Calling Dollard Nation: Bash Challenges You To Name Movies That Slam Our Military
Okay, listen up!
My reasons for asking will become clearer in the upcoming days and weeks ahead, but I would like to pick your brain, Oh faithful Dollard Reader…
I would like you to try and name a few Hollywood movies, beginning in the 40’s and going right up through today, that portray America and the American Military in a bad light, as the bad guys. I’m not talking about some Japanese propaganda flick from 1943. I’m talking Hollywood, Tinsel Town wastes of celluloid like “Redacted” or “Casualties of War”…
List as many as you can.
More will be revealed…
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Platoon for sure
August 7th, 2008 at 8:30 pmApocalypse Now
August 7th, 2008 at 8:43 pmRedacted
August 7th, 2008 at 8:43 pmThree Kings
August 7th, 2008 at 8:51 pmStop-Loss
August 7th, 2008 at 8:51 pmRendition
August 7th, 2008 at 8:51 pmThe worst scene for me in Platoon was the one where the soldier bashes in the one-legged, retarded boy’s head with the butt of his rifle inside the hut while the boy’s poor mother watched and cried in terror and horror … smashing his skull to mush and killing him. And I believe his soldier buddies stood around and cheered him on …
You know, I didn’t go to the theater to see Platoon … I watched it when it first hit HBO years back …
I got up from the couch and went into the bathroom and actually puked.
To this day whenever that movie is on I can’t watch that scene …
August 7th, 2008 at 8:51 pmUnder siege… the rock…red dawn…operation pettycoat…operation dumbo….thats to the start of my list.
August 7th, 2008 at 8:58 pmIn the Valley of Elah
August 7th, 2008 at 8:59 pmLions for Lambs
Jarhead
Home of the Brave
Born on the Fourth of July
The Deer Hunter
MASH
Coming Home
Tigerland
You thought red dawn - the commie whopping shoot em up - bashed our troops?
That movie is written by one of the only “out and proud” conservatives in hollywood.
To answer the question of this thread, I think Forrest Gump is the worst actually. All the troops in the movie are disinterested, clueless, mildly retarded, or stereotypically close-minded. And when they come home, they all hated the war apparently. But then again, the Vietnam part is only a relatively small part of the movie.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:06 pmAnything by Steven Seagal …
Hollywood made anti-American, anti military movies back in the 1940s?
August 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm“Casualties of War,” a Brian De Palma film about Vietnam, starring Michael J. Fox and Sean Penn.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pmI thought red dawn was a bash on our troops becuase the movie left it to high school kids to do whta our militray couldnt do..which like O says….”we cant trust the us military to defen america”
Thats all.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Dbo
August 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm.Red Dawn basically said like the big O says “the american military cannot defend the USA” it left the defense to high school kids….I mean Catch-22 or Slaughter house 5 could be listed here…
Dbo….Red Dawn basically said liek the big O says “the american military cannot defend the USA” it left the defense to high school kids….I mean Catch-22 or Slaughter house 5 coudl be listed here…
August 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pmKubrick is the greatest film maker ever, but I have to add:
August 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmDr. Strangelove and Full Metal Jacket.
“Platoon”, “Heaven And Earth” both by Oliver Stone. Both show GI’s as crazed pot-smoking killers. Stone is a asshole beholding to his weed and his leftist chump buddies in Hollyweird.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:27 pmAlso,
“Jacob’s Ladder” -1990’s film with Tim Robbins that at the ending alleges that the Army experimented with some Vietnam soldiers using the drug BZ to make them fight more aggressively.
“American Beauty” with Chris Cooper as the aloof and sexually confused bad father/former serviceman.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:33 pmHe was much better in “October Sky.”
Actually, for me anyway, “Red Dawn” strongly promoted and completely enforced the biggest and most basic root reason behind our Second Amendment …
August 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pmAll Quiet On The Western Front.The original anti war anti military movie.Just replace the nationality of the characters.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pmYou can add “Catch-22″ “Dr Strangelove” and “The Quiet American” to your list.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pmMars Attacks
August 7th, 2008 at 9:48 pmEvery flick that was made after John Wayne’s “The Green Berets”, with the one exception of “Red Dawn” (Drill - :beer:).
How’d I do?
August 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmA few good men. especially jack nicholsons character
August 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pmBash is using us all. He’s going to produce a film festival for Hollywood, and we are choosing the program. The Peace Film festival will be on some fucking island in Hawaii. He’ll be living large next winter while we all freeze. Louie’s uncle Louie is really Louie B. Mayer (the second).
August 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pmBlueOval8950:
rightangle:
Thanks for adding “Three Kings” and “American Beauty.” They’ve fallen off the radar screen but they’re still despicable.
August 7th, 2008 at 10:25 pmI actually thought Nicholson’s character’s ’speech’ on the witness stand about “You need me on that wall …” back-fired on the writer/director’s intent …
I have ALWAYS taken that speech as the cold hard truth about the generally ‘thankless’ role of our military to this country, and how we take them for granted.
It has never struck me as a negative …
However, Nicholson’s character up to that speech, and after it … yeah, I see your point.
August 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pmIt’s my understanding that “A Few Good Men” was based on a true story and the Director, Rob Reiner
(Meathead) literally reversed the ending so that the two young Marines were convicted, when in fact they were acquitted!
The Nicholson character I don’t know about.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:23 pmJohnny Got His Gun is the ultimate anti-war movie.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:50 pmGotta differ with Z on Red Dawn too.
Bunny, the character that bashed the kid’s head in was Kevin Dillon if I remember correctly. One of the most disturbing lines ever, “did you ever see a head come apart like that?”
Some of those movies were obviously intended to slam the Military but missed the mark in my mind. Platoon was one of them. It mostly got me mad about how we mistreated the men that went. I also had to get some satisfaction in the “frag justice” that came about. That war was all kinds of fucked up and it was reflected in that movie.
Apocalypse Now was self indulgent navel gazing as far as I’m concerned and I can’t watch the scenes with Col Kurtz because he reminds me of my father way too much.
Most of the movies I would have suggested have already been mentioned but I don’t think it’s out of line to mention Stripes. I laughed my ass off when I saw it the first time but it was on cable recently and all I got was disgusted…had to change the channel.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:53 pmGood Morning Vietnam. Robin Williams character would never had been allowed to say and do the things he did in the movie. If I remember correctly in several scenes he gave aid and comfort to the enemy, and also committed treason. Also, I took exception to the way the “Military Brass” was depicted as clueless uncaring buffouns.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:55 pmUncommon Valor might be included but that was more a slam on how our government treated the POW/MIA question.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:56 pmShooter had quite a bit of liberal crap in it. For example corrupt politicians who happened to wear red ties and were into skeet shooting. corrupt mercenaries using the military as support for dodgy black ops etc. Dodgy government agencies run by these mercenarie’s assasinating a politician then framing a former marine scout sniper for it.And also a .50caliber rifle shooting down a helicopter.It’s one of those movie’s you have to watch to pickup on the liberal crap.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:18 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooter_(film) that explain’s it better.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:23 am“The Mist” - Definitely.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:34 amFlags of our Fathers - Clint Eastwood
August 8th, 2008 at 12:39 amLetters from Iwo Jima - Clint Eastwood
Redacted, Valley of elah,stop loss, the mist. I am sure there are more, but those are the only ones that i’ve seen
August 8th, 2008 at 2:22 amActually did not see redacted, but know of it. Had no desire to see it
August 8th, 2008 at 2:22 amWell, if done right, any movie properly portraying war is an anti-military flick. Me (being a Marine) know we do some fucked up shit that those Film Actors Guild people would never understand. Fine for them and everyone who does not understand what we do for a living. Pacifism is a priviledge of those whom are protected.
Well, just for fun:
-JARHEAD (good book. bad movie with great photography)
August 8th, 2008 at 2:42 am-Stripes (the army at its finest)
-Operation Pettycoat (really funny when you realize how much we get by on luck and dumb luck and even dumber luck. “Note this is the log: we destroyed one truck with a torpedo”
-Down Periscope- Making fun of the navy, although I have great deference for them in some respects.
-Operation Dumbo Drop- Wait… fuck that. Dennis Leary is in it. He has my eternal respect for “Rescue Me.”
-In The army Now- the army at its finest again.
-China Beach- TV show about hot nurses. you hardly ever see those
-MASH- TV show about drunken military Docs… wait, nevermind, that is a accurate portrayal.
-Over There- Fuck that show!
-One Tree Hill- Not about the military, but I really, really hate that show.
MASH the orginal movie.
August 8th, 2008 at 3:26 amdrillanwr,
Yeah i didnt like that part either. that movie was shit all the way around if you ask me, soldiers killing each other like when Willem Defoe’s character was shot by Tom Barringer. sorry cant remember their names in the movie. the way the the kids mother was shot just because she wouldnt shut up.
Dead Presidents also made our troops look like shit. Guys falling while on watch, which may have happened, i dont know. the black dude in the movie cutting off the enemies head and carrying it in his back pack, then when they get home they become bank robbers.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:14 amI have not see a lot of movies listed here like redacted, etc. Chris Cooper’s role in “American Beauty” always pissed me off.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:19 amPrivate Benjamin.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:27 amI haven’t seen it, but I suspect “The Execution of Private Slovik”, starring Charlie Sheen’s dad (lol), would be on the list.
“Lawrence of America”, one of my favorite movies, portrays the British Army negatively.
“Patton”, another favorite, shows some soldiers grumbling about “Old Blood-And-Guts”.
“The Caine Mutiny”
“The Dirty Dozen” - love it, but definitely portrays the American military negatively.
“Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins” portrays the military as either corrupt or incompetent.
“Wargames”
“The Thin Red Line”
That’s all I can think of.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:29 amSerious. Hair the Movie!
August 8th, 2008 at 4:29 amDuring the 40’s and 50’s war flicks were decidedly positive. Even in the early 60’s with TV shows like 12 O’Clock High and Combat, the American soldier was portraid in a positive light. Even The Green Berets was a rock solid hit during the VN protest years.
It wasn’t until the 70’s and 80’s that junk started creeping out of Hollyweird about the American soldier.
Still, there were positive movies like Hamburger Hill, and “A rumor of War”.
It was the late 70’s and the Reagan years that sparked a leftist surge in anti-troop movies. As the “boomers got older” they started buying their own drug-crazed propaganda
about VN and war in general.
An anti-war film such as “Paths To Glory” and All Quiet on the Western Front can make a statement about war without denigrating the people sent to fight it.
Not so with the current genre of anti-war flicks. Once again the boomers and their progeny are selling the American people a bill of goods and trying to resell their old, tired protest Kerry-esque propaganda from the 60’s and early 70’s.
Their movies have flopped; because the standards for war movie making is still “Pork Chop ll’, “Battleground”, “Sgt York” and “Hamburger Hill” or even “The Greatest Raid”.
The public has shown over the last 60 years that they will pay to see a winner or at least buy the DVD by the scores.
The historical record has blown away the Kerry-esque BS of “Casualties of War” and “Redacted”.
If “Turner Classic Movies” has a war movie revival as they have had this past Memorial Day; what are people going to watch? Battleground and Sgt York? Or Paths to Glory and Casualties of War.
The former will generate a larger audience than the latter.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:35 amWar may be a frustrating opion, but heroism never goes out of style in the movies.
come on…you can’t diss M.A.S.H. ^_^
August 8th, 2008 at 4:36 amIt’s much easier if we just name movies that actually support our troops……this list of Anti American Military movies will be endless
August 8th, 2008 at 4:36 amHold on man Red Dawn? Apocalypse Now? no way - Deer Hunter? Look there a difference between telling a story and making America look bad. Rendition, Redacted, Lion for Lambs, etc, all did. Let’s calm down though Apocalypse Now is the reason I joined the Corps.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:44 amcor put down
Flags of our Fathers - Clint Eastwood
Letters from Iwo Jima - Clint Eastwood
WHAT? explain how that bashes the military?
August 8th, 2008 at 5:11 amThat’s for the next thread, I said “More will be revealed”
August 8th, 2008 at 6:52 amGo through these posts and make a list at the top of the page. I keep thinking of one to find it listed 5 posts down.
August 8th, 2008 at 6:57 amGood thinking…If I had the time to do that I would. If you have the time, why don’t you do it and post it in the comments here, and when I see it I’ll move it up top.
That would be a great help.
And as an update for all there will be a thread later on movies that show our military in a positive light…
No Hawaiian Film Festival Though…muuuwahahaaaa…
August 8th, 2008 at 7:08 amI have an obscure TV show for you; the Sci-Fi channel’s Jeremiah. The plot is that everyone dies of a US military created Virus. The only survivors are those who had not reach puberty. The bad guys that keep showing up and killing people are US Military members who escaped to a virus free zone. There is never any good reason given as to why the US Military is killing people other than they are evil and want to control the new world that is left over…..typical liberal hogwash.
I watched it until its liberal agenda was made clear. I would suggest that if you like apocalyptic stories, read Alas Babylon. It portrays the survivors in a realistic light and shows the true American spirit of grit and self-reliance (excluding the Katrina refuges of course)
August 8th, 2008 at 7:17 amPretty much any military based movie since Green Berets with few exceptions. Exceptions being Men of Honor, Saving Private Ryan and We Were Soldiers.
And yes Red Dawn. I think it is more of a jab at the governments lack of funding and care of our military than a jab at the military itself. I think the point of the movie is we need a strong military and the dumb a** leftist don’t get that. They think we just need to be nicer to the angry bad people and show them love to make it all better. Well sometimes a good old fashion a** whooping is the lesson that needs to be given. Sorry that’s the mom in me. Of course the Left don’t raise their kids they ship them off to daycare so they wouldn’t get that.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:31 amcome on…you can’t diss M.A.S.H. ^_^
Best damn song from a movie “Suicide Is Painless” … the scene was a hoot too …
I liked M*A*S*H the movie … In your face satire masked in the bloody details of war.
The TV show got way too deep and away from the feature film.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:37 amGerneration Kill on HBO.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:55 amKElly’s Heroes, duh
August 8th, 2008 at 8:06 amI agree with drill about Col. Jessups speech in the courtroom, Jessup made the Corps look bad but the “You need me on that wall” speech was spot on!!
I have not seen Rambo up here yet. I am told that it is about the way our guys were treated when they came back from Viet Nam, but it also shows the sterotypical Viet Nam vet as a loner that you should not fuck with. Most of the guys I know that went over there do not act this way!!
Semper Fi!!
August 8th, 2008 at 8:17 ami think there is a big difference between portraying the military as “bad” and a satire.
bad:
platoon, redacted, lions for lambs, etc…
satire:
operation petticoat, dirty dozen, mash, the Caine mutiny
i don’t know if I’d call Patton portraying the military as bad…now I’m sure it’s not 100% accurate, but I think the leftists in Hollywood don’t really try to go out of their way to show the WWII generation as bad, evil, unjustly in a war etc.
Same goes for Flag of Our Fathers, Thin Red Line.
Yes some of the soldiers were shown in a negative light…but soldiers did some pretty bad things sometimes. Hell, in Band of Brothers, one of the soldiers kills the whole company of Germans after Normandy, including the American who went to fight for Germany in 1938 (long before America was involved). I’m sure it happened sometimes…
especially after that massacre at the crossroads of all the POW’s (battle of the bulge, I forget the name of the crossroads, but this was one of the major Nuremberg trial items)
I think there is a big difference with the recent string of anti-war/anti-troop movies and the films about WWII
pretty much every Vietnam movie was negative.
Can’t say there is much out there about Korean War with the exception of M.A.S.H. but even if there was, you’d probably say it was anti-war/anti-troops, but our military made some very serious blunders in the upper leadership that created a major clusterf%#k.
It’s unfortunate that to some, these movies are their only examples of “fact” regarding war, troops, etc.
August 8th, 2008 at 8:30 amAmericans are just too dumb to actually try to learn the truth (politicians included)
“In The Valley of Elah”
August 8th, 2008 at 8:33 amI still don’t see how Generation Kill is troop Bashing. I highly doubt Sgt. Reyes would be as involved in the bashing of his brothers as some would suggest. Met the guy at Pendelton in 2003. Didn’t strike me as a buddy fucker then and doesn’t strike me as one now.
August 8th, 2008 at 8:39 amAfter reading all those, what’s left out?… Can we honestly say since the ’40’s if there has been more truly pro-miltary movies that can be counted on more than one hand put out by the libtards in Follywood? …
August 8th, 2008 at 8:53 amHere is a short list:
Grace is Gone
Stoploss
Redacted
In the Valley of Elah
Lions for Lambs
Rendition
The Thin Red Line
It seems the older movies were pro-America, with the new Hollywoodites being much, much more liberal and anti-American. There also seems to be a fit with the type of actors that actually take these roles and I hope their careers suffer for it…it’s past time for Americans to show these dumbasses what the cost of attacking our military is.
And I’ve got a few we can start with…
August 8th, 2008 at 8:57 amAlec Baldwin
Sigourney Weaver
Sean Penn
Matt Damon
Charlie Sheen (9/ll conspiracy theory)
actually, i misused a term (you can tell i’m not military)
August 8th, 2008 at 8:57 ami meant squad, not company for BoB
does “Syrianna” with George Clooney count for that list ?
I haven’t seen it though an american buddy told me he hated it
August 8th, 2008 at 9:51 amGeorge Clooney = teh suck
August 8th, 2008 at 10:32 amRavenous
August 8th, 2008 at 10:33 amSo far a quick name pull here with zero editing and some dupes.
Pro:
Battle Cry
Saving Private Ryan
The Flying Leathernecks
The Longest Day
Patton
The Sands of Iwo Jima
Heartbreak Ridge
Black Hawk Down
Band of Brothers
The Hunt for Red October
Hamburger Hill
Saving Private Ryan
We Were Soldiers
Behind Enemy Lines
The Green Berets
U-571
Flags of our Fathers
The Longest Day
Forest Gump
Cont:
Platoon
August 8th, 2008 at 10:35 amApocalypse Now
Redacted
Three Kings
Stop-Loss
Rendition
Under siege
operation petticoat
operation dumbo drop
In the Valley of Elah
Lions for Lambs
Jarhead
Home of the Brave
Born on the Fourth of July
The Deer Hunter
MASH
Coming Home
Tigerland
Forest Gump
Casualties of War,”
Dr. Strangelove
Full Metal Jacket.
Heaven And Earth
Jacob’s Ladder
American Beauty
All Quiet On The Western Front.
Catch-22
The Quiet American
Mars Attacks
A few good men
Johnny Got His Gun
Good Morning Vietnam
Uncommon Valor
Shooter
The Mist
Redacted,
Valley of elah
JARHEAD
Stripes
Down Periscope
In The army
China Beach- TV show
MASH- TV show
Over There
MASH
Dead Presidents
Private Benjamin
Lawrence of America
The Thin Red Line
Wargames
Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins
The Dirty Dozen
The Caine Mutiny
Patton
Lawrence of America
The Execution of Private Slovik
Hair
Paths To Glory
Deer Hunter
Jeremiah
Gerneration Kill
KElly’s Heroes
Grace is Gone
Syrianna
Ravenous
Bravo! Thanks for that compilation. I’d buy ya a beer if you were sittin’ right here.
Thanks bro.
August 8th, 2008 at 10:48 amChuck covered most he actually had everything on my list except
August 8th, 2008 at 12:41 pmBroken Arrow
Rambo 1-14
Children of Men
Iron Eagle
Fire Base Gloria
Most Steven Stegal or Jon Cluade Van Damme movies
The hundred movies that have a vet going crazy killing a bunch of people or a 1 man army that kills hundreds of enemies single handedly
Brilliant documentaries like
Ghost of Abu Greib
No End in sight
Iraq in Fragments
Iraq for Sale
Unfortunately I can’t remember the name of the worst, but it was about a truck full of grunts cut off from their unit in Iraq. Gary Bussey plays a doctor that after torturing prisoners in little cages, harvests the organs for the Israelis
Almost forgot the Boys in Company C
August 8th, 2008 at 12:53 pmI believe Redacted is the worse of them all.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:16 pmBrian DePalma is a traitor to the United States.
In response to BryanJ, the name of the Gary Bussey movie is “Valley of the Wolves”. It was very popular in Turkey.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:08 pm