if we went to war with Iran? They’ve been fucking with our shit since day one.

With respect, I don’t think this is the time to cut anyone any slack. If someone was raping your wife, you wouldn’t try to talk him out of it while he was in the act, you’d kill him with your bare hands! (Or the nearest blunt object. Or your gun.)

What do you think they’re threatening those hostages with, Christina Aguilerra music?

]]> By: Chet Stevens http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4140 Chet Stevens Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:11:05 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4140 Either the policticians in charge are brilliant and really have something good up their sleeves or they are just a bunch of ignorant motherfuckers only concerned about the political consequences. Iran needs to pay a price for this bullshit that they are pulling. They have never paid a significant price for anything, be it the 1980 hostage crisis or the bombing of the barracks in beruit, the fear of political ramifications has shown Iran that they will only be rewarded for their behavior. Either the policticians in charge are brilliant and really have something good up their sleeves or they are just a bunch of ignorant motherfuckers only concerned about the political consequences. Iran needs to pay a price for this bullshit that they are pulling. They have never paid a significant price for anything, be it the 1980 hostage crisis or the bombing of the barracks in beruit, the fear of political ramifications has shown Iran that they will only be rewarded for their behavior.

]]> By: drillanwr http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4144 drillanwr Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:51:58 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4144 I think we can hold off on the nukes for awhile. But a few [well placed] MOABs just might get things moving ... in their pants? These people (I know, highly unPC of me but IDGAF) have ALWAYS used kidnapping as a bartering tool and as a measuring stick of their opponent ... for centuries. I don't care what their unbaked reason for it now is ... it's as has been mentioned here, they only understand force. They do not appreciate such crap as "It's stronger and braver not to use violence and force ..." What I'm seeing here is a rewind of how the West acted re: such terrorist aggressions pre-9/11. Just talk nice, just smile and wave at them, just ignore them ... but do not offend them or get mean or stern with them. Iran has been in Iraq for months, maybe the better part of a year or more. We have proof. We've traced the IEDs and weapons back to them ... we've picked up their people inside Iraq. Pre-9/11, I said. They are at war with us, but we aren't at war with them. I think we can hold off on the nukes for awhile. But a few [well placed] MOABs just might get things moving … in their pants?

These people (I know, highly unPC of me but IDGAF) have ALWAYS used kidnapping as a bartering tool and as a measuring stick of their opponent … for centuries. I don’t care what their unbaked reason for it now is … it’s as has been mentioned here, they only understand force. They do not appreciate such crap as “It’s stronger and braver not to use violence and force …”

What I’m seeing here is a rewind of how the West acted re: such terrorist aggressions pre-9/11. Just talk nice, just smile and wave at them, just ignore them … but do not offend them or get mean or stern with them.

Iran has been in Iraq for months, maybe the better part of a year or more. We have proof. We’ve traced the IEDs and weapons back to them … we’ve picked up their people inside Iraq. Pre-9/11, I said. They are at war with us, but we aren’t at war with them.

]]> By: starkc http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4238 starkc Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:37:14 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2007/03/folly-old-england/#comment-4238 We have two MOABs (that I know of) that we chose not to use in Iraq (the MOAB has only been tested, never deployed). When they detonate, they look so much like Nukes (Mushroom cloud included) that explaining and proving that they were in fact conventional weapons would be an issue. Not to mention the lack of suitible targets and the risk of collatoral damage. Our best bet is doing what we're doing; moving forces to intimidate in the Gulf, continue capturing Al-Quds operators, and hopefully capturing Kharg and some oil derricks if they refuse to comply and release the hostages. We have two MOABs (that I know of) that we chose not to use in Iraq (the MOAB has only been tested, never deployed).

When they detonate, they look so much like Nukes (Mushroom cloud included) that explaining and proving that they were in fact conventional weapons would be an issue. Not to mention the lack of suitible targets and the risk of collatoral damage.

Our best bet is doing what we’re doing; moving forces to intimidate in the Gulf, continue capturing Al-Quds operators, and hopefully capturing Kharg and some oil derricks if they refuse to comply and release the hostages.

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