Dems To Offer Bill Micromanaging What Troops Can And Can’t Do
Congressmen In Chief?
WASHINGTON (AP) - A day before President Bush’s war address, Senate Democrats rejected a four-star general’s recommendation to keep some 130,000 troops in Iraq through next summer and sought legislation that would limit the mission of U.S. forces.
Their proposal was not expected to set a deadline to end the war, as many Democrats want, but restrict troops to narrow objectives: training Iraq’s military and police, protecting U.S. assets and fighting terrorists, Democratic party officials told The Associated Press.
The goal is to attract enough Republicans to break the 60-vote threshold in the Senate needed to end a filibuster. Democrats have proved unable to do that since they took control of Congress eight months ago.
“I call on the Senate Republicans to not walk lockstep as they have with the president for years in this war,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said at a news conference. “It’s time to change. It’s the president’s war. At this point it also appears clear it’s also the Senate Republicans’ war.”
Democrats struggled to regain momentum in the war debate after two days of testimony by Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan Crocker.
Petraeus said the 30,000 troop buildup begun this year had yielded some gains and needed more time. He recommended slowly reversing the buildup, drawing down about 5,500 soldiers and Marines by year’s end and aiming for a force of 130,000 next summer.
Reid and other Democrats said that proposal does not go far enough.
“It creates and provides an illusion of change in an effort to take the wind out of the sails of those of us who want to truly change course in Iraq,” said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Armed Services Committee.
In a bold challenge to Petraeus’ assessment, Reid said the “situation on the ground in Iraq has not changed at all.” He later acknowledged gains in Anbar province, “but it’s like the big balloon that you push on one side and it comes out someplace else.”
Petraeus’ assessment inflamed Democrats, but assuaged many Republicans. It did lead to tough questions from several Republican skeptics, including Sens. John Warner of Virginia and Susan Collins of Maine, but most GOP lawmakers said they were reluctant to impose a firm timetable.
Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., seen as another potential swing vote, said he was working with Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., on legislation that would put Petraeus’ recommendations into law.
Absent a new political climate, Democrats are in a tough position: They can continue to insist on a hardline position and fail, letting weeks go by without passing anti-war legislation, or they soften their stance.
At issue in talks among Reid and Senate Democrats was how far they should go in forcing a new mission for troops without losing support from various political sides, according to congressional aides familiar with the meeting in Reid’s office.
Petraeus, in testimony this week, argued against shifting troops from their current mission of securing the population and counterterrorism to one focused strictly on counterterror and training the Iraqi security forces.
“Making that change now would, in our view, be premature,” he said. “We have learned before that there is a real danger in handing over tasks to the Iraqi Security Forces before their capacity and local conditions warrant.”
If the legislation were nonbinding and only urged Bush to refocus the mission, the bill could lose support from more liberal Democrats such as Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., John Kerry, D-Mass., and Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.
On the contrary, if the bill ordered the mission changed by a certain date, it might turn off Warner, Collins, Coleman and other GOP moderates.
Reid declined to discuss details, saying only that Democrats would offer four to six amendments “to change the course of the war” when the Senate takes up a defense bill next week. One probably would come from Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., requiring that troops spend as much time home as they do in combat.
Among the Republicans working with Reid and Levin are Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Gordon Smith, R-Ore.; both long ago turned against the war.
Bush planned a 15-minute address from the White House at 9 p.m. EDT Thursday to endorse Petraeus’ recommendations, according to administration officials. The White House planned to release a written status report Friday on the troop buildup, they said. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Bush’s speech was not yet final.
While mirroring Petraeus’ strategy, Bush will place more conditions on reductions than his general did, insisting that conditions on the ground must warrant cuts and unforeseen events could change the plan.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that stabilizing Iraq included “the territorial security of Iraq” with respect to its Mideast neighbors, especially Iran.
“Iran is a very troublesome neighbor,” she said on NBC’s “Today” show. “Iran is prepared to fill the vacuum” if the United States leaves Iraq.
In a joint press conference with Crocker on Wednesday, Petraeus said Iranians appear to be trying to create a like Hezbollah-like organization in Iraq that they could use to gain influence inside Iraq.
On Friday, the president intends to go to a Marine base in Quantico, Va., outside Washington, to talk about his Iraq policy, the White House announced.
Vice President Dick Cheney plans to speak about Iraq on Friday at appearances at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum in Grand Rapids, Mich., and at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida.
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Often the DemCong try comparing Iraq to Vietnam. “This is a quagmire, Iraq is Vietnam,” they screel. Well, DemCong, not it is (almost) because you’re trying to foul it as you did the years following ‘68.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:46 pmthese people are morons and dangerous. God help this country if they get complete control. i think that would be enough cause for a revolution or this country is done.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pmTroops are Winning in Iraq?? Lets waste more time on a bill that has absolutely nothing to do with anything and watch President Bush VETO it. That might buy us some time until the next BIG Al Quada attack on civilians in Iraq.
Way to go again assholes.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pmoh, goodie … The dems have officially decided to run our troops just like the U.N. would … into the ground.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmSounds like they don’t understand the concept “Commander in Chief”.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI’m laughing at the Domocong (good name CL) spinmeisters. They’ve lost the battle. There is not enough votes to do shit and this ain’t 1975. I’m laughing at them.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmSoros has bought the D’rats, lock, stock and vaseline jar, who never had much in the way of common sense anyway.
The lying,disrespectful corksuckers are not in charge and it drives them crazier. With the puppetmaster jerking their leash and media begging for a disaster in Iraq they are scrambling for a way to lose this war.
I want Reid’s head on a pike. I want Soros gutted. I want Hilebeast to murder her husband and go to the gas chamber for the “crime”! I want my country back.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:31 pmHey Clyde, I think you’re holding something back. Why don’t you tell us all how you really feel
September 12th, 2007 at 6:33 pm1 shot,, ur right,,, clyde seems to have trouble expressing himself as to his true feelings,, i don’t think he likes them folks…
September 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmThey’re not military experts! They really should just let the troops do their jobs because they’re totally getting it done!
September 12th, 2007 at 7:09 pmDan, It’s a good day and I too am laughing, We’ve got a Prez that wont budge and a General with respect and a plan. Have a
or two and read this.
September 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296590,00.html
*Funny Caption*
“…I’m not shitting you guys, when Soros says ‘balls deep’, it was like this far…”
September 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pm“Their proposal was not expected to set a deadline to end the war, as many Democrats want, but restrict troops to narrow objectives: training Iraq’s military and police, protecting U.S. assets and fighting terrorists”
[sarcasm]As you can see, it will be completly different to what they are doing now.[/sarcasm]
September 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmWhy aren’t these idiots in guantanamo with their comrades.
When I see Reid standing there with all of his butt buddies it becomes clear that a good politician is a dead politician.
Hey NV Sailor I thought Reid was showing how much more balls Hilary than he did.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:19 pm*adjustment to funny quote*
“…I’m not shitting you guys, when Soros told Hillery to go ‘balls deep’ on me, it was like this far…”
Thanks boombop, I want to make certain that this is as accurate a quote as possible.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:13 pm