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	<title>Comments on: How Kosovo Created Its Own Liberal Islam - With Video</title>
	<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/</link>
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		<title>By: TBinSTL (just typical)</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-209932</link>
		<author>TBinSTL (just typical)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>While Totten is one of the "good guys" he is one of those self described, "spiritual but not religious" types which means he really doesn't understand the ease with which a religious fervor can sweep people up. I doubt he has even experienced the personally radical but outwardly mild revolution of a good old Gospel revival...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Totten is one of the &#8220;good guys&#8221; he is one of those self described, &#8220;spiritual but not religious&#8221; types which means he really doesn&#8217;t understand the ease with which a religious fervor can sweep people up. I doubt he has even experienced the personally radical but outwardly mild revolution of a good old Gospel revival&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: First Team Signaleer</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-209975</link>
		<author>First Team Signaleer</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-209975</guid>
					<description>Totten is a "good guy", however he should have done a better job of correlating the lessening of Islamist extremism with the increase of same in Iraq.
I was with the SFOR (second unit in) of the 1st Cav and worked in a sensitive area that tracked any changes in immigration and population in the AOR. The number of Islamist's streaming into the country back in 1996 was comparable to what we see today in Iraq. Of course we could not engage back then.
My point is, the jihadi's flow to where they think they can be martyred and kill Americans. 
There is a real story here, Totten, though, has glossed over that story. The jihadi's that flowed into Kosovo in the 90's have now gone to Iraq and been eliminated without prejudice. That's the story, if I had the resources that Totten has I would do a better job of getting my point across.
Is it any wonder the 9-11 attacks were planned and logistics were handled out of Germany? That's where they were at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totten is a &#8220;good guy&#8221;, however he should have done a better job of correlating the lessening of Islamist extremism with the increase of same in Iraq.<br />
I was with the SFOR (second unit in) of the 1st Cav and worked in a sensitive area that tracked any changes in immigration and population in the AOR. The number of Islamist&#8217;s streaming into the country back in 1996 was comparable to what we see today in Iraq. Of course we could not engage back then.<br />
My point is, the jihadi&#8217;s flow to where they think they can be martyred and kill Americans.<br />
There is a real story here, Totten, though, has glossed over that story. The jihadi&#8217;s that flowed into Kosovo in the 90&#8217;s have now gone to Iraq and been eliminated without prejudice. That&#8217;s the story, if I had the resources that Totten has I would do a better job of getting my point across.<br />
Is it any wonder the 9-11 attacks were planned and logistics were handled out of Germany? That&#8217;s where they were at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: First Team Signaleer</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-209981</link>
		<author>First Team Signaleer</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-209981</guid>
					<description>Hey TB,
I'm in StL until the 3rd of July. Wanna have a beer and shoot some guns, or we could just cling to our Bible's and our guns and our racism.
I usually just sit in my hotel room and cling, but I'd be willing to meet a fellow Dollard-ite for a malted beverage.
packfan61@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey TB,<br />
I&#8217;m in StL until the 3rd of July. Wanna have a beer and shoot some guns, or we could just cling to our Bible&#8217;s and our guns and our racism.<br />
I usually just sit in my hotel room and cling, but I&#8217;d be willing to meet a fellow Dollard-ite for a malted beverage.<br />
<a href="mailto:packfan61@hotmail.com">packfan61@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: RC</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-210001</link>
		<author>RC</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-210001</guid>
					<description>Kosovo is the center of narco-terrorisn and arms smuggling, and the heart of mujaheddin movement in Europe. It's so called independence is a testament to the ignorance of the UN and the EU, and the levels to which these organizations seek to appease Islam for the sake of appearing fair. Indeed many muslim Albanians are happy converts from Ottoman times, and carry on a tradition of pogroms against Christians as their Turkish muslim brothers have for centuries.

There are far too many accounts of Christian persecution to list here. A recent example of such persecution is happening in Turkey where the &lt;a href="http://www.persecution.org/suffering/newssummpopup.php?newscode=8024&#38;PHPSESSID=3ed94c3b3696cb646dd6618c5113c786" rel="nofollow"&gt;Turkish govt is denying fresh water to Churches&lt;/a&gt;, while mosques are by law granted free water all year round. The animosity towards Christian populations (what little is left of them) is beyond terrible and deeply rooted in Islam. 

The video above is another example of the fundamental hate for Christians muslims have in that region. One can go back to the Eastern Christian genocides in Asia Minor and Armenia  also. In Smyrna in 1922, as a fleet of Western naval ships stationed off its harbor, Turkish madman Enver Pasha went about wiping off the map a beautiful old city and its rich culture of three thousand years in just 3 days. It is well known amongst Islamist that &lt;a href="http://www.metimes.com/Opinion/2008/06/24/similarities_between_bin_laden_and_enver_pasha/2592/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Osama holds Enver Pasha highly&lt;/a&gt;, and even likens himself to him. It's with little wonder then that the KLA allied themselves early on with Al'Queda. 

US Ambassador to Turkey Henry Morgenthau - "And for centuries the Turks simply lived like parasites upon these overburdened and industrious people. They taxed them to economic extinction, stole their most beautiful daughters and forced them into their harems, took Christian male infants by the hundreds of thousands and brought them up as Moslem soldiers. I have no intention of describing the terrible vassalage and oppression that went on for five centuries; my purpose is merely to emphasize this innate attitude of the Moslem Turk to people not of his own race and religion---that they are not human beings with rights, but merely chattels, which may be permitted to live when they promote the interest of their masters, but which may be pitilessly destroyed when they have ceased to be useful. This attitude is intensified by a total disregard for human life and an intense delight in inflicting physical human suffering which are not unusually the qualities of primitive peoples."

One of the most harrowing accounts that I have read concerns the slaying of Metropolitan Bishop Chrysostomos who was offered refuge in the French embassy but refused it to stay with his flock:

"On 9 September crowds were rushing into the cathedral for shelter when Chrysostomos, pale from fasting and lack of sleep, led his last prayer. The Divine Liturgy ended as Turkish police came to the church and led Chrysostomos away. The Turkish General Nouredin Pasha, known as the "butcher of Ionia", first spat on the Metropolitan and informed him that a tribunal in Angora (now Ankara) had already condemned him to death. A mob fell upon Chrysostomos and tore out his eyes. Bleeding profusely, he was dragged through the streets by his beard. He was beaten and kicked and parts of his body were cut off. All the while Chrysostomos, his face covered with blood, prayed: "Holy Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Every now and then, when he had the strength, he would raise his hand and bless his persecutors; a Turk, realizing what the Metropolitan was doing, cut off his hand with a sword. Metropolitan Chrysostomos was then hacked to pieced by the angry mob."

US Diplomat George Horton's own first hand accounts of the systematic extermination of Christians is well documented in his book &lt;a href="http://www.pahh.com/horton/index.html#ch33" rel="nofollow"&gt;"The Blight of Asia"&lt;/a&gt;, a must read for anyone wanting to know the Islam's true hostile nature of and utter contempt for Christians.

Almost a century on the international community has not learned anything, rewarding these same primitive people and Islamic terrorists a state of their own within Europe. This is beyond blissful ignorance, it's stupidity of the highest order and outright shameful!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kosovo is the center of narco-terrorisn and arms smuggling, and the heart of mujaheddin movement in Europe. It&#8217;s so called independence is a testament to the ignorance of the UN and the EU, and the levels to which these organizations seek to appease Islam for the sake of appearing fair. Indeed many muslim Albanians are happy converts from Ottoman times, and carry on a tradition of pogroms against Christians as their Turkish muslim brothers have for centuries.</p>
<p>There are far too many accounts of Christian persecution to list here. A recent example of such persecution is happening in Turkey where the <a href="http://www.persecution.org/suffering/newssummpopup.php?newscode=8024&amp;PHPSESSID=3ed94c3b3696cb646dd6618c5113c786" rel="nofollow">Turkish govt is denying fresh water to Churches</a>, while mosques are by law granted free water all year round. The animosity towards Christian populations (what little is left of them) is beyond terrible and deeply rooted in Islam. </p>
<p>The video above is another example of the fundamental hate for Christians muslims have in that region. One can go back to the Eastern Christian genocides in Asia Minor and Armenia  also. In Smyrna in 1922, as a fleet of Western naval ships stationed off its harbor, Turkish madman Enver Pasha went about wiping off the map a beautiful old city and its rich culture of three thousand years in just 3 days. It is well known amongst Islamist that <a href="http://www.metimes.com/Opinion/2008/06/24/similarities_between_bin_laden_and_enver_pasha/2592/" rel="nofollow">Osama holds Enver Pasha highly</a>, and even likens himself to him. It&#8217;s with little wonder then that the KLA allied themselves early on with Al&#8217;Queda. </p>
<p>US Ambassador to Turkey Henry Morgenthau - &#8220;And for centuries the Turks simply lived like parasites upon these overburdened and industrious people. They taxed them to economic extinction, stole their most beautiful daughters and forced them into their harems, took Christian male infants by the hundreds of thousands and brought them up as Moslem soldiers. I have no intention of describing the terrible vassalage and oppression that went on for five centuries; my purpose is merely to emphasize this innate attitude of the Moslem Turk to people not of his own race and religion&#8212;that they are not human beings with rights, but merely chattels, which may be permitted to live when they promote the interest of their masters, but which may be pitilessly destroyed when they have ceased to be useful. This attitude is intensified by a total disregard for human life and an intense delight in inflicting physical human suffering which are not unusually the qualities of primitive peoples.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the most harrowing accounts that I have read concerns the slaying of Metropolitan Bishop Chrysostomos who was offered refuge in the French embassy but refused it to stay with his flock:</p>
<p>&#8220;On 9 September crowds were rushing into the cathedral for shelter when Chrysostomos, pale from fasting and lack of sleep, led his last prayer. The Divine Liturgy ended as Turkish police came to the church and led Chrysostomos away. The Turkish General Nouredin Pasha, known as the &#8220;butcher of Ionia&#8221;, first spat on the Metropolitan and informed him that a tribunal in Angora (now Ankara) had already condemned him to death. A mob fell upon Chrysostomos and tore out his eyes. Bleeding profusely, he was dragged through the streets by his beard. He was beaten and kicked and parts of his body were cut off. All the while Chrysostomos, his face covered with blood, prayed: &#8220;Holy Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.&#8221; Every now and then, when he had the strength, he would raise his hand and bless his persecutors; a Turk, realizing what the Metropolitan was doing, cut off his hand with a sword. Metropolitan Chrysostomos was then hacked to pieced by the angry mob.&#8221;</p>
<p>US Diplomat George Horton&#8217;s own first hand accounts of the systematic extermination of Christians is well documented in his book <a href="http://www.pahh.com/horton/index.html#ch33" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Blight of Asia&#8221;</a>, a must read for anyone wanting to know the Islam&#8217;s true hostile nature of and utter contempt for Christians.</p>
<p>Almost a century on the international community has not learned anything, rewarding these same primitive people and Islamic terrorists a state of their own within Europe. This is beyond blissful ignorance, it&#8217;s stupidity of the highest order and outright shameful!!</p>
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		<title>By: franchie</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-210139</link>
		<author>franchie</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patdollard.com/2008/06/how-kosovo-created-its-own-liberal-islam-with-video/#comment-210139</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;There is no need for Arabs to come here. I have no need for their suggestions, no need for their explanations. We created our Islam ourselves here, and we can continue our Islam with our own minds&lt;/i&gt;

The Saudi, bomb them !

&lt;i&gt;Kosovo is the center of narco-terrorisn and arms smuggling, and the heart of mujaheddin movement in Europe. It’s so called independence is a testament to the ignorance of the UN and the EU, and the levels to which these organizations seek to appease Islam for the sake of appearing fair. Indeed many muslim Albanians are happy converts from Ottoman times, and carry on a tradition of pogroms against Christians as their Turkish muslim brothers have for centuries.&lt;/i&gt;

no Americans policy there of course !  wasn't Bush one of the firsts who acknoledged the independance ? (could be to damn Putin's dices there, nah ?)  you also forgot Clinton's interventions, that he provided arms to the muslims there. The aims were to demonised the Serbs, but we, Europeans were fooled in following the "All bright" policy conception. The EU Nato nations didn't see the point there : keeping a conflict alive in the EU inside borders, so that the US could still control EU armies and define their objectives.

As far as Turkey integrating the EU, this is also an american idea, though  one sees in Turkey, 2 faces, the europen one, yeah, their soccer team was great in the EU championship ! and the islamist one, that is well described above. Though, just for that one, we can't trust Turkey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There is no need for Arabs to come here. I have no need for their suggestions, no need for their explanations. We created our Islam ourselves here, and we can continue our Islam with our own minds</i></p>
<p>The Saudi, bomb them !</p>
<p><i>Kosovo is the center of narco-terrorisn and arms smuggling, and the heart of mujaheddin movement in Europe. It’s so called independence is a testament to the ignorance of the UN and the EU, and the levels to which these organizations seek to appease Islam for the sake of appearing fair. Indeed many muslim Albanians are happy converts from Ottoman times, and carry on a tradition of pogroms against Christians as their Turkish muslim brothers have for centuries.</i></p>
<p>no Americans policy there of course !  wasn&#8217;t Bush one of the firsts who acknoledged the independance ? (could be to damn Putin&#8217;s dices there, nah ?)  you also forgot Clinton&#8217;s interventions, that he provided arms to the muslims there. The aims were to demonised the Serbs, but we, Europeans were fooled in following the &#8220;All bright&#8221; policy conception. The EU Nato nations didn&#8217;t see the point there : keeping a conflict alive in the EU inside borders, so that the US could still control EU armies and define their objectives.</p>
<p>As far as Turkey integrating the EU, this is also an american idea, though  one sees in Turkey, 2 faces, the europen one, yeah, their soccer team was great in the EU championship ! and the islamist one, that is well described above. Though, just for that one, we can&#8217;t trust Turkey.</p>
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