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This immediately put me in mind of a scene from the movie “Grand Canyon” … Simon, (black) tow truck driver has come to the “inner city” neighborhood to rescue a (white) Mack whose car has broken down … and finds a gang of thugs (w/gun) harassing Mack:

Simon: I’ve gotta ask you for a favor. Let me go my way here. This truck’s my responsibility, and now that the car’s hooked up to it, it’s my responsibility too.

Rocstar: Do you think I’m stupid? Just answer that question first.

Simon: Look, I don’t know nothing about you; you don’t know nothing about me. I don’t know if you’re stupid, or some kind of genius. All I know is that I need to get out of here, and you got the gun. So I’m asking you, for the second time, let me go my way here.

Rocstar: I’m gonna grant you that favor, and I’m gonna expect you to remember it if we ever meet again. But tell me this, are you asking me as a sign of respect, or are you asking because I’ve got the gun?

Simon: Man, the world ain’t supposed to work like this. I mean, maybe you don’t know that yet. I’m supposed to be able to do my job without having to ask you if I can. That dude is supposed to be able to wait with his car without you ripping him off. Everything is supposed to be different than it is.

Rocstar: So what’s your answer?

Simon: You ain’t got the gun, we ain’t having this conversation.

Rocstar: That’s what I thought: no gun, no respect. That’s why I always got the gun.

Here’s a great overview of how Islam works:

http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/10/terrifying-brilliance-of-islamic.html

Tribalism is not at the heart of the phychosis that is Islamo-facism. To get at the heart of the matter you need to delve deeper. At the heart of jihadi supremacy and impealism is the Koran. The Koran is the ethos, the pathos, the mantra, the threat, and the social order of Islam.

You want to change these people’s minds and break the stanglehold that is jihadism? Then get inside the mosques and change the message.

Like it or not it’s the Koran stupid, not tribalism.

No it isn’t. Imperialism is “The policy of extending a nation’s authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony.”

Tribalism is a close definition of jihadism, But isn’t close enough in my view, because the Koran, the Sharia, the Sunna, and the Sira trancend any tribal loyalties. The Koran is the social, political and military order in Islamic societies irrespective of rank, position or power.

Change the message and you’ll beat the Jihadis. I’ll give a few more suggestions as to how to do that:

How about combating jihadism with this simple five-point plan:

1. Exhort Muslims in the West to focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
2. Call upon Muslims in the West to renounce definitively not just “terrorism,” but any manifestation of Islamic supremacism, including any intention to replace the U.S. Constitution (or the constitutions of any non-Muslim state) with Sharia even by peaceful means.
3. Teach Muslims the imperative of coexisting peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis.
4. Call upon Muslims to begin comprehensive international programs in mosques all over the world to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism.
5. Call upon them to work actively with Western law enforcement officials to identify and apprehend jihadists within Western Muslim communities.

And I’ll repeat myself once more: Tribalism is just another multicultural version of aparteid that westerners use to excuse bad behaviors by groups.

That’s my thesis.

In WWII we had a similar problem with the Nazis and the Japanese. So we killed their soldiers and burned their cities to the ground. After the war we re-programmed their society and their kids with a different message.

We also had 16 million troops to do that mission.

Today we have maybe 2.5 mil. Not enough to do the job. And what president or Congress will declare and receive the green light for total war that FDR got?

And how many enemy troops did we face in WWII. 20 mil maybe?

The Islamic world has something like 1.2 billion adherents. Of that number about 30% are hard-core jihadis. 30% are sympathetic to the point that they give money and could be pursuaded to join the jihad under the right conditions.

The other 30% - 40% either live in the west or are trying to avoid the jihadis altogether.

How do we then propose to destroy 300 million of our enemies? And then convince another 300 million to stop supporting the jihad since no western power has the moxy to declare all-out war on them, like they have on us?

We have Defeated AQ on the battlefields that we chose to fight in. But long-term we need to counter the jihadi phychosis with a different message and mindset.

Getting inside the minds of Arabs is the way to win. But until that barbarian jihadi mentality is addressed through re-education and a moderated message preached in the mosques, we will face this same problem 100 years from now.

The other part of the equasion is getting off of Saudi oil. The only reason the jihadis are able to exist in such numbers and buy so many weapons is because the Salifist message is being spread through Saudi mosques finaced with oil revenues. The west is financing their own destruction.

Look how many centuries these fucktards have been waging jihad against the non-Muslim world? Ever since the 7th Century. And we’re now in the third great Jihad?

It’s the Koran that drives the Muslim. Change it and we will conquer them. And then we can play all those tolerance games and graft them into our society. But not until then.

And we ain’t killing them in big enough numbers. 20 or 30 thousand jihadis down and 270 million more to go.

Iraq is just one AO and it represents a miniscule portion of the Islamic world. We need to make a difference not only in Iraq and Afghanistan but also in Europe, Asia, Russia and wherever else Islam exists in order to win the GWOT.

I choose to see the Global problem, rather than just the singular issue of Iraq.

Tribalism isn’t the Gordian Knot of Islam. Good article, but I respectfully disagree.

You gave me an idea. We have three choices to combat jihadi phychosis:

1. All-out war ala-WWII. Perhaps after 300 million crazoids have died, the other 70% will wise up like the Japanese did?

2. Change the message in the mosques using points 1 -5 above, weaning ourselves off of Saudi oil and setting up a VOA/Radio Marti counter-broadcast campaign in the ME called Radio Islam: The voice of Reason and Modernity using points 1 -5 above. We should further dismiss and ignor any leader, radio personality, TV personality as an ignorant dolt who claims that Islam is the Religion of Peace and follow/study with….only those who claim otherwise and can back up said claims with facts…such as being able to quote the Qur’an itself in an argument. Also, we should drop all the multicultural, tolerance jive. Tolerance works for westerners who aren’t insane like muzzies are. We lock insane people up in institutions. We give them electro-shock and drugs to cure them. If they really go off the deep end, and turn into homicidal manuiacs we kill them.

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3. Continue our collective western “ostrich” mentality and continue to not study/learn the threat of Islamo-nazism in depth, play more word games, give up and become Dhimis.
OBL has made it clear, submit, accept Dhimi status or die. Those are the only choices he gives the West to achieve peace.

I’m fond of points 1 & 2. Point three is unacceptable. Live free or Die.

The Gordian Knot lies between points 1 & 2. Tribalism is a dodge away from the real Truth about Muhammed and his merry band of fellow phychotics.

If a Christian minister were to advocate the overthrow of a state. stockpile weapons in his church, and encourage his minions to blow up people and government buildings,,,,would be arrested and shutdown in a heartbeat.

Why is that standard not also applied to radical mosques?
It’s that idiot tolerance ostrich mentality that the Wst has. If the West looses that Westaphobic mentality and that insane tolerance of the intollerant attitude of theirs, we could dump, imprison or execute every radical Muslim sociopath in the West.

Some of the wheat: Walid Phares, Ibn Warraq, Aiyan Hirsi Ali, Salim Mansur, Tashbih Sayyed, Wafa Sultan, and Nonie Darwish, Ephraim Karsh, and there are many more.

Unfortunately, the good wheat is the minority. And many in this minority are too afraid to speak out.

But the reformers message does resonate in the ME. The problem is that there is no mechanism to reach the scared, the lost and the stupid in Islam outside of the Internet.

These people need a VOA (Voice of Arabia) station unhindered by the politically correct dipshits at State in order to get their reformist message to the Islamic World sans any input from the sociopaths in Saudi.