Aid Deliveries Cover For NATO Build Up
A top Russian general has accused NATO of setting up a naval force in the Black Sea under the ‘cover’ of aid deliveries to Georgia.
I’ve been saying what the general’s now saying, for about a week. Last week, we were about the only website to boldy put up a story headlined: Bush Orders Troops To Georgia. A lot of people said I was full of shit, since all we were sending were “humanitarian missions”. To me this was clear cover for Bush to exploit the opening he saw to get ships and boots and spies and material and gear and munitions on the ground. This was the most defensible way to hold the Russians in check, eject them, protect Georgia’s territorial integrity, and rebuild their military, all while fasttracking them into NATO, so that any future attack by Russia would be equal to an attack on any NATO nation, and merit the same vigourous military response. At the time I wrote this:
“Let’s be clear. This isn’t just about humanitarian aid. It’s about the fact that the Russians will not commit anymore mayhem like the massacres of civilians they’ve already engaged in, and in fact will not stay, if the U.S. military is based for awhile in Georgia. Note Bush’s clear line that implies that we will stay in Georgia for as long as it takes to eject the Russians, and any undue influence they may have. In a way, it’s as if we’re annexing Georgia as a military protectorate: “The mission will be vigorous and ongoing,” It is a clear signal to Putin that fucking with Georgia, and by extension the Ukraine, is in some way like fucking with us. Interesting scenario. Russian, Georgian and U.S. armies in Georgia all at once, at a time like this.”
The MSM and most others weren’t catching on to this, because they just don’t much think in terms of real geopoltical and military strategy. They’re too busy trying to make the world fit their view of it, instead of actually trying to understand how the world really is, how it really works, and what a nation must do to protect its vital interests. Hell they don’t even have a clue as to what a vital interest is. In their mind, a vital interest is some sort of national pathologically self-centered evil.
The general is not a paranoid propagandist. He’s right, and anyone familiar with military thinking and strategy knows he is. We have NATO’s Supreme Allied Commaneder, an Amercan general, on the ground in Tbilisi, running our end of things, preparing the table logistically. This is why I said “Let’s just see if the Russans deny our destroyer and it’s crew entry”. The Russians know it’s no small deal to have warships with guns that can hit many targets, sitting in Georgian ports, with those guns pointed right up their asses. And how much time will our crews spend on the ground? What HET and intel teams and special forces and other operatives are amongst them?
NATO’s supreme allied commander for Europe, U.S. Gen. John Craddock, right, shakes hands with Georgian soldiers unloading U.S. humanitarian aid at Tbilisi airport on Friday, Aug. 22, 2008.
Yesterday, the Brits threatened to send ships with nukes rght into the Black Sea. The Russians wanted to play “we can go into Georgia, and then leave” bad-asses. Well, the problem is, half-measures don’t work. You’re not as clever as you think you are, Vlad. Now that you’ve halfway conquered Georgia by rolling in and then leaving, you’ve left the door wide open for us to enter, and we’re already coming through. You’ve done little more than to create a Georgia/US/Nato threat right at your doorstep bigger than the one you rolled into and smacked around. If you want to start shooting as we come in, go for it. Your creeky, thin-skinned military is no match, and no matter how big of a bad-ass you play in the movies, you ain’t launching no nukes.
Yes, our aid is going to creep into reinforcments, and you can just suck it up or start swinging. Either way, we’ll be happy.
Once again, Iran’s Press TV: h/t Mike In VA
A top Russian general has accused NATO of setting up a naval force in the Black Sea under the ‘cover’ of aid deliveries to Georgia.
“Under the cover of needing to deliver humanitarian goods, NATO countries continue to boost their naval grouping,” Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of general staff, told a news conference in Moscow.
Nogovitsyn made the remark after Pentagon said several US ships, led by the destroyer USS McFaul, were heading for Georgia for deliveries of humanitarian aid.
NATO battleships entered the Black Sea on Thursday for military exercises with Romania and Bulgaria. The alliance has rejected any links between the move and the South Ossetia conflict.
Pentagon claims the naval ship is for aid deliveries to Georgia.
Nogovitsyn said the US move would not help ’stabilize the situation’ in South Ossetia, which saw days of military conflict between Russia and Georgia after Tbilisi began an offensive to regain control of the breakaway region.
Nogovitsyn rejected Georgia’s claims that Moscow was not complying with a France-brokered peace agreement between Moscow and Tbilisi to end the conflict.
He said Russian forces will patrol and keep control over Georgia’s main commercial port of Poti, maintaining that this would not violate the agreement.
The six-point peace plan allows Russian peacekeepers to take ‘additional security measures’ in a buffer zone near South Ossetia until international peacekeepers are deployed.
Nogovitsyn also accused Georgia of preparing guerilla attacks in South Ossetia, where a Russian peacekeeping force of about 2,600 troops are stationed.
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Time to start sending in AT-4’s, Javelin’s, and TOW’s all rolled up nice in those blankets. With even a just a little air cover from any NATO nation the commies don’t stand a chance. Russian men will fry in their tanks en masse.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:15 amYou are thinking out loud what I am suspecting Pat. We are sending our Navy right through the heart of the Russian Navy and mark my words, they see it as it really is.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:36 amscince GW announced that the Def.Sec. Gates will be in charge of deliveries i had not doubt about what that meant…and its kinda funny russians are starting to whine about their “rights” to control our port city… who the fuck are they to say that - get the fuck out, thats a clear provocation awaiting for georgian response…all we have to do is just to set up a perimeter around their check-points so they wont stick their noses in our biz…i agree with the russian general, and his statement is a sign of weakness…last night i personally saw/heard about 8 cargo planws landing in at the airport - thats a lot of “humanitarian” help :))))))
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:29 ami wonder how the democrats/liberals are gonna continue saying that the US has lost its “used to be” influence, what a fucking defeatist statements are those, the US is on top of its game
cheers
Should be interesting…Meanwhile Shepard Smith on FOX is all breathless and gaga about Joe Biden. WGAF! yawn!
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:31 amThis whole ideal of a ‘NATO response is bunk. There is no NATO at least not as far as a military force is concerned. It’s really only the US, France and maybe Britain-for a few more years anyway. The other members have not adequately maintained the required spending levels to maintain a sufficient fighting force. They are too busy enhancing their social nanny states. They have used the goodness of the American taxpayer to subsidize their defenses while providing tax breaks and incentives to their corporations. This is why the NATO’s mission in Afghanistan is not progressing, we are not failing our allies, our allies are failing us, and NATO. The Germans piss me off more than anything. What the hell, sending troops to a fight in Afghanistan that aren’t allowed to fight? WTF? They should just quit and take their sorry asses back to to Rhineland. Europe, the EU or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days need to put up or shut up because the bills are coming due and we can’t continue to carry them on our backs militarily.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:52 amYour initial read was spot on Pat and continues to be so. Right now we are checking Pooty’s move which, however bold it was, has left us a path.
What will our checkmate move be? Docking in Sevastopol once their navy is denied access by the Ukrainians? Newly announced training exercises with Russia’s greatest threat China? Or maybe annihilation of Pooty’s favorite ME nation Iran?
I’m not too sure anything will happen before inauguration though. I think the boldness of our next few moves depends on who wins in November.
What do ya’ll think?
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 amWho came first, the Iranian general or the Russian general? Were they coached by Bagdad Bob?
To me the humanitarian aid via US C17s was brilliant. The kommies, err Ruskies could not shoot them down nor stop them. And is not anti-air weapons humanatarian aid?
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:03 amThe humanitarian aid gambit is quite clever, as was populating Tbilisi with diplomats and now a general. This greatly raises the stakes for further Russian depradations, as they would endanger high ranking Western leaders, and now US and NATO military forces.
It will be interesting if the “humanitarian aid” fleet docks at Poti to deliver the supplies. Will NATO forces accompany the humanitarian aid convoys through the surrounding Russian lines?
Note, btw, that from a pure military standpoint, putting US ships into that area is probably dangerous, should the Russians decide on a shootout. The ships are bottled up in the black sea, perhaps with some Russian subs, and within range of Russian air and missile attacks. If Russia decided to take on the fleet (which I doubt, but mistakes happen), they might very well destroy it.
It will be interesting to see if Russia responds outside the zone of conflict - such as putting military bases in Venezuela, or increasing help to Iran.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 amI fucking knew it.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:45 pmGO BUSH GO
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:12 pmI’d volunteer to man the “tripwire” in a minute. Maybe I could do that since I’m too old and broken down to join up.
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:32 pm
TBinSTL
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pmsure agree, wish there was a place for us older guy’s, sittin this out is tough.
Keep in mind the diplomatic strategy of putting missiles and troops in Poland.
Check Mate should be announcing Ukraine as latest member of NATO.
I expect to see one Stryker Bde in there within the next few weeks. Remember the Stryker is for Military Police too, that justifies it’s involvement, but make no mistake that Stryker Bde is a Brigade Combat Team.
USNA1985 is correct, NATO is a shell of what it once was. That is totally why this gambit will work because the new “free” ex-Soviet Block countries pay their bills and are willing to supply troops to maintain their new found freedom. They will be the new heart of NATO.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:42 pmWhen Pooty Poot figures out the soft underbelly of Europe is the same as it has always been, Germany, France and Scandanavia. He will move in that direction towards the West. That is when the geopolitical shift of power to the East will thrive led by The U.S. and it’s allies India, Japan, Korea, Poland, Ukraine, Australia, Iraq, Bahrain, and our new found friends in Africa. Just wish I could live long enough to see the western Euros come crawling back to the US for help.
1. Pres. Bush has been taking a lot of heated flack for supposedly NOT rushing into Georgia. Every situation … every [theater] is different, as are the [players] in those T.O.s … The media and talking heads, even the ones who usually supposedly support Pres. Bush, operate under this cookie-cutter mentality of war and/or diplomacy, when there are soooo many factors these dolts aren’t privy to behind the scenes of each individual situation. And each situation calls for a specific tactic, strategy, and action … amid specific timing. To think Bush and our intel, and that of Georgia, didn’t see this coming is ludicrous. However, I somehow have the feeling this is one of those ‘acceptable losses’ situations that they were hoping would be too high a cost, although costly enough.
1a. I believe Russia and Iran had this plan that they figured we WOULD at least send jets to Georgia … and by that crossing over Iranian air space to the north so Iran could scream “act of war!” and have reason to sound the war drums, with Russia and probably even Syria jumping in … The only way Iran could have any effective onslaught would be to cause chaos by having such a possible ‘bench-clearing’ or third and forth man in scenario.
2. I posted a story this week about Putin sending in Chechen mercenaries … Muslims invaders into a basically Christian country. These are not polished, highly trained Russian soldiers … These are blood-thirty thugs and murderers. From a country that Putin and Russia have, since the fall of the USSR, routinely pissed and crapped all over. This too was by design, and more than likely co-negotiated with Amydidherdad and Iran to get them to cooperate.
http://patdollard.com/2008/08/russ-putin-sends-in-the-muslims-to-terrorize-the-christians-russia-unleashes-chechen-thugs/
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A top Russian general has accused NATO of setting up a naval force in the Black Sea under the ‘cover’ of aid deliveries to Georgia.
Oh! I sure the hell hope so … 
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:55 pmWarfare is the Way of deception.
Therefore, if able, appear unable, if active, appear not active, if near, appear far, if far, appear near.
If they have advantage, entice them; if they are confused, take them, if they are substantial, prepare for them, if they are strong, avoid them, if they are angry, disturb them, if they are humble, make them haughty, if they are relaxed, toil them, if they are united, separate them.
Attack where they are not prepared, go out to where they do not expect.
There is more to warfare than just blindly charging in.
August 24th, 2008 at 6:21 amUSS McFaul DDG-74 arrives with aid. Now docked at Georgian port of Batumi.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92OMN601&show_article=1&catnum=0
August 24th, 2008 at 6:29 amSo? What are you going to do about it biatch?
August 24th, 2008 at 1:11 pmLike I said a few days ago…Bush and Condi were not going to spoil their hand by showing it.
Bush is probably one of the smartest presidents we’ve ever had in office. I wish he could be elected to a third term.
August 24th, 2008 at 1:35 pmI wouldn’t play poker with him …
August 24th, 2008 at 4:44 pmWell then, I guess the Russians will refuse our generosity the next time there is a disaster in Russia!
August 25th, 2008 at 2:40 am