Umm…don’t mean to offend your sensibilities, Jarheads (and I do mean that in an affectionate but non-gay way), but you have a “devil dog” as a mascot.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, has political correctness truly infiltrated the ranks?

A proud Devil Dog.

Devil Dog, however, was reserved for use by NCOs, SNCOs and officers who were pissed and wanted to chew your ass. It started in Boot Camp after the Crucible, when the DIs couldn’t call you “recruit” anymore, they substituted it with “Devil Dog.” Same tone. Same cadence. Same meaning (”Hey, shithead!”). The trend continued in SOI and MOS school and by the time you hit the Fleet, it was VERY clear that if the term “Devil Dog” was directed towards you, you were in deep shit.

If you were an NCO and were referred to as “Devil Dog,” it was even worse! By a peer, it was often a joke referring to some screwup (real or perceived) and by an senior, it meant that you were being patronized or shamed. By a junior, it was a smoking offense.

However, pejorative though it may be (or have become), it is a term reserved for use ONLY by Marines. We would get VERY upset if some outsider DARED to use it, especially because they would occasionally pick up on the fact that it WAS used pejoratively and attempt to use it as such, hence the girlfriend’s reaction.

So if someone wants to place blame for the decline in the term Devil Dog, it lies with unimaginative NCOs, SNCOs and officers who couldn’t think up another term to call their Marines on the carpet. It really is a shame, because it is one of my favorite nicknames, considering the consummate bad asses who bestowed it on us. If it were to be given a break for a few years, I have no doubt it could be restored to it’s former prominent place, but until then, it will remain an insult.

Thanks for the info

Cdoginyoeye

Might have to change my name to ProudDevilDog

but cerealy, to each their own, didn’t bug me if it came for the right reason, “hey devil you did good after takin that round, never seen someone take a round in the neck and try to get back up”, but true once you feel you left bootdumb and all its glory it could offend if used wrong, but its bad ass history there, i thought the commandants video that was played at all the balls last year was moving as hell cuz it focused on WWI, anyways if it does piss ya off show ‘em what a pissed on devil dog really can do, then take the njp like a man, anyone else ever go down 2 ranks in one set of office hours, haha, nothing like being a pfc rockin one stellar stack, cheers

“You may go through your Marine Corps career and hear people using Devil Dog for both good and bad. It can be, just always recognize who said it and how its said. Never EVER say it to someone who is above you, but god damn it your brother before you EARNED that title, so its nothing to be ashamed of. Call your fellow brothers Devil Dogs with pride. It’s a part of you now.”

My graduating class at SOI were always calling eachother Devil Dogs. NCO’s used it with us for good and bad. My unit uses it now for praise and reprimand as well. Fuck, its a bad ass nickname given for a god damn good reason.

No way! Only by a Squid on a Navy BOAT or by some skuzzy civilian with long greasy hair and wearing a paisly shirt, bell bottom panties and smelling like patchuli oil!

Sez who? A bunch of carpet munching Squid Wanna be’s?

If some FNG or REMF doesn’t know his history and the honored traditions of the Corps, he shouldn’t have been allowed to graduate from Boot Camp. Any active Marine who finds or takes offense at the term “Devil Dog” should be put back in a remedial training class so as to get his ass in gear and fall in lock step with the Marines who went before him and who passed the right to earn the title of United Sates Marine to him. It seems that as far as I know, nobody asked my permission to change the Etymology of Teufel Hunden, or in N-gish “Devis Dog” Why the official mascot of the Corps is a Bull Dog named Chesty. Anyway that title was forged in Blood, mounted with guts and no Marine or man has the right nor the ability to alter it… period! What is offensive to a Marine is to be referred to as a “soldier” or a “trooper” and that awful sound the Army dudes make when acknowledging an order, sounds like Whoa-whah??? I guess they are trying to say Oooorah! Which by the way is not hyphenated and also, in my Corps was reserved for Recon only.

Jar Head,
Leatherneck,
Mud Marine,
Grunt,
Air Dale
Gyrene

These terms are not, and I reiterate, NOT pejorative terms when used by a veteran or an active duty Marines. of for the most part by a civilian or possibly by some other branch of the armed forces in certain circumstances. Well, I might do a double take if some skuzzy civilian started bleating out those terms under certain circumstances like during a pansy ass’d ‘luv in’ or drug induced riot, but never from a Veteran or a veteran retired Marine. For one thing, the dip shit soi disant Marine who challenged former Staff Sgt. Glenn Kirst in the parking lot was apparently shorted some of his initial issue of 782 Gear because it is sene qua non that he should have been able to tell, just by looking at a former brother Marine and recognize that he was in the presence of a friend and a brother. Some of our young whistle dick FNG’s had best listen to Jim Croce singin and learn what to do and especially what not to do to a Marine be he a veteran past, present or in the future.

Semper Fidelis

Veteran d’nam Marine and Staff Sergeant Chuck Nowotny

“Darned Fools, holy shit, Man, that is the last place in the world I want to be in a CH-46 taking fire through the deck to overhead, lying proned out on the deck in the BACK of a helicopter… Holy Moley, man… don’t you know that Charlie doesn’t lead!” Jar Heads!

All in all, no one died that day..

One other time, some 3rd MAR DIV grunts passed as I was about finishing up loading and getting situated my Shining Brass Recon Cargo. The hapless numbnutz 03’s probably on mess duty yelled out something about’ my sorry ass being a pussy and swingin with the wing.’ What they didn’t know or apparently see was the rest of the team who had not boarded my bird. The gaggle of cluster pfhuques inadvertently ran full face into the remainder of the team that tore into them in no uncertain words or ways so as insure that they’d never make an unsolicited statement like that ever again especially not on their watch and specifically not about any Aircrew man in a helicopter that would and did often save their bacon and green team skins. Apparently there were no piss tubes available because they left the area marinating in their own urine!

I wasn’t offended and it was not often that any brother Marine would do or say anything uncalled for up front. However, in REMF country, in the rear with the gear is where I sometimes saw the breakdown of the “Code” amongst Marines but that was always a private matter settled over a warm Ballentines for the most part.

“I think the backlash against ‘Devil Dog’ does begin with the leadership. [Noncommissioned officers] (myself included) use the following phrase, ‘HEY, DEVIL DOG!’ to initiate a ‘correction’ when we don’t know exactly who the Marine may be.

When I was in, it was just “Hey, Marine.” Which brings up another story.

My MOS school was at Fort Gordon, Georgia, or, as my Army cousin calls it, Fort Garbage. There were soldiers and Marines (notice that, you don’t capitalize soldier, sailor or airman) in my class. They always asked us why we didn’t have nametags on our utilities/cammies (WTF are BDUs?). We’d respond by pointing at our rank and saying PFC or LCpl work just fine. Of course, now Marines are tagged.

Whatever the case, Devil Dog should never be used in anything other than a positive way.

Dotage
a noun
Definition:
An offensive term for the lack of strength or concentration sometimes believed to be characteristic of old age.

Who me??? What me worry?~~ Al E. Newman

Dotage
a noun
Definition:
An offensive term for the lack of strength or concentration sometimes believed to be characteristic of old age.

Who me??? What me worry?~~ Al E. Newman
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dag nabbit, Chuck!

How I DO loves ya! xoxo

Ladies and Gents of Dollard Nation …

Please be honored to meet my fellow Bandie/Bandhead …

Veteran d’nam Marine and Staff Sergeant Chuck Nowotny

And as to my post of yesterday, THIS was his favorite gal “in-country” in `nam:

http://patdollard.com/2008/04/the-phrog-princess/

Thanks for your insight … and service, Chuck!

Maggie

Christ!! leave it to the punks that
were green when I was getting out. Next
thing you know, Semper Fi being used as a
salutation will be in the same fix. I knew
that the dumb shits that I left the Corp
to would screw the pooch, this proves it!

Might have to change my name to ProudDevilDog

Semper Fidelis Brad, No worries, there are a ton of great young qualified and heroic bastards out there that earned the title and do you and the Corps proud. Most of this happy horse shit probably comes from some lard ass’d Pogues and Pencil necked, sealed beam REMF Geeks in charge of supply or S-2. I can’t for the life of me see how being called something can get a real Marines nutz in an uproar! Maybe they pull all the punches in Boot Camp these days and issue Midol to those who have bad hair days while in training. In the halcyon days of yore, they just wrapped Mrs. Jones offspring up in a blanket, and sent him packing to a recalcitrant readjustment platoon where someone, not his mommy kicked the impacted turd that was lodged in his brain housing group free and clear.

I have heard there is some silly ass hand holding going on these days due to the dreaded P.C. However I was under the assumption that it only applied to Navy and Air Force recruits.

I still will approach any uniformed United States Military gal or feller and humbly say that I appreciate every thing they have done or about to do for this Nation. Especially a fellow Marine. All in all it sounds to me like a few insignificant and hopelessly microcephalic wingnuts failed to be weeded out in Boot camp are guilty of causing the air pressure outside their heads to be greater than inside their craniums there by causing debilitating brain pfharts.

Your CH-46 story sounds eerily similar to something that happened to us. We had just wrapped up an operation somewhere south of Chu Lai in January, ‘67 and were being flown out when a single round ripped through the fuselage somewhere near the rear of the chopper. It was loud and it sounded just as you described. We thought everything was OK as we continued out of the narrow valley and out over the South China Sea. It must not have been, though, because the pilot suddenly turned back to the coast and brought it down on top a high bluff just inland from the coastline. The rest of the company joined us and we set up a hasty perimeter around the downed helicopter. Whatever the problem was - a severed hydraulic line, I suspect - the chopper was repaired and flown out before nightfall. We, however, got to spend the evening there.

By the way, if that number that forms part of your nom de guerre is your service number, I got you, ya boot.

Semper Fi, fellow Devil Dog.

Pogue Mahogue
2139013 USMC

Oops! Not this Phrog. She earned a MOH among others. She was a wreck in Iraq but now, thanks to some great work by guys like Dennis Craycraft she has earned a static place at the main gate at MCAS New River. My buno on YT-6 an A model 151920. Totally and completely diffrn’t and I was in HMM 164 which is now a training Sqdrn at Pendleton. I did get some skins time in October of ‘67 with HMM 163 when all of our birds went down and ove to Oki for a Mod., but they were piston pounding CH 34’s.

Us old time Devil Dogs who flen in Phrogs when they were A models have lots of photos and stories from d’nam to Iraq. Please feel free to visit. www.popasmoke.com

Semper Fidelis

SAEPE EXPERTUS, SEMPER FIDELIS, FRATRES AETERNI
“Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever”

That is what it is all about Brothers.

But after reading Dbo’s incident….yeagh, we never called any Marine above the rank of Lance Corporal “Devil Dog”. It was always Corporal or Sergeant or whatever. Anything less-than-formal was considered insubordinate.

I suppose I don’t care for the name Devil Dog but the idea of Marines fighting like “demonic possessed animals” does fit nicely. It gets my juices flowing and makes me wanna rip the heart out of the enemies chest.