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	<title>Comments on: Follow-Up: Army Reviewing Complaints Over Bullets</title>
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		<title>By: TBinSTL (just typical)</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/05/follow-up-army-reviewing-complaints-over-bullets/#comment-179007</link>
		<author>TBinSTL (just typical)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/05/follow-up-army-reviewing-complaints-over-bullets/#comment-179007</guid>
					<description>Beware.

The AP, as usual, will use anything to create the image of our evil, uncaring leaders sending these "kids off to slaughter".  They did it with that crap Dragon Skin body armor that they said "our boys deserve" and they'll do it with anything they can get traction on.

This fight has been going on for decades. The SOF teams that first fielded the 5.56 loved it because they could carry so much of it and it was accurate. They understand the value of shot placement too. On the other hand larger rounds, .308 for example, can punch through for a kill behind cover and is also accurate but you can only carry half as much or your kit just gets heavier. Some people support going to soft point or hollow point 5.56 but that would mean blowing off some of the conventions that have been in force since the end of the 1800's. 

There is no perfect bullet for every situation. The Marine Corps has emphasized marksmanship to make the best of it. 

I used to run a bicycle store and I used to tell customers that there are three features to choose in a bike: price, durability and weight, pick any two. If you want a light weight bike that is durable, it won't be cheap. If you want a cheap bike that is durable, it won't be light...etc. 

If you add in the costs of retooling our entire production channel for something that is consumed in such quantity, the whole idea is not a very attractive one while in a fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware.</p>
<p>The AP, as usual, will use anything to create the image of our evil, uncaring leaders sending these &#8220;kids off to slaughter&#8221;.  They did it with that crap Dragon Skin body armor that they said &#8220;our boys deserve&#8221; and they&#8217;ll do it with anything they can get traction on.</p>
<p>This fight has been going on for decades. The SOF teams that first fielded the 5.56 loved it because they could carry so much of it and it was accurate. They understand the value of shot placement too. On the other hand larger rounds, .308 for example, can punch through for a kill behind cover and is also accurate but you can only carry half as much or your kit just gets heavier. Some people support going to soft point or hollow point 5.56 but that would mean blowing off some of the conventions that have been in force since the end of the 1800&#8217;s. </p>
<p>There is no perfect bullet for every situation. The Marine Corps has emphasized marksmanship to make the best of it. </p>
<p>I used to run a bicycle store and I used to tell customers that there are three features to choose in a bike: price, durability and weight, pick any two. If you want a light weight bike that is durable, it won&#8217;t be cheap. If you want a cheap bike that is durable, it won&#8217;t be light&#8230;etc. </p>
<p>If you add in the costs of retooling our entire production channel for something that is consumed in such quantity, the whole idea is not a very attractive one while in a fight.</p>
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		<title>By: PDizzle</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/05/follow-up-army-reviewing-complaints-over-bullets/#comment-179071</link>
		<author>PDizzle</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 20:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/05/follow-up-army-reviewing-complaints-over-bullets/#comment-179071</guid>
					<description>I second TB.  It seems like every week the Army Times has a new article about how terrible the M4 is.  Same with the body armor.  One of my old favorite sites, SFTT.org (founded by super soldier David Hackworth) seems to have become the official mouthpiece for Dragon Skin.  Never mind that Dragon Skin is much heavier and not as durable.  In fact, Mike Yon sold his Dragon Skin on eBay.  If Yon says it sucks, I believe him.  
As far as weapons go, I gotta take the Army's side on this one.  I have no doubt that there are weapons (ie 416) that are slightly better than the M16/M4 family, but it would be an incredible waste of taxpayer dollars to procure, train with an field a weapon that is only a minor improvement.  I say, wait for a ray gun or something else cool like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second TB.  It seems like every week the Army Times has a new article about how terrible the M4 is.  Same with the body armor.  One of my old favorite sites, SFTT.org (founded by super soldier David Hackworth) seems to have become the official mouthpiece for Dragon Skin.  Never mind that Dragon Skin is much heavier and not as durable.  In fact, Mike Yon sold his Dragon Skin on eBay.  If Yon says it sucks, I believe him.<br />
As far as weapons go, I gotta take the Army&#8217;s side on this one.  I have no doubt that there are weapons (ie 416) that are slightly better than the M16/M4 family, but it would be an incredible waste of taxpayer dollars to procure, train with an field a weapon that is only a minor improvement.  I say, wait for a ray gun or something else cool like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/05/follow-up-army-reviewing-complaints-over-bullets/#comment-179105</link>
		<author>Juan</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 21:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/05/follow-up-army-reviewing-complaints-over-bullets/#comment-179105</guid>
					<description>Or you know, just change the quality and quantity of the grain in the 5.56 bullet.  The 77 grain round can put a hadji down on the first round most of the time.  Unless you know, it's high on drugs.   But it's the 68 grain that is shitty.  (I might have the grain numbers messed up by a number or two)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or you know, just change the quality and quantity of the grain in the 5.56 bullet.  The 77 grain round can put a hadji down on the first round most of the time.  Unless you know, it&#8217;s high on drugs.   But it&#8217;s the 68 grain that is shitty.  (I might have the grain numbers messed up by a number or two)</p>
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		<title>By: Birdddog</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/05/follow-up-army-reviewing-complaints-over-bullets/#comment-179219</link>
		<author>Birdddog</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/05/follow-up-army-reviewing-complaints-over-bullets/#comment-179219</guid>
					<description>AA-12 :beer:  :gun:  :beer:  :gun:  :beer:  :gun:  :beer:  :gun:  :gun:  :gun:  :gun:</description>
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