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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush would veto any bill drafted by House Democratic leaders that would fund the Iraq war only into the summer months, his spokesman said Wednesday.
And Defense Secretary Robert Gates told a Senate committee that such short-term funding would be very disruptive and “have a huge impact” on contracts to repair and replace equipment. The Defense Department, he said, just doesn’t “have the agility to manage a two month appropriation.”
Gates also told the Senate Defense Appropriations panel that if the military begins to see progress in Iraq later this fall, including political reconciliation within the Iraqi government, the U.S. could begin withdrawing troops.
The Pentagon, he said, is “looking for the direction of events—we don’t have to have it all locked in place and everything complete … If (we) see some very positive progress and it looks like things are heading in the right direction, then that’s the point at which I think we can begin to consider reducing some of those forces.”
He added that “getting the level of violence in Iraq to point where the political process can go forward and seeing some progress in reconciliation sets the stage for us to begin withdrawing our units … and allowing those security responsibilities to be assumed by the Iraqis.”
Gates has said commanders in Iraq will provide as assessment of the conditions in Iraq in September. And he said Wednesday that the Iraqis are assuming more security responsibilities day by day, but the U.S. cannot abandon the country prematurely. Doing so, he said, would allow al-Qaida terrorists to use Iraq’s western Anbar province as a base to plan operations against the United States.
The Democrats’ proposal would pay for the war through July, then give Congress the option of cutting off money after that if conditions do not improve. Bush requested more than $90 billion to fund the war through September.
“There are restrictions on funding and there are also some of the spending items that were mentioned in the first veto message that are still in the bill,” White House press secretary Tony Snow said on Air Force One traveling with Bush.
Asked directly if Bush would veto the House bill in its current form, Snow said, “Yes.”
“It would have a devastating effect on the department,” Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman said. “An institution of this size needs to have predictability and assurance” on the funding of its programs.
“It would be massively disruptive,” Whitman said. “This is a large, complex institution.”
Bush vetoed an earlier bill because it set deadlines for U.S. troop withdrawals from Iraq.
The new proposal is aimed at appeasing Democratic lawmakers who want to end the war immediately and are urging leaders not to back down after Bush’s veto. But lacking a firm endorsement by the Senate, the challenge by House Democrats seemed more for political show than a preview of another veto showdown with Bush.
Snow talked with reporters on Air Force One as Bush flew to Kansas to see the devastation from last week’s tornado.
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May 9th, 2007 at 8:16 amWOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 9th, 2007 at 8:37 amDemocrats call for troop pull-out of New Jersey — Developing….
May 9th, 2007 at 8:41 amThere is an intense lobbying effort to put pressure on the Dems not to back down…One suggestion is to rescind the war powers thing they voted yes to in 2003.
Call your US Senator today & urge them to stick to the withdrawl time table …even if it is modified a bit.
Maybe start withrawing by October & do it for 12 months till following Oct & then fund the war only till Oct 2008.
If they modify/moderate the plan they will likely pick up a few more republican votes.
If still vetoed then the Dems should start all over again……
Now they have a majority & can control agenda & investigations (even though not enough votes to overide)
Hope Senator from S Dakota is ok & hangs on!!!!
How is he doing by the way?
Soooo close!
What Dems need to do is try to pick up a couple of seats in US Senate in 2008.
in the House things are a bit better. But not a big margain.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:57 amIt’s time to take a page out of the protesters book and show the Defeatocrats what the will of the people really is. The Defeatorcrats keep playing games with the funding of our military and the security of the United States. I am tired if sitting alone with my frustration and watching the Defeatocrats dictating to the Commander and Chief how to surrender to the enemy. They need to know they will be held accountable for their war crimes, and their roll to aid and abed the enemy of this country. They need to know they will not only loose votes and elections but credibility as a political party interested in the security of this country.
lwssdd
May 9th, 2007 at 9:07 amYeah, there’s a good idea, Denis. Tell the terrorists exactly when we’re going to leave. Great idea. Smashing.
How do you rescind something you ***VOTED FOR*** in the first place? You don’t half-ass a decision like that. Maybe that’s just me. Maybe it’s because you’re all a bunch of fucking liberal dipshits (along with your fucking pseudo-conservative/RINO dipshit friends).
May 9th, 2007 at 9:14 amHey Denis, Mr. Surrender Monkey: No one wants to read your drivel. Go surrender in Lebannon or Spain or somewhere. Go.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:39 amDenis, you might want to up your meds a bit. The day that Strech Pelosi and company was sworn into office marked the countdown to a landslide defeat for the dhimmicrats in 2008.
Keep up the good work, Pat. This site is awesome! I know it’s early but,
May 9th, 2007 at 10:02 am“The Pentagon, he said, is “looking for the direction of events—we don’t have to have it all locked in place and everything complete … If (we) see some very positive progress and it looks like things are heading in the right direction, then that’s the point at which I think we can begin to consider reducing some of those forces.””
And therein is, in my not so humble opinion, the reason why we cannot ‘run’ this effort from a leather chair in DC. I can just see the defeatocrats late at night, writing out their little end the war plans in their daytimers. Life is not a schedule in a daytimer and war is CERTAINLY not.
These ‘people’ are so driven by power that logic has totally escaped them. So does war work like this? “Let’s end the war at 9 a.m. on June 1st, no make that 9:30 I have a nail appointment at 8:30 and I want to make sure they are good and dry before I go to work…”(from Ms. Pelousy’s daytimer)
I’ve learned from the folks on this site that what’s been accomplished in the sandbox is nothing short of miraculous given the time frame. It’s time this started getting pointed out ‘on the street’.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:50 amIt seems like the Demoncrats haven’t read the part of the Constitution that puts command of the Military within the purview of the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch. If Stretch and Dingy Harry want to run the war, they should sack up and run for the Presidency. If not, STFU and send money that our boys need.
GW
May 9th, 2007 at 10:56 amKathy:
930 doesnt work for me do you think we could push it back an hour?
Cheney put it best the other week when he said (not verbatim) that there is one C-in-C not 500 on Capital Hill. Civilians don’t belong running the military just like the military doesn’t belong running the government. Unless the Dems plan on inviting the military into legislative matters, I suggest they stay on their side of the fence.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:06 amOk, so civilians do run the military (Pres, SecDef, SecNav, etc.), but I think the majority knows what I meant. Let the commanders do their job is all I’m saying, which doesn’t include congress dictating strategy (timetables).
May 9th, 2007 at 11:13 amGreg -
The Constitution is such an inconvenience to the d’rats, for them the judicial branch should legislate, the legislative branch should execute and the executive branch should just get their dicks sucked.
The weakening of the separation of powers is very dangerous to the survival of our nation.
Oh and denis your lust for the d’rats to have power for powers sake confirms us you are truly lost, you are a souless meatsack, who is wasting your precious mother earth’s resources, so please join your idiot liberals in the hate of humankind and kill yourself somewhere, hopefully naked, so you can quickly decompose and return to your spiritual mother earth.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:25 amEzRider:
May 9th, 2007 at 11:59 amNothing gets in the way of the manicure, pal.
The President doesn’t want to add to the list of 58,000 that the democrats compiled. Good for him. democrats, you’re not going to get away with it twice.
May 9th, 2007 at 2:57 pmWell if the dems won’t fund the war, I will. What kind of ammo do you need? I’m thinking about setting up a ammunition factory in Texas. Here’s the idea, I start a brand of ammunition that sends a bullet for every bullet bought from the company and I would advertise this. If you buy bullets from this company you’re buying bullets for the Armed Forces. I need a name . . . suggestions? Oh and steadfast I love your version of democrats - dhimmicrats. I only recently learned what dhimmitude is, and no wonder the dhimmicrats want to support the islamofascists - you have to pay tribute to their power. It’s all so damn diabolical Cheers Pat, and keep up the good work!
May 9th, 2007 at 3:55 pmI don’t know about you guys but I’m really tired of Denis taking up OUR bandwidth. He is just an ignorant troll and deserves to be ignored by everyone.
May 9th, 2007 at 4:43 pmIt seems to me that if Congress passes a funding bill that expires in 2 months and will only be extended if “real progress” is seen. Then the Islamists will more than likely take that as a clue and stage a significant attack near the end of the 2 month period that will no doubt be covered by every media outlet with relish. As you posted recently- “Sometimes no comment is needed. So it was of Vietnam when victorious Gen. Giap later remarked that that the American Left was “essential to our strategy.” He elaborated to the Wall Street Journal: “Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9AM to follow the growth of the antiwar movement.”
And Giap added that anti-war activists, “Gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war.”
May 9th, 2007 at 4:53 pmSee below article on yahoo for the latest military officers and generals adding to the democrat war machine including “lifelong” republican, retired general Batiste who say that bush doesnt listen to the troops on the ground in Iraq and appoints officers who go with his line of thinking.
Did it ever occur to these cowards(waiting until retirement to be critical of the president) that some genrals and officers are more confident than they and think of the long term rather than the short term? Is it possible that though they have the ssame training , that different leaders have different opinions and that quite possibly they have always agreed with the express purposes of this war? Wesley clark also chimes in with his cowardly words still smarting from his embarrassing defeat to kerry in the last election. The dhimmocrats had an opportunity to take wesley clark as their presidential candidate and show that they really support the troops but instead opted for a traitor as their Guy. Perhaps clark is seeing that as an example of how to get the democrat nod: sell out your country while at war, and try to suck the life out the troops morale in the process(a big no-no if you are active duty or not)and send a message to our enemies to hang in just a while longer.
Sounds like batiste is sore at losing his position in the rat race. A typical democrat thought process, I will play the game and move up in rank , but if i get screwed I’ll sell out to the highest bidder.
These former officers Know that their words dont hurt an outgoing president much, they are only hurting the men and women they used to serve during the bulk of their careers.
Shameless assholes
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May 9th, 2007 at 4:59 pmSheer Idiot
Denis says
…. Maybe start withrawing by October & do it for 12 months till following Oct & then fund the war only till Oct 2008.
Denis: Get your ass over there and be the last to leave while there are hostilities going on. Shut up and get your sorry clinched ass over there.
So freakin stupid. No clue what he is taklkin bout.
His shit is the kind of direction the troops would get from DC……. and the DC assholes WILL be held responsible for the unwarranted deaths if it ever comes to pass.
If they really cared about the lives of our troops they (Modern Liberals) would fully fund the war and encourage greater increase in equipment so the threat could be neutralized.
If we’re not on offense, we’re on defense. If the dimwitocrats and Denis’ buddies put us on defense they will be the ones with blood on their hands.
May 9th, 2007 at 5:44 pmDenis - “Maybe start withrawing by October & do it for 12 months till following Oct & then fund the war only till Oct 2008.”
Why do you not ever answer any question put to you on here? Why do you say “maybe” instead of “definitely”? Why can’t you commit to anything?
Tell me exactly what starting the withdrawal in October would accomplish. Why not begin troop withdrawals right now instead of in October? You don’t want any more American deaths because of this war, so does that mean all of the deaths up until October are ok?
Please answer the questions. I am asking nicely, but your posts are way past being old.
May 9th, 2007 at 6:24 pmDenis your a brain dead waste of time and space.That comment doesn’t even deserve a response other than, YOUR A FUCKIN “DOUCH BAG” MORON!!
May 9th, 2007 at 6:29 pmIrish Rose writes - BOBBY KENNEDY WAS KILLED BY SIRHAN SIRHAN A PALESTINIAN AND POPE JOHN PAUL WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE KILLED BY ALI MEHMET AGCA A TURKISH MUSLIM. THIS STARTED IN 1968.
Rose, the western world has been dealing with the handiwork of islamic terrorists a lot longer than 1968.
06/28/1914 Archduke Francis Ferdinand heir to the Austria-Hungary throne and his wife are assassinated by a SERBIAN NATIONALIST in Sarejevo. This single event kick starts world war 1. WW1 leads to WW2 which leads to the cold war, Korea, Vietnam etc, etc…
“Serbian Nationalist” translates to Radical Muslim.
Then like now, a few of “them” are able to throw the entire world into turmoil.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:15 pmPat
May 9th, 2007 at 7:38 pmIt would truly be a sad day if what was written 30 years ago were to become true today.
The victorious leader of Al Queda in Iraq ” Abu Imonajihad” stated that “the Democrat party was essential to our strategy”.He elaborated on Al-Jazeera television yesterday
“Every day our leadership would watch CNN and read the NY Times and follow the growth of the Anti-Bush/American movement” “This gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of continued battlefield reverses.We were elated when Harry Reid said that the War was lost….thats when we knew we could win”
Are you fed up?
May 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pmThere is away to counter attack the left, right out of their playbook.
Protest in huge patriotic displays of support for the troops, their mission and the President.
Go to gatheringofeagles.org. Get a list of moonbat events and be there in their face. About 30,000 of us met ANSWER in DC 17 Mar.07 outnumbering them 3 to 1.
Expect 500,000 in DC during Memorial Day Weekend. Makes you feel alot better and it scares the poo out of the pinkos to see patriotism excited.
This republic must not perish from this earth.
EZ Rider - “Ok, so civilians do run the military (Pres, SecDef, SecNav, etc.), but I think the majority knows what I meant. Let the commanders do their job is all I’m saying, which doesn’t include congress dictating strategy (timetables).”
Technically I would say your correct…. however I think it’s safe to say they are part of being in the military, since they are in the chain of command…
As for Congress sticking their nose where it doesn’t belong… that’s exactly why the Constitution separated the power of the branches. I’m no scholar on the Constitution however, I think Constitutionally the President could actually sign these bills, tell Congress to go blow and ignore the timetable provisions and drive on and continue to win this war. Although it might be Politcal Suicide for future conservatives…
May 9th, 2007 at 8:20 pmlick my balls denis
May 9th, 2007 at 11:09 pmhonestly how can the American people expect to fight a war when the enemy knows exactly when you are going to stop fighting.
hmmm….lets think about this….are we going to keep fighting the Americans or just wait till the all pull out and then turn iraq into the biggest shit hole ever? gee i wonder, dumbass. Who do we want in iraq? the democratically elected pro-US government, or the strongest fuck ass terrorist group? seriously what is your iq?
Doc Weldon
Is your post a paraphrase or a quote?
Interested in the source so I can utilize the statement. Thanks
May 10th, 2007 at 4:33 amcdlester2:
true about the chain of command. just wanted to lay down some cover fire to keep some of the lefties from frothing at the mouth.
as far as the telling congress to go blow after signing a bill… that would be grounds for impeachment. however, there is something called a line-item veto that was established in the 90s and used extensively by Clinton. it allowed presidents the opp to literally line out parts of a bill they didnt like. unfortunately, it was found to be unconstitutional. and to think we were only 1 step away from getting rid of congress….
May 10th, 2007 at 11:06 am