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	<title>Comments on: WWII Angel of Mercy Pilot Reunion-German Ace Let Badly Damaged B-17 Fly Home-Pilots Meet Years Later</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos for re-telling the story of Brown and Stigler!

I had the honour to record interviews with both men at length, for a radio documentary on the incident. Many others told the story after that, and it certainly deserves to be heard by as many people as possible. In the last few years, though, a couple of errors have crept in, particularly the notion that the bomber was headed in the wrong direction. I suspect that someone not terribly familiar with aviation misinterpreted what he heard: Neither Brown nor Stigler said anything like that. As they related to me on tape, Brown had reached the north sea, and Stigler tried, first, to get him to turn around and land in Germany (which, faced with a heavily armed German fighter, would be a reasonable thing for Brown to do). That wasn&#039;t happening, so Stigler gestured north toward Sweden, which was the destination for many, many B-17s too damaged to reach England. Brown stayed on course, west, toward England, and Stigler saluted Brown and broke off.

The version that has Stigler turning around the B-17 surfaced in one of those anonymous emails.  It would be almost impossible for a pilot, even in Charlie Brown&#039;s dazed condition, to not notice that the coast was on the wrong side of his aircraft.

A couple of other minor inaccuracies in that version...&quot;Franz Stigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17&quot;: He wasn&#039;t ordered. He had already shot down two B-17s, landed, rearmed and refueled, and was about to take off again when Ye Olde Tub appeared at treetop height. All he had to do was close the canopy and hit the throttle.

&quot;...all because Franz never fired his guns that day&quot;: He had fired his guns, as you see above, claiming two B-17s...just not at Ye Olde Tub.

I hope you don&#039;t mind my clarifying those points. It&#039;s a great story that I&#039;m glad you published here, and I feel privileged to have talked to both of those men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos for re-telling the story of Brown and Stigler!</p>
<p>I had the honour to record interviews with both men at length, for a radio documentary on the incident. Many others told the story after that, and it certainly deserves to be heard by as many people as possible. In the last few years, though, a couple of errors have crept in, particularly the notion that the bomber was headed in the wrong direction. I suspect that someone not terribly familiar with aviation misinterpreted what he heard: Neither Brown nor Stigler said anything like that. As they related to me on tape, Brown had reached the north sea, and Stigler tried, first, to get him to turn around and land in Germany (which, faced with a heavily armed German fighter, would be a reasonable thing for Brown to do). That wasn&#8217;t happening, so Stigler gestured north toward Sweden, which was the destination for many, many B-17s too damaged to reach England. Brown stayed on course, west, toward England, and Stigler saluted Brown and broke off.</p>
<p>The version that has Stigler turning around the B-17 surfaced in one of those anonymous emails.  It would be almost impossible for a pilot, even in Charlie Brown&#8217;s dazed condition, to not notice that the coast was on the wrong side of his aircraft.</p>
<p>A couple of other minor inaccuracies in that version&#8230;&#8221;Franz Stigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17&#8243;: He wasn&#8217;t ordered. He had already shot down two B-17s, landed, rearmed and refueled, and was about to take off again when Ye Olde Tub appeared at treetop height. All he had to do was close the canopy and hit the throttle.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;all because Franz never fired his guns that day&#8221;: He had fired his guns, as you see above, claiming two B-17s&#8230;just not at Ye Olde Tub.</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mind my clarifying those points. It&#8217;s a great story that I&#8217;m glad you published here, and I feel privileged to have talked to both of those men.</p>
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		<title>By: hairymary100</title>
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		<dc:creator>hairymary100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please leave out this &quot;hand of god&quot;shit, how could you be sure god was/is a &quot;he&quot;, how can you presume to speak the mind of you &quot;omnipotent&quot; god, and if you attribute good acts to this god then you must also commit all the worlds bad acts to it as well including all the child abuse, death and maiming in the name of god. Enough is enough we have no need of gods if we take responsibility for our own moral acts, just as this brave man did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please leave out this &#8220;hand of god&#8221;shit, how could you be sure god was/is a &#8220;he&#8221;, how can you presume to speak the mind of you &#8220;omnipotent&#8221; god, and if you attribute good acts to this god then you must also commit all the worlds bad acts to it as well including all the child abuse, death and maiming in the name of god. Enough is enough we have no need of gods if we take responsibility for our own moral acts, just as this brave man did.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, you are retarded. I don&#039;t know what anyones &quot;god&quot; has to do with this story. It was in the middle of a war. Generally speaking, Jim, opposing sides in war are usually trying to win said war. Since war is usually about conquering the opposing side and since the opposing side will usually be ordered to fight to the death, survival instinct kicks in with &#039;kill or be killed&#039; and thus you have war. Now, how I interpreted this story here was not a biblical hit man adventure starring Keanu Reeves but a story about a beauty of a guy named Franz Stigler who was able to show mercy and compassion in a time where it was frowned upon to do so. A strong man who was able to still apply great, personal moral standards for any human being, regardless of the persuasive propaganda of the day. How you can say that &#039;it is obvious that god wanted all the men in the bomber killed&#039; is far beyond me. Really? Is it that obvious? I mean, maybe I missed reading in between one or two of the lines but that was something I did not see. 

Btw, Shane, that was an interesting point. Sounds cliche, but I think the old saying of &#039;You&#039;ve got to break an egg to make an omelet&#039; would apply here. Things may not change like the flick of a light switch and, thinking long-term for the good of humankind, a positive action of one person that still creates discussion, alternative thinking, and emotes a feeling of humbleness in a significant few 60, 70 years after when it happened may be worth the lives of some. It&#039;s a tough call to make, tho I guess it is up to the people of the world to choose how they learn from this story: 

Consider it an act of god and make no change as someone else will always take care of it or understand it as a personal decision by a man in control of his own life who was more interested in holding his morals than blindly following the word of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, you are retarded. I don&#8217;t know what anyones &#8220;god&#8221; has to do with this story. It was in the middle of a war. Generally speaking, Jim, opposing sides in war are usually trying to win said war. Since war is usually about conquering the opposing side and since the opposing side will usually be ordered to fight to the death, survival instinct kicks in with &#8216;kill or be killed&#8217; and thus you have war. Now, how I interpreted this story here was not a biblical hit man adventure starring Keanu Reeves but a story about a beauty of a guy named Franz Stigler who was able to show mercy and compassion in a time where it was frowned upon to do so. A strong man who was able to still apply great, personal moral standards for any human being, regardless of the persuasive propaganda of the day. How you can say that &#8216;it is obvious that god wanted all the men in the bomber killed&#8217; is far beyond me. Really? Is it that obvious? I mean, maybe I missed reading in between one or two of the lines but that was something I did not see. </p>
<p>Btw, Shane, that was an interesting point. Sounds cliche, but I think the old saying of &#8216;You&#8217;ve got to break an egg to make an omelet&#8217; would apply here. Things may not change like the flick of a light switch and, thinking long-term for the good of humankind, a positive action of one person that still creates discussion, alternative thinking, and emotes a feeling of humbleness in a significant few 60, 70 years after when it happened may be worth the lives of some. It&#8217;s a tough call to make, tho I guess it is up to the people of the world to choose how they learn from this story: </p>
<p>Consider it an act of god and make no change as someone else will always take care of it or understand it as a personal decision by a man in control of his own life who was more interested in holding his morals than blindly following the word of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious that god wanted all of the men in the bomber killed, but the hit men he sent to do the job failed. Stigler&#039;s humanity transcended the barbarity of war, and saved the lives of his enemy thereby thwarting gods feeble plans, and pointing out gods ineptitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that god wanted all of the men in the bomber killed, but the hit men he sent to do the job failed. Stigler&#8217;s humanity transcended the barbarity of war, and saved the lives of his enemy thereby thwarting gods feeble plans, and pointing out gods ineptitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoken like the true person you are.  May you live a long life.  May you always have the freedoms that other provide for you.  As you exercise your freedom of speech, remember the ways in which they were given to you.  To my brothers and sisters in arms, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoken like the true person you are.  May you live a long life.  May you always have the freedoms that other provide for you.  As you exercise your freedom of speech, remember the ways in which they were given to you.  To my brothers and sisters in arms, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Ey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Ey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said Andrew. This was no more and no less than the act of a very decent human being. Franz was a very honorable man. It&#039;s a shame that there aren&#039;t many left in this world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said Andrew. This was no more and no less than the act of a very decent human being. Franz was a very honorable man. It&#8217;s a shame that there aren&#8217;t many left in this world.</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man is capable of great good but is also capable of unspeakable evil.And all that God had to do with any of it (good or bad) was to give his creation FREE WILL.Which is why I roll my eyes when anyone attributes good to &quot;god&#039;s will&quot; and evil to whoever they happen to be disagreeing with at the moment.Both the good AND the evil perpetrated on this earth are works of MAN using that free will God gave us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man is capable of great good but is also capable of unspeakable evil.And all that God had to do with any of it (good or bad) was to give his creation FREE WILL.Which is why I roll my eyes when anyone attributes good to &#8220;god&#8217;s will&#8221; and evil to whoever they happen to be disagreeing with at the moment.Both the good AND the evil perpetrated on this earth are works of MAN using that free will God gave us.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Barry
The germans were lacking everything, they simply did not habe the resources to put a camera into all fighter planes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Barry<br />
The germans were lacking everything, they simply did not habe the resources to put a camera into all fighter planes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie Brown is the name of the pilot not the airplane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie Brown is the name of the pilot not the airplane</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>such a wonderful story...only to be ruined by a bunch of morons who can not just simply &quot;see good&quot; in mankind :sad:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>such a wonderful story&#8230;only to be ruined by a bunch of morons who can not just simply &#8220;see good&#8221; in mankind <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':sad:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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