Comments on: Blackwater Getting Out Of Security Business http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/ The latest in policital news and the war in Iraq Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:50:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: SOC http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228029 SOC Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:03:45 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228029 Could not have done the job as easily without them. Could not have done the job as easily without them.

]]> By: Arthuraria http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228045 Arthuraria Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:21:10 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228045 “In my mind, the fundamental question that remains unanswered is this: Why have we come to rely on private contractors to provide combat or combat-related security training for our forces?” Gates wrote in a July 10 memo to the Pentagon’s top military officer, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen. “Further, are we comfortable with this practice, and do we fully understand the implications in terms of quality, responsiveness and sustainability?” ------------------- Personally, as a citizen, I am comfortable with whomever can get the job done in the most effective and efficient manner. War is never really "cost effective" and the old saying goes that you get what you pay for - which is another reason why are military is also so much better now because we spend so much more money training and equipping them than ever before. On a side note, speaking about the increased use of private companies in combat and security operations, anyone ever seen the movie "The Mutant Chronicles?" Classic example of vilification of major corporations. “In my mind, the fundamental question that remains unanswered is this: Why have we come to rely on private contractors to provide combat or combat-related security training for our forces?” Gates wrote in a July 10 memo to the Pentagon’s top military officer, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen.

“Further, are we comfortable with this practice, and do we fully understand the implications in terms of quality, responsiveness and sustainability?”

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Personally, as a citizen, I am comfortable with whomever can get the job done in the most effective and efficient manner. War is never really “cost effective” and the old saying goes that you get what you pay for - which is another reason why are military is also so much better now because we spend so much more money training and equipping them than ever before.

On a side note, speaking about the increased use of private companies in combat and security operations, anyone ever seen the movie “The Mutant Chronicles?” Classic example of vilification of major corporations.

]]> By: Ji http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228091 Ji Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:11:17 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228091 They were hired because they could do things the military couldnt. All those rules and regs didnt apply to them. Since when can the DOJ get involved over something that happened in Iraq? They were hired because they could do things the military couldnt. All those rules and regs didnt apply to them. Since when can the DOJ get involved over something that happened in Iraq?

]]> By: Ji http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228093 Ji Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:13:22 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228093 Thats why I havent seen the Mutant Chronicles. The best stuff to come out of Hollywood is SciFi or comic book characters. The rest is garbage. Thats why I havent seen the Mutant Chronicles.
The best stuff to come out of Hollywood is SciFi or comic book characters. The rest is garbage.

]]> By: Marc http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228126 Marc Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:58:12 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228126 The reason Blackwater and other companies have stepped in to provide personal protective services and logistical support for example, is because the military was gutted and outsourced over the tenure of the Clinton administration without a bat of a lash by the majority Republican Congress. Jobs many soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines were more than capable of doing and at a relatively minimal cost in comparison to the expense of private contracting, are now being done by civilians. That is just the fact of the matter and there is no reason to bellyache. Besides, who else are they going to get to do the heavy lifting? Code Pink, Kos, or the rest of the Moon Bat Legions I forgot they are too busy providing material support and comfort for Al-Qaeda. The reason Blackwater and other companies have stepped in to provide personal protective services and logistical support for example, is because the military was gutted and outsourced over the tenure of the Clinton administration without a bat of a lash by the majority Republican Congress.

Jobs many soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines were more than capable of doing and at a relatively minimal cost in comparison to the expense of private contracting, are now being done by civilians. That is just the fact of the matter and there is no reason to bellyache.

Besides, who else are they going to get to do the heavy lifting? Code Pink, Kos, or the rest of the Moon Bat Legions I forgot they are too busy providing material support and comfort for Al-Qaeda.

]]> By: dwallu http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228160 dwallu Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:24:48 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228160 How did they get webb to join code pink? How did they get webb to join code pink?

]]> By: TBinSTL (just typical) http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228227 TBinSTL (just typical) Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:29:48 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228227 :arrow: dwallu How did they get webb to join code pink? July 21st, 2008 at 8:24 pm ---------------------------------- He was a "walk on". :arrow: dwallu

How did they get webb to join code pink?

July 21st, 2008 at 8:24 pm
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He was a “walk on”.

]]> By: franchie http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228449 franchie Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:35:26 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228449 well, that Eric Prince is a businesses man ; he understood the marcket ; now, he knows that the opportunities are getting tight in that sort of business. <i>They were hired because they could do things the military couldnt. </i> and I would add that the army "code of honor" wouldn't allow either. Can't see there is something "noble" in that "work" ; though I know that the armies through the centuries had more often hired mercenaries. y compris, Napoleon : the "Kravat regiments" (Croatians) well, that Eric Prince is a businesses man ;
he understood the marcket ; now, he knows that the opportunities are getting tight in that sort of business.

They were hired because they could do things the military couldnt. and I would add that the army “code of honor” wouldn’t allow either.

Can’t see there is something “noble” in that “work” ; though I know that the armies through the centuries had more often hired mercenaries.

y compris, Napoleon : the “Kravat regiments” (Croatians)

]]> By: Stephen Abbott http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228558 Stephen Abbott Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:11:00 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228558 franchie, allow me to suggest you locate a dictionary and look up the word, "mercenary". A mercenary is one who fights a war for a foreign government.....much like the example in your post. The private contractors for these companies are not, by definition, mercenaries. Not only are what they doing noble and honorable, it is necessary as the military just does not have the number of personal to carry out all duties and details that they are tasked to accomplish. Most of the contractors have advanced, post graduate degrees. All, have decades and decades of experience, both military and police. franchie, allow me to suggest you locate a dictionary and look up the word, “mercenary”. A mercenary is one who fights a war for a foreign government…..much like the example in your post. The private contractors for these companies are not, by definition, mercenaries.

Not only are what they doing noble and honorable, it is necessary as the military just does not have the number of personal to carry out all duties and details that they are tasked to accomplish.

Most of the contractors have advanced, post graduate degrees. All, have decades and decades of experience, both military and police.

]]> By: franchie http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228603 franchie Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:29:01 +0000 http://patdollard.com/2008/07/blackwater-getting-out-of-security-business/#comment-228603 <i>mer·ce·nar·y (mûrs-nr) adj. 1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain. 2. Hired for service in a foreign army. n. pl. mer·ce·nar·ies 1. One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling. 2. A professional soldier hired for service in a foreign army.</i> OK, my interpretation came unfortunately cause I read that these "contractors" also hired foreign "employees"... Southern Africa, former french legionnaires.... there were also advertisings in our papers for such jobs <i>Most of the contractors have advanced, post graduate degrees. All, have decades and decades of experience, both military and police.</i> OK, they are not the "stores guards" that we commoly refer to when we think of private contractors Cies, but "professionnals" that also master english language mer·ce·nar·y (mûrs-nr)
adj.
1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
2. Hired for service in a foreign army.
n. pl. mer·ce·nar·ies
1. One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling.
2. A professional soldier hired for service in a foreign army.

OK, my interpretation came unfortunately cause I read that these “contractors” also hired foreign “employees”…
Southern Africa, former french legionnaires….

there were also advertisings in our papers for such jobs

Most of the contractors have advanced, post graduate degrees. All, have decades and decades of experience, both military and police.

OK, they are not the “stores guards” that we commoly refer to when we think of private contractors Cies, but “professionnals” that also master english language

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