Bashman,

They’re running a story at Blackfive about the Marine who got his car damaged by a moonbat-twit.

It ended in the best way possible, the judge being a Marine

But, before it got to court, that whole story got blogged by many with enourmous positive results of help and back-up.

I’ll do some mailing right away.

When some scumbag ambulance chaser keyed a marine’s car, thousands went after him. This is 10 times worse. Time to hunt down this group of three thieves and get Julie’s money back with interest. And if these thieves can’t pay the money back in full immediately, I recommend we put them on the Chase Credit Card plan. Julie will be paid back with about 18% annual interest on a monthly basis. And if they stop payment for any reason, then I recommend a flogging, followed by the sale of their personal assets starting with that car that was purchased.

They better hope they can pay quickly and they better pray they decide to pay in full with an apology and a smile on their face.

I’m sure that they would be very interested to hear that the widow of one of their fallen has been bilked.

“No better friend, no worse enemy”

This “ministry” is easy to find and I’m sure there are people who live in Texas who are going to read this. The best thing we could do is spread the word and some former Marines need to pay Ken a visit and see if the threatens them. He needs to be “persuaded” to give the money back, perhaps in a lonely parking lot somewhere when he is returning to his car.

If you read their website they are running some “healing” minstry and “training” people to do healings. As a Christian and medical professional I have a real problem with scam artists like this and would like to see them taken down. If they were really doing this for Christ they would be helping people for free and certainly not bilking a widow of her money. These guys do not represent Christianity, their con artists.

CALL THE POLICE!

My son is one of the dozen survivors of 2nd Plt. 1/3 Charlie. By the end of the day they will all know.

Address
John G. Lake Ministries
P.O. Box 742947
Dallas, TX 75374

JGLM Phone Number
1-800-707-5003 ext. 4835

Can not find anyone named Jeff there. What is Jeff’s and Ken’s last names? This is going to require more information to resolve.

is Jeff, Ken, and Brandon directly involved with these churches

where are locations of affiliates of these churches located at

what is jeff and ken’s full names, do they have a my space or something that we can gain information on them or location

is this church doing anything about this

Julie Shumney would be the the closest link to them. Get on it Bash and either post it here or send to my email which should show up on your end with my post, if it does not let me know here and I will post it.

xray is probably thinking what I am because he was looking for the location too.

Ranger is obviously pissed. You live in Texas?

Robbie is only about 4h from Dallas.

I am only 4hr from Dallas.

1/3 is probably busy fighting the war on terror, so maybe Ranger, xray and I could form a collecive bargaining unit and negotiate a settlement.

I am very serious. Is anyone else serious or just venting?

Greetings;
I don’t know where you got your info, but we are not involved in this.
JGLM

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From: Dudeman4455@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:56:34 -0500
Subject: Charity
To: contact@jglm.org; johnglakemin@earthlink.net; jglmcontact@hotmail.com; jglmstatedirectors@hotmail.com; jglmleadshipptlor@gmail.com

Are you really involved in this????

http://patdollard.com/2008/01/widow-of-bronze-star-iraq-war-hero-scammed-out-of-57000

To the best of my research, the statute of limitations for fraud in the state of Texas is four years, so she should still be able to take legal action against these two cretins if we can scrape up some start-up legal fees for her…

Her update, “Dustin had recently passed away, and I had three kids, and was emotionally not stable and felt unable to go through a whole court proceeding, but more importantly, they had threatened my life and my children. And now I’m now I’m told that the stature of limitations has passed. I’m willing to take legal action if still able, if that isn’t correct,” needs some bolstering. She can easily find an attorney to give her a free initial consultation, and should do so before expecting people to believe her story and send her money.
Let’s see her either a)file a police report, post it on this website, and actively press charges or b)show that she has verified that the statute of limitations has expired and she can’t. Then I’ll send in my contribution.

I am happy to read your comment about informing 2nd Plt. 1/3 Charlie.

~~~~~~~~

After reading Bashman´s post this morning (Dutch time), I commented I would start mailing some peeps.

I´m thrilled to see it worked, seeing some blogs (amongst them Michelle Malkin) already have picked up this story.

Sorry, this was all I could do.

(Right now I´m in the middel of lots of work, preparing for 2 funerals for comming wendsday and thursday. Lost 2 young soldiers due to “friendly fire”. After the first soldier got hit, the second one jumped in to help his colleague, only to get killed as well. Such a tragedy.. :cry:)

I´ll be around now and then for a quick peek but not 100% active ´till comming friday.

So folks, let´s kick some ass and achieve that sollicitors will sue these 2 scumbags pro bono, lots of people will donate to Julie and that once again the honourful legacy of being a Marine will emerge. (No man left behind, nor it´s widow being left sucked out of here lifesavings by douchebags.)

Will RTB now.

Sincerely yours,

Jeanet

The Captain and XO are two very good folks who might be able to get some kind of a fund-drive going– we joke a lot about our Marines, but they are OUR MARINES and no scumbag slime can just abuse their widows and get away with it.
http://www.essex.navy.mil/Index.htm is the ship’s address.

Thanks, for some reason my link wasn’t working anymore.

When you’ve convinced them it’s not in their best interests to threaten or harm the family, then you can turn them over to the authorities. I suspect a jury will not treat them kindly.

Oh: and a call to Fox News, too!

First, thank you for deleating the comment from carolynp. She went to far and had me make this comment:

________________

Forgive me for getting rude, just read my last entry if you want to now why. But I feel the need to clear up a few things, also being responsible for other blogs picking up this story and, the results, those bloggers commenting here.

Listen up folks - those who are commenting here after your attention was caught by Julie’s story somewhere else on the net, not being a close “follower of the Dollardian-world” on a regular base:

It was Bashman who came up with the “whole story”. But, it was Pat who got in contact with Julie shortly before Christmas because of some pictures Pat still had and on which Julie’s killed husband was portayed. That’s when Julie told her story to Pat.

With Pat still recovering from a retina-rupture and heavy surgery afterwards, it is Bashman who is bringing Julie’s story to our attention “in the full” after Pat alredy mentioning it in “Deep Thoughts”.Right now Pat is too tied up with doctors-orders and other extremely important issues. (E.g. wrapping up the “Young Americans”-documentary and more very important stuff.) Seems to me he has enough on his mind while Bashman is working his but of too, keeping this site “on the sharp edge” in the way we, The Dollardians, are used to. (No puns intended here.)

I don’t want any one to impose anything negative on the person “Julie Shumner”, ‘cause, if Pat snifs out something nasty, you’re not on his list, you’d be already crushed underneath his boots.

Short:
If a story like this one is brought to you on Pat Dollard’s YA, it’s legitimit. End of story!

I can very well relate to certain thoughts.(Is this story for real? Is Julie also responsible herself, why didn’t she go to the police? etc.) But we don’t know all the “in’s and out’s”, simply, because we were not in Julie’s shoes around the time this happened. One thing I can tell you from my own experiences;
If you are a good and honest person just to get litterly robed from your savings because of some frauds, you’re life is upside down. You feel guilty too, ‘cause your family is stricken as well. (In more then one way, being black-mailed not to take action with the lives of your kids on stacke.) You just can’t think clear, you’re numb. And Julie had already lost her dearly loved husband when all she wanted was doing some good, as a tribute to her fallen loved-one. Just imagine how you would feel, being left in a situation like this.

It’s okay to pay thorough investigation into a mather when a donation is asked. No one wants to steal money out of your pocket. Making a donation is a FREE choise, but please, commenting with the negative attitude towards Julie I read a few times, as if she is a fraud herself and stumbling about her not taking enough action in the mather is, considering the circumstanses, NOT DONE.

Same goes for the well-understandable “research about” and thoughts of “taking some action against” the two frauds involved in this dirty play. This too is NOT DONE. Remember;“Innocent ‘till proven guilty!”
Let alone, you could harm some one not being part of it, just being associated and by coincidense with the same names. But, more worse, it will do more HARM to Julie, her children and her case then good will come out of it. Please, take a deep breath, count ‘till ten and restain yourselves. I can totaly inderstand your feelings, but in the end it will harm Julie and her family even more!

Julie’s story is about:
Informing the readers about a tragic loss witch turned from a “tribute” into a sheer nightmare.
Appealing to those who can actually help, e.g. sollocitors, private-investigators and lawyers who might want to put some outstanding work in it, in order to get the scumbags in front of a judge without Julie having to pay up hefty sums of money. (She just can’t!!!)
And, if you feel like it, donate some money or offer some other good help. (I already read some good advice.)

It’s not about;
Throwing even more sault in Julie’s open wounds. (Not to mention, those of the children.)
Do a follow up by beating up some folks who maybe in the end aren’t even responsible.

Let stay civil about this. Don’t act as if you’ve emerged from the middel ages AND, don’t talk down on people who have already lost so much, now nibbling at their last credability. (Feels to me like kicking an already beaten up dog, chained to a wall.)

Once again, if I was rude? I appologize. It’s so frustrating to see that good intentions sometimes backfire with only more negativity. That isn’t what I hoped for.

Pleace, stay human, stay civil, reach into yourselve, asking “what if it had happened to me” and then…… do the right thing. (And I don’t mean, slowly starting up a smear-campagne, nor following others advice blindly.)

Just THINK!!!

Getting some shut-eye now for a few hours. Hoping things will change for the better here.

Sincerly,

Jeanet from The Netherlands.

And I”m not including a beating in the above, not that I couldn’t but I wouldn’t..
If anyone needs some surveillance, photos, video maybe, those things I can do. I have a bit of time on my hands.

I’m a child of the ’60s and ’70s, ashamed and embarrassed that I chose not to serve because I believed all the crap the media were flinging at the time.. but getting older and fatter, I got wiser too..

So thanks to every serviceman and woman, present and former, and Julie, I know what it’s like to suddenly lose the one you love.. a lotta prayers are headed your way…

Somebody find a physical location and I’ll get you pictures so you can be sure of who these people are or are not.

And proceed from there, civilly and with the calm that comes from being right. :-))

Ask the Dollards for my email, cuz I hereby authorize them to give it to you. But I won’t put it here in the open for sensible reasons.

God bless Dustin Shumney and all those who volunteer and take a risk I cannot imagine, just so I can be free in this country. It’s beyond “thank you”.. there are no words for it…

Why do you hate, son? Maybe you didn’t notice, but a lot of good people, including Christians, are banding together to do something for this war widow and her kids, and you have to throw your slimey hate right in the middle of it.

For your information (not that it matters to a hater like you) a “Christian” is, by precise definition, a follower of Jesus Christ, and adheres to His teachings. Therefore, if someone calling himself a “Christian” does something like rob from a war widow, you can be sure that are NOT Christians. Got it?

And, if any person calling himself a “Christian evangelist” is doing anything other than “evangelizing” (spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ,) you may be sure he is neither a Christian nor an evangelist. And I don’t care whether the scammers run some of the biggest TV churches in America (they do,) they are NOT Christians, by definition, and are NOT evangelists.

I’ve tried to explain this simply, as I would to about a seven year-old kid, hoping you might learn something. Any questions? Go peddle your hate somewhere else, please.

Master Chief Petty Officer, U.S.N. (Ret.)

Tried to find out about Kenneth Waters’ criminal history (to see if it is just part of the scam or not), but had no luck, other than that he’s never been in federal prison.

I hope someone has a photo of the guy in case he tries to skip town and run this scam on some other poor soul.

I noticed throughout the day that the commenting here at Dollard Nation had slowed down. (I could not comment until I got home from work.) I am more than sure it is because of how moved everyone has been about what happened to you and your family and they are doing everything they can to get help for your family and resources.

You have a tremendous amount of heart to be reaching out to others after the loss of your husband, Dustin. I cannot imagine what you and your children have gone through. I will keep you all in my prayers and send you what I can when I am able. It is very distressing to know that the people who were involved in stealing this money from you are hiding behind a Christian organization or church of any kind. Those involved must be stopped before they do this again. I am also very glad that Pat Dollard and Bashman have brought this issue into the news. Your story will hit every mil-blog.

The dirtbags that took advantage of you in your grief, stole the money from your family, and threatened the lives of you and your children will not get away with it. There is a whole band of people organizing now to get your family some justice in this situation. Eventually they will have to answer for this crime according to the law.

God bless your husband, Dustin, may he rest in peace. His service and sacrifice will never be forgotten by any of us.

God bless you and your children, Jordan, Mallory, and Conner. You all will remain in my prayers.

One is the Christian thing, helping someone from the club out whose family is in need.

The other is the American thing, bringing criminals to justice, or if needed, justice to criminals.

Shining daylight on the situation provides factual and actionable information so the system can do its job, and others can be kept from being hurt. We just need to ensure there is clear and accurate information. Full names, locations and dates would be very helpful. Then you bring in the professionals.

I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your support, to be honest it is quite embarrassing that this actually happened to me! Being that I consider myself to be quite on top of things and these types of things “NEVER” happen to me! lol Well I guess never say never. I am very thankful this is in Gods hands and he will come through I know, with out an ounce of doubt. The Shumney’s thank you! OORAH!

Have you ever seen a snow globe? You know the glass ball with a scence and snow in it.
That is the best way I can describe what my soul felt like for a year and a half after loosing my husband. It was like someone had taken me and shook me, everything was foggy yet warm, like I was a puppet going through the motions. God was definately there, oh my was he ever. The holy spirit was with my kids and I every moment of everyday for at least a year. Then as I grew stronger the snow started to stop falling and the fog started to clear. I became stronger and stronger and all my kids and I wanted to do was give back to God! God had been so good to us, when you feel the holy spirit upon you, you are a candle with a bright flame ready to do nothing but fall to your knees and serve the Lord by serving his people. The greatest gift you can give is your time! That is what my kids and I did for a year we traveled to various places and served the Lord, I thought these guys from church were on the same page as I was on. Unfortunately not!

I only want justice. I am a Godly woman, not a pitbull! God has been so good to my kids and I, I had turned this all over to him to deal with at the time because I was scared and emotionally unable. I thought as a christian that is what I was supposed to do. Until now finding out that doesnt apply to widows and children of the father less. I want the guys brought to justice and I want to be at peace with it. With everyones help I may just get there.

I will contact my congressman, friend of mine and speak with him to see what can be done.

Thank you for all of your support!
Julie Shumney

Mesquite is in Dallas County. Here is a link to the official Dallas County criminal conviction database:

http://www.dallascounty.org/pars2/#

Searches are free (even though it says something about paying - ignore that - and these are the county records, but you may need more information on these clowns (approximate age) because there are several “Jeff Randalls” and “Kenneth Walters”. You’ll need to get the document that explains disposition codes - follow the link.

You can also do a search on the Texas Dept. of Public Safety Website for Texas criminal convictions. Each search is three dollars and you have to use a credit card and give some of your information:

https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/dps_web/Portal/index.aspx

JULIE - GO TO THE POLICE or Texas Rangers (there is a DPS office in Garland, Texas with Rangers in it - they may send you back the locals, but if this goes over more than one county, you might start with DPS). There is no amount of pressure that you can put on these yo-yos more than that of a pending felony theft charge. It appears you are DEFINITELY a victim of fraud/theft under the Texas Penal Code. Let the police investigate them for the criminal part and then when all the facts are out, sue em and take what’s left.

Put this in your browser; it is the Texas Penal Code. Read Chapter 31.03 (THEFT) and related definitions. It appears you have a third degree felony theft (by deception).

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/pe.toc.htm

Since the raw text may be confusing as heck, the relevant parts of excerpted below:

FROM THE TEXAS PENAL CODE:

§ 31.03. THEFT. (a) A person commits an offense if he
unlawfully appropriates property with intent to deprive the owner of property.

(b) Appropriation of property is unlawful if:
(1) it is without the owner’s effective consent;

NOW, these definitions explain what each word in that statute means (taken from TPC 31.01):

§ 31.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) “Deception” means: (A) creating or confirming by words or conduct a false impression of law or fact that is likely to affect the judgment of another in the transaction, and that the actor does not believe to be true;

(B) failing to correct a false impression of law or fact that is likely to affect the judgment of another in the transaction, that the actor previously created or confirmed by words or conduct, and that the actor does not now believe to be true;

(C) preventing another from acquiring information likely to affect his judgment in the transaction;…… or

(E) promising performance that is likely to affect the judgment of another in the transaction and that the actor does not intend to perform or knows will not be performed, except that failure to perform the promise in issue without other evidence of intent or knowledge is not sufficient proof that the actor did not intend to perform or knew the promise would not be performed.

(2) “Deprive” means:
(A) to withhold property from the owner
permanently or for so extended a period of time that a major portion of the value or enjoyment of the property is lost to the owner;
(B) to restore property only upon payment of
reward or other compensation; or

(C) to dispose of property in a manner that makes recovery of the property by the owner unlikely.

(3) “Effective consent” includes consent by a person
legally authorized to act for the owner. Consent is not effective if: (A) induced by deception or coercion; ……..

(4) “Appropriate” means: (A) to bring about a transfer or purported transfer of title to or other nonpossessory interest in property, whether to the actor or another; or

(B) to acquire or otherwise exercise control over
property other than real property.

(5) “Property” means: (A) real property; (B) tangible or intangible personal property including anything severed from land; or (C) a document, including money, that represents
or embodies anything of value.

I came here from Michelle Malkin’s blog and I hope this helps. By the way, I am a Christian myself - these guys are con-men, not Christians. God will judge them as well for this someday.

When I was saved about 25 years ago–as a business man–I learned EARLY ENOUGH: don’t do business with a (most) Christians. Most of them have Democratic/socialis attitudes and some are scum bags like these sewer crap.

To the dear lady Julie, I am very sorry for your loss of your great husband and this event is something that you need to pursue legally. Your family deserves it. It is not right to let evil go unpunished. These three stooges need to be held accountable. Surely there are Godly men in your area that will support you and stand with you through this until justice is done. This absolutely fries my wires. I could hardly read the article without seeing stars and flashes of anger. Go get em’ girl!! Go get em’! We can’t do it for you but we will support you! God bless you and your children.

Yours in Christ
Mark

Should other actions and protections be needed, beyond the financial assistance, there are many, many who would answer that call and help out. Your family is not alone, it is a part of this much larger whole of current and former service members and families. God bless.

From:
2302 N Belt Line Rd
Mesquite, TX 75150

Drive: 9.9 mi – about 17 mins

1. Head north on N Belt Line Rd toward Tripp Rd 0.2 mi
2. Make a U-turn at Tripp Rd 0.5 mi
3. Turn right at US-80 E 0.2 mi
4. Take the ramp on the left onto US-80 W 1.2 mi
5. Take the exit onto I-635 S 6.4 mi
6. Take exit 1A toward Seagoville Rd 0.2 mi
7. Merge onto Hickory Tree Rd 0.2 mi
8. Turn left at Seagoville Rd 0.1 mi
9. Turn right at Kleberg Rd 0.4 mi
10. Turn left at Rylie Crest Dr 0.2 mi
11. Turn right at Arrowdell Rd 0.3 mi
12. Turn right at ASA Dr 0.1 mi
13. Turn left at Wild Oak Rd 325 ft

To:
5365 Wild Oak Rd
Mesquite, TX 75180

Jeff went on to tell Julie that he himself had been unfaithful with the funds, paying for an expensive school for his own son, as well as numerous other personal bills.

But Jeff said that Ken was a dangerous person with a criminal background. That there was no telling what he would do if he was confronted with his wrongdoing.”

JEFF RANDLE
2302 N BELT LINE RD
MESQUITE, TX 75150
(214) 484-3304

KENNETH WATERS
5365 WILD OAK RD
BALCH SPRINGS, TX 75180
(972) 913-0898

I am Curry R. Blake, I am the General Overseer of John G. Lake Ministries.

I have just been informed of this situation.

I do know parts of it are true.

The “Jeff” in the story is Jeffrey Brent Randle, he is currently in the Dallas County Jail.

He worked as a web designer and graphics artist for us for a while.

I fired him about 3 weeks ago when we noticed irregularities in our online store page.

He was arrested for a probation violation.
Felony Injury to a child.

Jeff is also under suspicion for knocking out my wife’s car’s window on New Years Eve.

“Ken” is Kenneth Waters, Kenneth and his family attended our church in Mesquite.

The story I was told by Jeff and Kenneth is that they were in an ebay business with “Julie” and the business went

under due to mismanagement on Julie’s part.

Julie contacted me to tell me that Jeff and Ken were representing themselves as John G. Lake Ministries.

I informed her that they did not represent the ministry.
Their (Jeff and Ken) association with Julie ended just before I met them. They attended a seminar I held.
As far as money or cars, etc. Neither of these two ever donated any money to JGLM. Kenneth and Jeff were given cars by people in the church.

Feel free to contact me with any further questions.
I too, am a veteran (U.S. Air Force - Security Police Law Enforcement Specialist).
I am a Christian and would have nothing to do with a situation like this.
Personally, I agree with the sentiments of the other responders.
I too, would love to take matters into my own hands, but it appears Jeff may already be reaping what he has sown.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=491741

I am however not able to post the link to the story due to rules against solicitation of donations.

I want to help Julie as much as I can. I am also a Marine Wife. I know your pain Julie. Although I have not lost my husband, I have lost friends. I do understand the haze you were in. I hope I can help you. If anything by getting the word out as much as I can.
My prayers to you and your children. Your story is definitely in the right place here @ Pats site.

LC&M

Also, to those who would bring physical violence to these creatures, I would urge some restraint. The last thing the Shumney family needs is for these things to claim that Julie was urging people to harm them.

Just my $0.02 worth.

The church needs to be notified of this! Talk with the Pastor of the church. Believe me, he will want to know. Then get the word out!

Also, here is a Psalm that is written by King David, when he was wronged by someone who was near and dear to him, resulting in David losing everything he had! Let his words be yours…

Psalm 7:6-11
6 Rise up, LORD, in Your anger; lift Yourself up against the fury of my adversaries; awake for me;You have ordained a judgment.
7 Let the assembly of peoples gather around You; take Your seat on high over it.
8 The LORD judges the peoples; vindicate me, LORD, according to my righteousness and my integrity.
9 Let the evil of the wicked come to an end, but establish the righteous. The One who examines the thoughts and emotions is a righteous God.
10 My shield is with God, who saves the upright in heart.
11 God is a righteous judge, and a God who executes justice every day.

Translation: You got a mighty power in your corner - use it!

I’d talk to an actual lawyer. And the police. Preferably a lawyer and policeman who are prior service- they can probably come up with something nail these jackasses on. Do not assume the statute of limitations is past.

I’d also file liens on their property.