Dragonskin Gets Another Shot
Story Claiming Dragonskin, And Other Vendors, Will Be Subject To New Tests Under New Contract
The Army tests on Dragon Skin, conducted May 16-19, 2006, at H.P. White labs near Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Md., subjected Pinnacle’s unique armor design against the same test protocols the Army uses to test its Enhanced Small Arms Protective Inserts and Enhanced Side Ballistic Inserts, Karl Masters, PEO Soldier’s chief engineer for body armor, said.
The vests were exposed to temperatures ranging from minus 60 degrees to 160 degrees Fahrenheit, and were immersed in diesel fuel, oil and salt water for extended periods of time. After each of these exposures, testers shot the vests with armor-piercing ammunition, the most lethal small arms threat on the battlefield.
Four out the eight vests tested failed after suffering 13 first or second shot complete penetrations with 7.62mm x 63mm APM2 Armor Piercing ammunition, Masters said.
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Rebuttal courtesy TJL
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Retired four-star Army Gen. Wayne Downing, now an NBC news analyst, is quoted in the report saying, “What we saw today … and again, it’s a limited number of trials, Dragon Skin was significantly better.”
And I’m to believe a retired General who is working for the network that has published this,and I guess supports it?
June 6th, 2007 at 5:43 pmI don’t know anyone who is all fired up about Dragon Skin. There’s been too many failures to say that it is good enough for the military at this point. And I don’t put much stock in retired generals these days. I prefer to listen to the field testers and the commanders in charge of field testing. The civilian military testers know their stuff as well. But talking heads….I don’t think so….
June 6th, 2007 at 6:21 pmDo they come with air conditioners? If I can tell a little war story. Because of the heat I had a tough time carrying all my shit and wear a flak jacket. It was basically a fuck it the first seven months. The Marines were chasing them out of DaNang and we were going to catch them as they were running through the ’suburbs’. We dropped our gear to sweep through an area. Someone, I don’t know who, said, ‘put this on’. I did. Five minutes later we got pinned down in, thank God, a cemetery. Nice stones to get behind. Some bastard fired an RPG at me and it landed right behind me. Now, it wasn’t big chunks of schrapnel but I did not get a Purple Heart that day because I had a flak jacket on.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:30 pmTry testing Dragon skin with angled shots.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:56 pmhttp://www.defensetech.org/archives/003506.html
June 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pmIsn’t it 50% heavier than GI issue?
How good would current issue armor be if made 50% thicker?
June 6th, 2007 at 7:34 pmRandom,
“Try testing Dragon skin with angled shots.”
True, if all the plates overlap from top to botton for all layers of the armor then a shot from the ground to someone, say, on top of a building would find a pentration underneath the plates. The only exception would be if the layer patterns criss crossed. One layer goes top to bottom the other goes bottom to top.
We are assuming that all the shots are going to be at ground level.
June 6th, 2007 at 9:00 pmAlso don’t forget the new and upcomming liquid armor material.
http://tinyurl.com/mdtzf
June 6th, 2007 at 9:03 pmNote near the very end of the NBC report, the colonel doing the testing goes to work for…ta da! Interceptor.
Man, I’d like to see these fucks that tamper with the procurement process for personal gain taken out and shot, I really would.
On the other hand, it’s important to note that, in the two vids where Dragonskin does real well, I don’t think they ever used .30-06, (7.62X63), which is the round it failed under in the military tests.
On the third hand…that grenade test speaks for itself, doesn’t it?
June 7th, 2007 at 1:09 amfuck NBC any shit from them, I will accept the military recommendation. I will trust them over the opinion of people that will profit greatly if this is procured, also over a network that is very biased against anything our military achieves.
We all want our service people to get the best in equipment, so it is easy to let emotions guide opinions.
emotions guiding opinions… sounds like a liberal basis of logic
the moral authority of the networks :
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n12_v45/ai_13952942
when is cronkite going to hell? i want to piss on his grave
June 7th, 2007 at 3:32 ami say old corps girls, “Come on, you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?”-Sergeant Major Daniel Joseph “Dan” Daly
the nbc and future weapons peace totaly ignored the operating range of temp. BRIGADIER GENERAL(O-7)[ONE BIG FOOKING STAR]MARK BROWN QUOTED
so nbc thinks the army should indorse products it has not tested
June 7th, 2007 at 6:32 amGreat to see if the liquid armor promiss comes through.. Seen an artcle in Popluar Mechanics last year that also addresses armoured joint protection as well. That and something that protects the hands like my hockey gloves would be a dream come true!
June 7th, 2007 at 10:55 amI don’t know anything about the Armor and i beleive the military would have the inlisted’s best interest at the top of their considerations.
June 7th, 2007 at 11:37 amI also know NBC has a history of fixing their tests to swing opinion to an agenda they are pushing. All you have to do is look at this link
www.walterolson.com/articles/wpexperts.html
the military is notrious when it comes to incompetence in purchasing just like the rest of the government. what strikes about this is that the designer of interceptor endorses dragon skin, however, when the media immediately says that the designer if in no way connected to dragonskin, then i assume it is probably the opposite. if fox came out with this story i would be more inclined to believe it, because people at fox tend to be more patriotic and less biased against bush and the miltary. The article given by tjl talks about extreme temperature failures, which is important, and the weight of the vest is also important when under such extreem conditions the soldiers is also slowed down tremendously.
I know many soldiers who like football players prefer to be un “protected” in order to move more freely, which in itself can be more “protective”. to each his own, but i suggest they sell the armor to the terrorists and see what they think? no doubt if this group is allying itself with NBC they probably have connections with al zawiri.
also that infomercial itself does like other infomercials sell the product well but doesnt always tell you the whole truth.
be skeptical!
June 11th, 2007 at 6:30 am