Anti-Christian Spirit Lurks In The Halls Of Congress
From FoxNews.com:
WASHINGTON — One Republican House lawmaker is taking offense at nine Democrats for what he said should have been a no-brainer: recognizing the importance of Christians and Christmas.
In the end, the House on Tuesday supported Rep. Steve King’s resolution to recognize “the Christian faith as one of the great religions of the world” and acknowledge “the international religious and historical importance of Christmas and the Christian faith.”
But King, of Iowa, is upset that not everyone voted for his bill two weeks before an estimated 225 million Americans celebrate the Christian holiday even though the vote by usual standards would be a solid margin. The measure passed by a 372-9 vote, with 10 recording a neutral “present” vote and 40 members not voting.
When Congress had opportunities to vote on Islam and Ramadan…
The House voted Oct. 2 on a resolution that “recognizes the Islamic faith as one of the great religions of the world” and “acknowledges the onset of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting and spiritual renewal, and conveys its respect to Muslims,” as well as commending those who reject hatred.
That measure passed 376-0, with 42 lawmakers voting “present,” and 14 not voting.
and Indian Diwali…
And on Oct. 29, the House voted to recognize the Indian celebration of Diwali, in which members of the Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist and Jain religions participate. The resolution said the House, “in order to demonstrate support for Indian Americans and the Indian Diaspora throughout the world, recognizes Diwali as an important festival.”
That measure passed on a 358-0 vote, with 8 “present” votes and 66 members not voting.
Below is how they voted on Christianity and Christmas. I didn’t include those who voted “For” it as that list was long, so if you don’t see your lawmaker’s name below, then they voted “For”:
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 1143
(Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)
H RES 847 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 11-Dec-2007 7:02 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree, as Amended
BILL TITLE: Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith.
Yeas Nays PRES NV
Democratic 195 9 9 19
Republican 177 0 1 21
Independent
TOTALS 372 9 10 40
—- YEAS 372 —
—- NAYS 9 —
Ackerman
Clarke
DeGette
Hastings (FL)
Lee
McDermott
Scott (VA)
Stark
Woolsey
—- ANSWERED “PRESENT” 10 —
Conyers
Frank (MA)
Holt
Payne
Pence
Schakowsky
Schwartz
Wasserman Schultz
Welch (VT)
Yarmuth
—- NOT VOTING 40 —
Alexander
Boswell
Brown, Corrine
Buyer
Carson
Cleaver
Cubin
Davis (IL)
DeLauro
Dicks
Everett
Ferguson
Graves
Hooley
Hunter
Jindal
Johnson (IL)
Kind
King (IA)
Lantos
Lofgren, Zoe
Lucas
Marchant
Matheson
McHugh
McKeon
Miller (FL)
Miller, Gary
Moore (WI)
Murtha
Paul
Pryce (OH)
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Salazar
Sessions
Tancredo
Wexler
Wynn
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The persecution has already started.
December 12th, 2007 at 12:11 pmWho cares? They should be working on spending bills, not formally reconizing religions. This kind of BS is why this is the worst congress in years, do something productive retards.
December 12th, 2007 at 12:26 pmOK, what I really want to know is why is there a need to *recognize* Christianity at a legislative level? Are you guys feeling that under appreciated?
Do you guys forget that not everyone in the United States of America is a Christian… and we non-Christians have fought just as hard and sacrificed just as much as you guys? Folks like to scream persecution whenever someone says anything against ANY religion. Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and *all* the rest. Most (except the Muslims) just don’t scream as loud. I happen to be one of the above and I get tired of hearing about how persecuted the most powerful and populous religion on the planet is.
What about all of the poor bastards that aren’t religious at all? One of my best friends in an unapologetic-atheist. He keeps his disbelief to himself and doesn’t bother anyone unless he feels that someone is proselytizing too “in his face” and when he tells people to back off, he doesn’t believe the same things as they do; he doesn’t believe in God at all… he is more vilified and hated than gays are. That has to suck pretty bad.
JTS is right, our elected representatives have more important things to worry about than ANY religious issues at a legislative level.
December 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pmIt is important to know what Washington is doing (or not doing) . . . instead of funding our troops and attacking crime in this country, they are chipping away at our foundation. How can some not deem Christianity worthy of acknowledgement in this country . . . in America! That is, at the same time where they praised other “great religions of the world” . . . it is a blatant slap in the face by 9 congressmen and the others who didn’t bother to vote or show-up.
It is important to see what is (or is not) going on in Washington — they are undermining this geat nation founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. They are disrespecting Christians.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:14 pmI just think they shouldn’t be rcognizing ANY religions, not just christianity. It’s like race, it shouldn’t be an issue at all.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:23 pmCongress needs to run the country, not give in to making everyone feel special and loved. If you are truly devout in your beliefs, who gives two shits what Pelosi or anyone else thinks of your religion.
Stop concentrating on everyone’s differences, and just work on funding the troops, leave morality to parents and courts.
Best thing I have read all day on this subject:
What the hell happened to the precept of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?
I don’t want any damned politician ruling diddly squat about Christmas OR Ramadan — NONE OF THE STATE’S DAMNED BUSINESS EITHER WAY.
THIS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED INTO LEGISLATION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
And man are my elected about to get their ears blistered for PERMITTING THE INTRUSION OF THE STATE INTO RELIGIOUS ISSUES.
PERIOD.
NONE OF WASHINGTON”S BLINKING STUPID NOSY NOODNIK BUSINESS — the Muslim religion, the Christian religion, the Buddhist, atheist, etc. ARE NOT THE BUSINESS OF POLITICIANS PERIOD.
And they can all of them go jump into the river of hell itself for thinking they CAN LEGISLATE RELIGIOUS ISSUES.
I will NOT return to the horrors when the State MANDATED religious beliefs and practices, causing one war of religion after another.
WHERE THE HELL ARE THESE FOOLS’ BRAINS THAT THEY WOULD EVEN CONSIDER VOTING ON SUCH A THING?
December 12th, 2007 at 5:01 pmI disagree!
The fact remains that Christians and Christianity are under attack because those who wish to have it removed know that they will not suffer any sort of retaliation. Just as the story that Bash put up on Larry O’Donnel titled “The Dangerous Cowardice of the Mainstream Media” where the outspoken liberal admitted he openly focused on religions that would not do him harm as opposed to Islam, which actually deserves some criticism for their lack of self restraint in their vitriol hatred of non-believers.
If you don’t practice Christianity that’s fine, but NEVER forget that Christianity is the bedrock in which this great nation was built, and such a proclamation is warranted given the current climate!
And I’m sorry LftBhndAgn, but your comment about the “SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE” only demonstrates the complete and utter lack of understanding perpetuated by the phrase and the application there of.
December 12th, 2007 at 7:34 pmThe resason christianity is ignored or vilified is simple: “familiarity breeds contempt” the congress know jack sh** about islam except that Muslims are extremely sensitive to words so they kiss their assess on october 2nd. they similarly know shit about other religions, but they know they are not so sensitive so they say nice things about those religions as well. As for christianity, historically pissing on our christian foundations has gone unanswered for the most part, we accept such blashphemy as a part of being a christian as jesus state” they hated me, they will hate you”.
the entire episode makes perfect sense to me, but i also see that we shouldnt have bothered with any of these propositions in the first place, because for one, I have no respect for the Islamic faith. Why because I have read the quran and read their history. Congress have proven more and more how out of touch with reality they are.
December 12th, 2007 at 8:03 pmJTS, Kufir Ken, Lftbhndagn,
You folks are just plain wrong. You need to study US history again, carefully. While the Constitution is generally a secular instrument, the Founders assumed a moral base of Judeo-Christian values and never intended the so called, ’separation of church and state’ to preclude or deny the exsistence of a moral absolute. In fact, they postulated that if the US ever lost its Judeo-Christian basis, it would languish and eventually die. Evidently, they were correct in that assumption.
December 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmI never made a claim about right or wrong, just about the Congress having better ways to spend its time and our tax dollars … right or wrong isn’t for me to decide… but since you brought history up:
http://nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
Christianity will *never* go away in the United States. That is just a fact. There are too many practitioners in places of power and there is plenty of money in the populace to fund any sort of counter to any major legal attack on the religion… not to mention it, if it came down to it, Christians would take to the street with guns (as I suspect would any religious group that feels they are being destroyed by another - oh wait, that is already happening everyday, all over the world) … so back to my other original point, Christianity is NOT being persecuted. Christians would never stand for it… but then again, neither is Islam, or Judaism, or Buddhism, or Hinduism, or Sufism, or Catholicism, (unless you count all of those religions being persecuted by Islam, but that is another discussion - headless schoolchildren or monks anyone?).
If religion was removed completely from the public square (specifically Government and legislation) then there wouldn’t need to be any worry about this religion or that religion being legislated in or out of favor by some other group. (and I’m religious!)
But, since that will also never happen for fear of our “foundations” being eroded by “Christian-haters” I don’t see the point of arguing over it. So a few Congresspeople didn’t vote.. get over it. It still passed with just about the same spread as all of the other religious measures that shouldn’t have been on the table anyway… and it did better than the Indian measure… you’re still a winner!
Everyone is afraid of being labeled as an Islamophobe so of course they are going to quiver in fear before any Islam related legislation… and c’mon, how many billions of people are Muslims now? Shouldn’t they get a day off or something? Christianity still has the market cornered on real estate, calendar holidays, and time off from work anyway. Christianity is already recognized as one of the world’s great religions… just look around! Is Christianity afraid of sharing the spotlight?
The real question is why do the people on Capitol Hill feel a need to point out how great one religion is over another? Love thy neighbor and worship on your own time, not during our tax-funded working hours.
Either that, or give up our tax funded salary and send all of that money to the troops overseas… they could use it more effectively to kill real persecutors.
The loss of the “Judeo-Christian basis” won’t happen. Just as Christianity flourished in secret in the early days, it will continue to flourish in our society and will *never* need to go back underground. I know that Christianity was a part of the beginning of our country… my 11th great-grandfather came over on the Mayflower… fleeing religious persecution.
The measure **passed** what is the problem?
December 12th, 2007 at 10:16 pmWhenever we discuss issues relating Christianity we need to take one thing into careful consideration: Jesus Christ is The Son of the Living and True God, and at this very moment He is seated on the throne next to His Father, ruling sovereignly ruling over the entire universe with His omnipotent power.
Secondly we need to remind ourselves that we live in a fallen world where it is written that: Satan is the “ruler” of this world, and the systems of this world are under his power and totally corrupt.
Thirdly we need to remind ourselves that we are living in the last age where it is written that: Many anti-christs are in the world, and the spirit of anti-christ is at work.
That being said we can take comfort in the fact that Jesus Christ holds the keys to death and hell, and all authority has been giving to Him, and that He has also overcome the world and we can take courage in that.
It is written that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, and that nobody who has done so will be disappointed or put to shame.
So rejoice!
December 13th, 2007 at 3:53 amWhile some might argue that Congress should spend their time on other issues, it is good to reassert America’s Christian heritage. Especially in modern times. As atheists, and secularists claim this Nation was not founded on Judeo-Christian principles they seek to chip away at the fundamental values upon which our Nation was founded. Some, to support their secular claim, point to the ‘Tripoli Treaty’ of 1797. This treaty, ratified by then President Adams, when carefully read, was a peace treaty with a Muslim Nation (Tripoli). In it, the Congress emphasised the secular nature of the Constitution, and stated that the government of the US was not based on Christian values. In the context of the treaty this was a diplomatic gesture to a Muslim Nation who would never have entered into the treaty otherwise (to them Christians were Infidels, much like today). It was nothing more than a brilliant diplomatic maneuver. To use this as a basis to assert this Nation was formed without a Christian foundation is nothing less than a streatch of the imagination. To make this assertion flies in the face of an overwhelming preponderence of evidence to the contrary, including ignoring the Declaration of Independence, the Congressional history of opening prayers, the official record of the Supreme Court of the United States, and innumerable correspondence, letters, notes, etc. of the Framers of the Constitution, and others involved with government at the time. While not all involved were Christian, they all ascribed to the basic Judeo-Christian principles, and built this Nation upon them, to suggest otherwise is simply sophmoric. Kudos, to the House!
Bash, great pics of Washington praying at Valley Forge, and the Continentals in prayer during the (Constitutional)Congress!
December 13th, 2007 at 8:48 pmThe Democrat leadership blocked a vote on recognizing JEWS.
And the Republicans failed to force that one thru.
Congress is to afraid of CAIR to recognize the JEWS.
Stupid Bigots ..
December 14th, 2007 at 8:52 am