just one question… anyone know what the purpose of the cloth over the head is? does that keep the person from drowning? or is is so they can’t see whats going on so their mind goes nuts?

Personally, I think waterboarding goes way too easy on these shitheads.

If I were in Bush’s position, I would hold a press conference and submit to water boarding. Likewise, I would tell the world that we do not condone interrogation techniques that I would not endure myself. It doesn’t matter if this is true or not, only that the world believes it.

All the Dems and lefties and aclu types would look like such pussies if Bush went on TV and did that. That would be the end of the debate.

There are times when the intense graphic torture of suspected deviants, masquerading as so-called freedom fighters, who are no more than vicious terrorists,seeking the murder of as many innocent people as possible, must be performed to extract, life saving, important information from them.

Water Boarding is one of the least of the methods that I would employ in the extraction of said information.

In fact: I volunteer to perform such interogations and examinations and would do so with some glee.

This discussion ought also revolve around the treatment of American POW’s past by: The Japanese, Germans, North Koreans, Vietnamese, Soviets, Iranians, Iraqis, Somolese, and various other malformants who have held our military personel captive throughout scirmishes, conflicts, and wars past.

Moral ground - smoral ground, war is war, you be-head our soldiers, sailors, airmen, or marines and we be-head a thousand of yours. You bomb our innocent women and children and we bomb ten thousand of yours. It is time to finish this war with pure victory and if torture assist in that goal then utilize it as the war-time tool that it is.

Instead of water, pig urine is to be used when questioning jihadis.

Am I suggesting that we drill holes into they’re kneecaps or charge up a car battery to their balls? No I am not.

But if I know that some a-hole has a bombed or knows about one and I need him to talk - all bets are off my friend. And I suggest that those interrogations be kept quiet - Remember Col. West, his use of a sidearm (no one was shot) helped stop an ambush and saved his troops lives - he got a Article 15 non-judicial punishment and a $5,000 fine. Best money he ever spent.

In defense of my life or my families or my fellow soldiers or my country, I’ll exchanged my higher morals for they’re lives, 24/7 - 365 - it’s not even a close call.

Interrogators are trained and supervised. They go thru it themselves in training for Christ’s sake! The whole time, medical personnel are standing by, a chain of command is observing with authorization to halt proceedings if the rules are broken. They were video taped for others to analyse for proceedural errors and violations, as well as for ‘lessons learned’ to make the process more effective.

Three scumbags were boarded so far this century. It was carried out on the highest authority, INCULDING demo-rats in our Congress who knew full well exactly what was being done.

Not a single lieing lib has authored a bill in Congress to specifically and Constitutionaly deem it illegal. Why? Because it is EFFECTIVE and HAS SAVED AMERICAN LIVES.

Waterboarding is not torture. It’s intimidation.

I’d do whatever it takes to get them to talk.

There is nothing, NOTHING, I would not do to these creatures. If that damns my soul, so be it.

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waterboarding is sissy stuff compared to what they do to their captives.

Waterboarding may be torture (than swirlies are of course), but who really gives a shit whether it is.

I say… I’m for it, and we should use it more. Not that tough of a desision.

I firmly believe that we should base our interrogation techniques should resemble what our enemies do to our troops.

We should take the low level shitheads and saw their heads off while the HVT’s and the video cameras watch. Then get it out on Al Jazera!

Does anyone remember the terrorist torture handbook that was found in Iraq, I saw it here.

It may be scary, but it is not torture.

What the terrorist do to their prisoners is torture.

Like most everyone else said, no permanent damage.

And like Irish Gal said, who really gives a shit.

My only problem is we have pukes in this country(like the bitch Harry Reid, and I could go on)that think we have to make all this public. There’s no doubt that by now the jihadis are waterboarding their foot soldiers as part of basic training, making the technique obsolete or at least less effective.

Now we have to go to tasers or Black and Decker and we really didn’t want to. Think about the savings in fossil fuel, greenhouse gases, and CO2 emissions we get with waterboarding.

Cpl. Alexander
USMC Camp Lonestar, Iraq 2003

John C, no disrespect but I don’t think we are talking about legal combatants. As much as the Nazi’s were assholes, they were recognized legal combatants. In two well known cases it worked - period. And many lives were spared.

No, I don’t think it’s torture; no physical damage is done. These “do-gooders” should see what recruits have to endure at boot camp, I’d say the raw recruits have it a lot tougher.

I AM ALL FOR IT!

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These are heading to Iraq, if not there already. Yet these systems cause a person to have a ‘feeling’ of being burned. I watched this used on a live person on Future Weapons and the guy they turned it on had a very severe and immediate reaction to the system. So, water = bad, fire = good? Felling like drowning = bad, feeling like burning = A-OK! Hypocrites.

If these systems and techniques can gather life saving intel while doing nothing that causes true physical harm it should be in play. Period. There is very little we can do about the propoganda being spread in these countries, especially when most of it is being driven by poloitical opponents and our own media that is invested in certain political agendas, but as long as we can here, at home, hold our heads up and say that we KNOW we aren’t using torture as we define it, then I think we are fine. At the end of the day, we have to look ourselves in the mirror.

Having said that, listening to GWB talk off the cuff IS torture but not as much as having to listen to Hildebeast give a state-of-the-union address for the next 4 to 8 years. Heaven forbid.

Whatever it takes to get these unlawful combatants, who are not signatores to the Geneva Conventions, to spill their guts before we execute them for crimes against humanity. I say kill them all and let The Force sort them out.

The more hurt feelings the better

The Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe treated their prisoners humanely. We returned the favor. The SS, on the other hand, was well known for abusing or murdering prisoners. They had a hard time surrendering. Many who managed not to be shot on the spot were later executed for war crimes. Sabotuers who wore US uniforms, most famously and to best effect in the Battle of the Bulge, were executed.

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:

If you don’t wear a uniform or indentifying insignia, report to a chain of command, or are held accountable to military discipline, you are not a lawful combatant, and we can shoot you out of hand, never mind waterboarding.

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:

If you don’t wear a uniform or indentifying insignia, report to a chain of command, or are held accountable to military discipline, you are not a lawful combatant, and we can shoot you out of hand, never mind waterboarding.

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Truer words were never spoken.

On a scale of “Torture 1-10″ I give it a 2 or 3 …

Am I for it? Absodamnlutely …

I say we use it on Congress.

ELECTRODES TO THE TESTICLES ALSO CREATES A CO OPERATIVE EFFECT.

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While being waterboarded works even better, I suspect!

If a so called “high value” slime is captured water board to drain his brain then release him at 30,000 feet in mid ocean without a chute. Fishfood.

You do whatever it takes if nat’l security is at stake or it might save the life of one single American. Filet their penis, put their balls in a vice and burn their eyes out! I couldn’t give two shits for the people we have waterboarded.

They cut off our people’s f-ing heads with a Goddamn knife and I’m supposed to worry about how they feel?? Fuck ‘em and feed ‘em fish heads. This one’s a no-brainer.

The question is whether we are going to use coerced interogation or not. If we are going to use it, we need a policy that strives to be the most efficient, effective and humane as possible. From what I understand, that is the policy we currently have. I would argue that it is more humane to break someone using waterboarding in 30 - 90 seconds than subjecting them to days, weeks, months of other techniques. The enemy will be more successful if we don’t use coerced interogation.

I hope that we don’t make these decisions based on what other people say about us. The people who are harping the loudest about torture think the US is evil and they always will. They will accuse us of torture no matter what our actions are.

I don’t think our policies are going to have any bearing on what the enemy does to their detainees.

No prisoners, no problem, no complaints.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any fool that thinks that stopping waterboarding will somehow make our enemies change the way they treat our captured soldiers, might want to go get the autopsy photos of those troops that were captured and butchered.

AQ and their allies will not change their ways no matter what we do.

And as far as the Geneva Convention is concerned, enemy combatants out-of-uniform captured on the battlefield have NO rights whatsoever. We can do whatever we want to them

And why did Pelosi, Harmon and Rockefeller approve of waterboarding when they were briefed on it back in 2003?
Oh that’s right. They thought that waterboarding might not be enough. Like to see them all testify under oath as to what they knew about the program and why did they encourage even stronger methods of interrogation?

In my view we should drop all this hollier-than-thou morality play, and get down to business with our enemies.
Fuck AQ. Do to them what they do to us. An eye-for-an-eye.
Cut them no slack.

You couldn’t be more wrong. They still fall under international law as a POW and therefore we are bound by the 3rd Geneva convention (there were 4 you know, not just one). “enemy combatant” is just legal jargon designed to allow the US to avoid legal ramifications of treating these people below the standards of Geneva and International Law.

“In my view we should drop all this hollier-than-thou morality play, and get down to business with our enemies.
Fuck AQ. Do to them what they do to us. An eye-for-an-eye.
Cut them no slack.”

You are an animal, and are just as bad as them. Your argument is just a you-too logical fallacy. If Al Queda cut off the hands of babies would you advocate telling our soldiers to do the same to them? We can’t drop the hollier than thou morality play BECAUSE WE ARE HOLLIER THAN THEM. Unless of course we start doing the same shit they do to us. Great job America, now your just as bad as them.

What the fuck has happened to my Country? Before we respected human rights, we knew that torture was wrong. Now…now you people want to see “filleted penis” and “pig urine.” What the hell is wrong with all of you?
I’ve spoken personally with a General officer about this and he says that the biggest issue facing us over there is the hearts and minds of the people. He says that people join Al Queda In Iraq because they see pictures of Abu Ghraib, they hear about Americans beating detainees. He says the worst thing we could possible do as a nation is to torture these people.

We’ve already sacrificed so much in terms of lives. Lets not sacrifice the principles of this country too.

Seriously though, I’m for drowning the Bastards if they don’t talk within 15 seconds. That goes for all the Traitors also( CODE PINK, ANSWER, UFPJ, IVAW, CAIR, MAS, 99% of the Dem. Party, the San Fran. City Govt.,and don’t forget Westboro Baptist Cult). Ther is a host of others but these will do for now.

So do not even compare waterboarding which gives a few seconds of discomfort to a real ass hole, to the barbaric beatings and beheadings that terrorists have bestowed on honorable people.
And please that bullshit reason that they join Al Qaeda is because of what they saw from Abu Grahib or hearing about us beating detainees is ridiculous. They have grown up in a society that has beat into their narrow minded brains that anyone who is not muslim is evil. For god sake they wanted to behead a woman because she named a teddy bear “mohammed”. It has nothing to do with what “tactics” we use to gain information. Or the dumbass twister games they played at Abu Grahib. It has to do with a culture bred from the womb to hate. And the thought that they would all of a sudden begin to think we aren’t so bad simply because we take the high road is naive.
Sorry if you feel “uncomfortable” that we use some harsh measures to extract information from bad people. But at least take comfort that your country has not let you down. As much as we may say that we would like to do all these things to these people we all know that we are as you say HOLIER THAN THOU. Actions speak louder than words.

I love the way the protagonist in Vince Flynn’s novels deals with the bad guys. In the last one I read he shot one right in head in front of the other bad guys and then shot another through the knee, they got the message.

I am confident that our CIA has very sophisticated means of pulling info out of people and they should be allowed to do whatever is necessary.

Thats just our 2 x $0.02 worth.

And what would happen if it got out in the Middle East that we were waterboarding people? Do you think they would care that some people in America don’t think it’s torture? Of course not. They would capitalize on it to the nth degree.

John McCain, a VIETNAM POW, says it’s torture. A General officer I’ve personally spoken to on the issue says it’s torture. The Army interrogation manual prohibits it, as does the USMC compliment.

There’s a whole range of reasons why people don’t think it’s torture, but there are really only 2 that matter. 1) it makes people feel comfortable. A false sense of security ensues when people think the government is doing everything it can to protect them, even violating international law (which explicitly prohibits waterboarding). 2) it satisfies some sick wish for retribution. I think some of the immature and animalistic comments above are evidence enough of this.

Thank God. I thought all was lost. There is still hope.

Thank you. I knew there were more of us out here.

In a time of war, the perceptions of moral authority and righteousness mean nothing when innocent people are needlessly martyred by a death cult of megalomaniacs, hellbent on destroying modern civilization.

Loudmouthed Mo-fo’s telling all about the methods that we use to pump shitbags for information need to be held under the towel for awhile too.

Torture or not, it should stay inside the little black bag of tricks, not be advertised.

I’m also for calling them mean names and taking away their toys.

Whether or not it’s called “torture” is immaterial. If it’s effective and saves American lives…then do it. Who gives a flying fuck on a windy day what leftards, wrist-wringers and the rest of the world thinks about it.

Here, you have friggin idiots making their own shoe bombs, and terror cells running independently of each other. They’re completely different animals, Nazis and terrorists, folks.

If they are captured and withhold information they are still trying to us by allowing terrorist operations to continue. We need to get the information from the terrorists to keep other terrorists from killing more people. Considering this, I see no difference in killing them on the battlefield and killing them if they refuse to cooperate once captured and tortured.

If I told you someone took a knife and cut some innocent child open, you’d think he was a monster. But what if he was a surgeon removing a tumor?

I’ve met far too many people who make a fetish out of victimhood. They think it’s nobler to be murdered than to use violence to protect themselves. They’re not sheep. They’re lemmings. If they want to live like that, fine.

But I won’t let myself be killed so they can feel all warm and fuzzy. Moral superiority is no use to a corpse. Gandi said the Jews and Poles should have allowed the Nazis to slaughter them. Fuck that. I’m taking the biggest honor guard I can find to Valhalla.

If you’d rather watch your children be raped and murdered than pour a little water in the face of a jihadist, you are are as much a waste of life as the goatfuckers are.

Actually, I disagree on this point. Having lived a moral life is all that matters in the end IMO.

and Jesus said: “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.”
-Luke 6:27-31

If you’re trying to tell me that Jesus would advocate torture, you’ve lost your mind. Go find it, for the love of God.

God loves the Infantry.

Of course it’s fucking torture - check out the definition of the word.

tor·ture

noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing.

–noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

PROOF - WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE.

IT IS NOT A MATTER OF OPINION - IT IS A MATTER OF FACT

DUH!!!

The latest PsyOps Counterintelligence Research at Fort Bragg reveal that physical coercion or torture is one of the least effective forms of information retrival as suspect will say anything to stop the interrogation.

Truth serums, polygraphs, even weed and PCP surreptiously administered, are far more effective. And the prisoner often has no knowledge of their use. So there’s none of this shiteful PR that undermines the effort of the combatants on the ground.

Not this man. I want to win.

In the end it is not about who played fair…it’s WHO IS LEFT STANDING. That means: hits below the belt, biting, eye-gouging, no Marquess of Queensberry rules, sucker punches and anything else that leaves you standing!! I can live with whatever I must do to win.

If it weren’t for candy-asses like yourself, every other surrender monkey of the Democratic party and the MSM, we’d have won this battle already and been home sucking Millers. The monkey in Iran would know that we mean business and wouldn’t even think of fucking with us or our friends. He’d be as quiet as a titmouse. Why? Because he’d shape up and get with the program or realize that he’d be next in line for an asskicking and a rope like Saddam.

So yes, wterboarding and any other gruesome torture in your wildest hallucination works for me. I simply do not give a shit when these animals blow up kids indiscriminatly and cut of peoples heads wh