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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94218</link>
		<author>Vanessa</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94218</guid>
					<description>The NYT is filled with evil people spewing and inciting doubt and fear about our warriors.

They are not ashamed because their agenda is to destroy the America of our forefathers and turn it into a place only Neville Chamberlain could love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT is filled with evil people spewing and inciting doubt and fear about our warriors.</p>
<p>They are not ashamed because their agenda is to destroy the America of our forefathers and turn it into a place only Neville Chamberlain could love.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94219</link>
		<author>jim</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94219</guid>
					<description>It was an all out assault to slander and demoralize everything and everyone who believed in what we were doing. It was a tactic used with malice for political gains using a guerrilla warfare state of mind...

The shame is they gave no consideration for their actions at how they may harm or hurt real people...even though many untruths were at the base of their motivation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an all out assault to slander and demoralize everything and everyone who believed in what we were doing. It was a tactic used with malice for political gains using a guerrilla warfare state of mind&#8230;</p>
<p>The shame is they gave no consideration for their actions at how they may harm or hurt real people&#8230;even though many untruths were at the base of their motivation</p>
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		<title>By: Jarhead68</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94232</link>
		<author>Jarhead68</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94232</guid>
					<description>Does ANYONE at the DOJ know the definition of TREASON? :mad:  :mad:  :mad:  :mad:  :mad:  :mad:  :mad:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does ANYONE at the DOJ know the definition of TREASON? <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':mad:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':mad:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':mad:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':mad:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':mad:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':mad:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':mad:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jam</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94237</link>
		<author>jam</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94237</guid>
					<description>Good question, Jarhead.  We get worse shit spewed out of the House and Senate all the time.  WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Jarhead.  We get worse shit spewed out of the House and Senate all the time.  WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: rockin robin</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94248</link>
		<author>rockin robin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94248</guid>
					<description>This is related to gun control issues that the dems are so vehemently trying to shove down our throats.  Also, I've heard reports of the government attempting to take guns away from veterans who are diagnosed with PTSD.  Now, a veteran is going to be faced with, "Do I give up my guns so I can obtain medical treatment for my PTSD?" OR "Do I give up medical treatment so I can keep my guns in case shit hits the fan?"  That, in my opinion, is a way for the government to further fuck our veterans out of medical treatment they so deserve and a back door approach to gun control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is related to gun control issues that the dems are so vehemently trying to shove down our throats.  Also, I&#8217;ve heard reports of the government attempting to take guns away from veterans who are diagnosed with PTSD.  Now, a veteran is going to be faced with, &#8220;Do I give up my guns so I can obtain medical treatment for my PTSD?&#8221; OR &#8220;Do I give up medical treatment so I can keep my guns in case shit hits the fan?&#8221;  That, in my opinion, is a way for the government to further fuck our veterans out of medical treatment they so deserve and a back door approach to gun control.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94250</link>
		<author>John Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94250</guid>
					<description>Get used to it.  They think they're the hyper-intelligensia, and so above it all, but we know them as nothing more than gutter snipes.  Silly, totally self-absorbed nobodies that ain't been no where and don't do anything twits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get used to it.  They think they&#8217;re the hyper-intelligensia, and so above it all, but we know them as nothing more than gutter snipes.  Silly, totally self-absorbed nobodies that ain&#8217;t been no where and don&#8217;t do anything twits.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamplighter</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94260</link>
		<author>Lamplighter</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94260</guid>
					<description>The latest kick for the NYT is to report, every day, that "there is a recession" and as the LA Times reports "it's different and worst than prior recessions." The NYT also ginned up this story about soldiers who return home to kill to defame our military.  Vanessa and jim above hit the nail on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest kick for the NYT is to report, every day, that &#8220;there is a recession&#8221; and as the LA Times reports &#8220;it&#8217;s different and worst than prior recessions.&#8221; The NYT also ginned up this story about soldiers who return home to kill to defame our military.  Vanessa and jim above hit the nail on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: rockin robin</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94267</link>
		<author>rockin robin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94267</guid>
					<description>@John . . . even though they are "totally self-absorbed nobodies that ain’t been no where and don’t do anything twits", they have been and are capable of swaying public opinion by writing their bull.  Which is scarey enough in and of itself.  We can only hope that people are intelligent enough to not fall for their trumped up rhetorical bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John . . . even though they are &#8220;totally self-absorbed nobodies that ain’t been no where and don’t do anything twits&#8221;, they have been and are capable of swaying public opinion by writing their bull.  Which is scarey enough in and of itself.  We can only hope that people are intelligent enough to not fall for their trumped up rhetorical bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: rockin robin</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94270</link>
		<author>rockin robin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94270</guid>
					<description>@ Jarhead . . . apparently NOT when you look back at all the Pelosi crap that came down the pike a few months back. . . I still say that woman needs to be tarred, feathered and hung.  Hell, let's throw Harry Reid in there too while we're at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jarhead . . . apparently NOT when you look back at all the Pelosi crap that came down the pike a few months back. . . I still say that woman needs to be tarred, feathered and hung.  Hell, let&#8217;s throw Harry Reid in there too while we&#8217;re at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil N Blanx</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94287</link>
		<author>Phil N Blanx</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94287</guid>
					<description>Excerpt from Move America Forward Press Release - 

“It’s obvious that the New York Times has an agenda of undermining the missions of our troops in the War on Terror, so much so that they are willing to resort to demonstrably false statistics to support their anti-troop bias,” said Melanie Morgan, Chairman of Move America Forward. 

“The slander of our troops and veterans by the New York Times is unfortunately all too familiar.  We heard this kind of nonsense about our returning veterans from Vietnam.  It’s the same insult, different war. 

“Perhaps the shameful staff of The New York Times has run out of war-time secrets to publish for America’s enemies to read, because now they’ve resorted to an all-out smear campaign of America’s finest men and women, who have served this country bravely and with distinction,” Morgan said. 

In place of hard data to support their premise, The New York Times was instead forced to devote almost the entire portion of 6,321 word hit-piece to anecdotes of wrongdoing by individual veterans. 

The New York Times even went so far as to trace back the phenomenon of murderous veterans to Greek mythology to back up their assertions of their report. 

“The real mythology is the reporting by The New York Times,” Move America Forward’s Melanie Morgan concluded. 

Entire Press Release From Move America Forward - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/MAFNews</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpt from Move America Forward Press Release - </p>
<p>“It’s obvious that the New York Times has an agenda of undermining the missions of our troops in the War on Terror, so much so that they are willing to resort to demonstrably false statistics to support their anti-troop bias,” said Melanie Morgan, Chairman of Move America Forward. </p>
<p>“The slander of our troops and veterans by the New York Times is unfortunately all too familiar.  We heard this kind of nonsense about our returning veterans from Vietnam.  It’s the same insult, different war. </p>
<p>“Perhaps the shameful staff of The New York Times has run out of war-time secrets to publish for America’s enemies to read, because now they’ve resorted to an all-out smear campaign of America’s finest men and women, who have served this country bravely and with distinction,” Morgan said. </p>
<p>In place of hard data to support their premise, The New York Times was instead forced to devote almost the entire portion of 6,321 word hit-piece to anecdotes of wrongdoing by individual veterans. </p>
<p>The New York Times even went so far as to trace back the phenomenon of murderous veterans to Greek mythology to back up their assertions of their report. </p>
<p>“The real mythology is the reporting by The New York Times,” Move America Forward’s Melanie Morgan concluded. </p>
<p>Entire Press Release From Move America Forward - <a href="http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/MAFNews" rel="nofollow">http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/MAFNews</a></p>
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		<title>By: mindy abraham</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94299</link>
		<author>mindy abraham</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94299</guid>
					<description>I knew this would happen sooner or later-I just knew it.   :mad: I wish I could understand the reasoning behind the hatred of the military-what have they ever done to them? :?:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew this would happen sooner or later-I just knew it.   <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':mad:' class='wp-smiley' /> I wish I could understand the reasoning behind the hatred of the military-what have they ever done to them? <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_question.gif' alt=':?:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Lone Wolf</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94302</link>
		<author>Lone Wolf</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94302</guid>
					<description>Read the Gun Owners of America website about HR 2640 and write to your Congressmen and the President:

http://www.gunowners.org/a010808.htm
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/FindYourReps.html
http://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html

The actions of the NY Times continue to be a travesty and also appears to be part of Congress's shameful action of passing HR 2640 by unanimous consent on December 19th, 2007 - after most Congressmen were returning home and party leadership had said that all the major votes were over for the year.  Thanks to our Congressional leadership, if the President signs this bill it will disenfranchise up to 140,000 of our military veterans of their 2nd Amendment rights in spite of the fact that veterans are actually at least 5 times less likely than the public at large to commit murder.

HR 2640 accomplishes this through section 101 (c) (1) (C) which makes a veteran diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder a "prohibited person" (i.e. unable to lawfully own a gun) based solely on a medical finding by a psychiatrist or psychologist, provided that they 
1) had "an opportunity for a hearing by a court, board, commission or other lawful authority"; and
2) that thay had notice that they would be made a "prohibited person" as a result of the agency action.

Presumably, the "lawful authority" could be the psychiatrist himself, and the hearing apparently doesn't have to occur. The "lawful authority" doesn't need to be unbiased.  The veteran is also not necessarily entitled to legal representation during this process.  What HR 2640 does is to statutorily lock in huge numbers of law-abiding Americans who will now be denied the right to legally defend themselves, then, under Section 105 of the bill, "graciously" allows these disarmed Americans to spend thousands of dollars for a effectively false chance to regain their gun rights.

Section 105 provides a process for some Americans diagnosed with so-called mental disabilities to get their rights restored in the state where they live. But then, in subsection (a)(2), the bill stipulates that such relief may occur only if "the person will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety and that the GRANTING OF THE RELIEF WOULD NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST."  We all know what this means - most states will not make any effort to restore the rights of these veterans once they have ever been identified as a danger to society, claiming that granting relief would be "contrary to the public interest" since that is certainly the easiest route, effectively leaving no recourse to almost all of those affected by this bill.

We should not put our brave veterans in a no-win situation - having to choose between the right to needed VA disability benefits or losing their 2nd Amendment rights and their ability to lawfully defend themselves and others.

Feel free to use my text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the Gun Owners of America website about HR 2640 and write to your Congressmen and the President:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gunowners.org/a010808.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gunowners.org/a010808.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/FindYourReps.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/FindYourReps.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html</a></p>
<p>The actions of the NY Times continue to be a travesty and also appears to be part of Congress&#8217;s shameful action of passing HR 2640 by unanimous consent on December 19th, 2007 - after most Congressmen were returning home and party leadership had said that all the major votes were over for the year.  Thanks to our Congressional leadership, if the President signs this bill it will disenfranchise up to 140,000 of our military veterans of their 2nd Amendment rights in spite of the fact that veterans are actually at least 5 times less likely than the public at large to commit murder.</p>
<p>HR 2640 accomplishes this through section 101 (c) (1) (C) which makes a veteran diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder a &#8220;prohibited person&#8221; (i.e. unable to lawfully own a gun) based solely on a medical finding by a psychiatrist or psychologist, provided that they<br />
1) had &#8220;an opportunity for a hearing by a court, board, commission or other lawful authority&#8221;; and<br />
2) that thay had notice that they would be made a &#8220;prohibited person&#8221; as a result of the agency action.</p>
<p>Presumably, the &#8220;lawful authority&#8221; could be the psychiatrist himself, and the hearing apparently doesn&#8217;t have to occur. The &#8220;lawful authority&#8221; doesn&#8217;t need to be unbiased.  The veteran is also not necessarily entitled to legal representation during this process.  What HR 2640 does is to statutorily lock in huge numbers of law-abiding Americans who will now be denied the right to legally defend themselves, then, under Section 105 of the bill, &#8220;graciously&#8221; allows these disarmed Americans to spend thousands of dollars for a effectively false chance to regain their gun rights.</p>
<p>Section 105 provides a process for some Americans diagnosed with so-called mental disabilities to get their rights restored in the state where they live. But then, in subsection (a)(2), the bill stipulates that such relief may occur only if &#8220;the person will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety and that the GRANTING OF THE RELIEF WOULD NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST.&#8221;  We all know what this means - most states will not make any effort to restore the rights of these veterans once they have ever been identified as a danger to society, claiming that granting relief would be &#8220;contrary to the public interest&#8221; since that is certainly the easiest route, effectively leaving no recourse to almost all of those affected by this bill.</p>
<p>We should not put our brave veterans in a no-win situation - having to choose between the right to needed VA disability benefits or losing their 2nd Amendment rights and their ability to lawfully defend themselves and others.</p>
<p>Feel free to use my text.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Jo</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94540</link>
		<author>Miss Jo</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/01/ungrateful/#comment-94540</guid>
					<description>oh my goodness...why can't people realize that our troops are out there sacraficing their family time to fight for freedom so that we can be with our families...or well sorta...my brother is over there fighting now. He may not agree with everything but however he's fighting to protect his family and everyone's family. If we weren't over there fighting they'd be here...they were here in 9/11/01. Did New York forget? Have they forgotten? How tragic to loose so so many lives. Kids lost their mothers, their fathers that day did they have a choice? NO. Did wives have a say that they could lose their husbands or mothers loose their babies? Or Fathers loose their children caz some dumb person decided to attack america. Now who deffends our country? The press...what was said in that article hurts alot. I love my troops. I'd join if it weren't for medical reasons of a dumb car accident. But since I cannot join I will support them with my  whole heart. They are making america a safe place to live...well they're trying. Would you want to keep going if people were saying lots of dumb lies and hated you? Heck i'd get out of there and be like no way man. But they realize there are some people like you who care, who love them and support them. So please spread the word and support our men and women, our brothers and sisters, our friends and family. Ben i miss you and support you and love you. I'll be praying for you as well. As for all of you soldiers of AMERICA where united we stand. One nation under GOD, indivisable for JUSTICE FOR ALL!!! The pledge of alliegance...With God on our side who can be against us? Amen?! Amen!! God bless~your sister in Christ~Miss Jo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh my goodness&#8230;why can&#8217;t people realize that our troops are out there sacraficing their family time to fight for freedom so that we can be with our families&#8230;or well sorta&#8230;my brother is over there fighting now. He may not agree with everything but however he&#8217;s fighting to protect his family and everyone&#8217;s family. If we weren&#8217;t over there fighting they&#8217;d be here&#8230;they were here in 9/11/01. Did New York forget? Have they forgotten? How tragic to loose so so many lives. Kids lost their mothers, their fathers that day did they have a choice? NO. Did wives have a say that they could lose their husbands or mothers loose their babies? Or Fathers loose their children caz some dumb person decided to attack america. Now who deffends our country? The press&#8230;what was said in that article hurts alot. I love my troops. I&#8217;d join if it weren&#8217;t for medical reasons of a dumb car accident. But since I cannot join I will support them with my  whole heart. They are making america a safe place to live&#8230;well they&#8217;re trying. Would you want to keep going if people were saying lots of dumb lies and hated you? Heck i&#8217;d get out of there and be like no way man. But they realize there are some people like you who care, who love them and support them. So please spread the word and support our men and women, our brothers and sisters, our friends and family. Ben i miss you and support you and love you. I&#8217;ll be praying for you as well. As for all of you soldiers of AMERICA where united we stand. One nation under GOD, indivisable for JUSTICE FOR ALL!!! The pledge of alliegance&#8230;With God on our side who can be against us? Amen?! Amen!! God bless~your sister in Christ~Miss Jo</p>
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