My feeling all this has to do with Iran, the ABM’s Oil and the Election.

1. As you said, Russia has much incested in Iran.
2. Russia doesn’t want the ABM system in Europe.
3. Russia wants to control Europes oil.
4. If the US strikes the Anti-war movement gets another bone to pick at, which could swing the election in BHo’sfavor. Russia wouyld rather deal with BHo than McCain. favor.

but it is not a good idea considering afghanistan and pending war with iran.

i believe if we get involved AND iran strikes israel and we are forced to get involved there too, we run the risk of a hot war with too many fronts.

Its the right thing and a no brainer, which is why our government wont do a fucking thing.

As to war with Russia … Bomb the shit out of them.

WE have Star Wars … heh!

Doug and Mr. Rinehart

You make me proud!

unfortunate circumstances.

This has been bugging me so badly it’s hard to sleep. Like the Georgians I’m tired of hearing the lip service coming from their allies, when what they really need to hear and see is that their allies are boarding planes and ships and heading their way.

As for Russia’s intentions well personally I don’t see them stopping until they have retaken Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan, and then they will side with Iran, Syria and Ethiopia in an attack against Israel.

But that’s just my personal beliefs.

You want to counter Vladimir? Take out the Iranian nuclear facilities and take out everything the Iranians have, anywhere near the Straits of Hormuz.

Vladimir wants that second pipeline, so that he alone can control most of Europe. Having the Straits of Hormuz in his Iranian pocket gives him the rest of Europe, plus Asia. Having Chavez gives him Venezuela.

Equipping, training, and deploying troops to Georgia is a long-delaying tactic that he would love for us to spend time on. Making a strong statement towards energy independence and taking out the Mad Mullahs fucks Putin in a serious way.

1. As you said, Russia has much invested in Iran.
2. Russia doesn’t want the ABM system in Europe.
3. Russia wants to control Europes oil.
4. If the US strikes the Anti-war movement gets another bone to pick at, which could swing the election in BHo’sfavor. Russia wouyld rather deal with BHo than McCain. favor.

I think a air and land defence with NATO ,for Georgia.
would be hard for even the libs to be Against.

The economic hardships that we put on Germany after WWI led to the rise of the Third Reich. I’m not trying to Godwin my way out of this but this aggression can not be allowed to stand. You can starve troops out of their will to fight, but you can’t starve a people. And economic sanctions would end up hurting the general population because the government would steal what they needed to ramp up their forces. It’s the USSR all over again.

Once again we paid for those F-22 pieces of crap now’s the time to see if they are really an air superiority tool or just a hood ornament for the USAF.

If that brings Iran into the fray we’d have to destroy the Iranian regime, wouldn’t have time to piss around.

We have to stand strong!

http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-space/article/2008-03/how-it-works-airborne-laser-cannon

The Idea of a joint effort by European Union countries against Russia seems to be a better path to take tactically… I believe that EU forces could easily deal with Russia provided we offered them some help with the logistics (The U.S. learned a great deal about organizing attacks while directing Coalition Forces in Iraq and Afghanistan in it’s earlier stages)…

At any rate Iran is a central issue that must be taken into account… Any decision to do so would require strong military support from our allies… I think that is the determining factor and that there is plenty of evidence that our allies would provide that support…

So put e down for a YES…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetians

The USA is in the lame duck presidency time frame (we are weak politically) advantage Russia.

The world is watching the Olympics not Georgia.

The Liberals are seemingly going to place a very inexperienced candidate into the White house.

The world will let Putin do it.

bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran
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Yeah, tactically I’m thinking bomb Iran and watch Russia backdown …

Putin wants to show the USA and Europe that they can’t put Georgia in Nato -
Where is the outcry for Russian tobe expelled from the Games and medals stripped for their actions?

If they don’t back down, and pull back to their side of the border, unleash hell.

President Ronald Reagan’s words from August 11, 1984.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv13ZnkpWos
“My fellow Americans, I’ve just signed legislation outlawing Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”

As to Israel taking on Iran, that requires tankers or forward bases (Turkey? Iraq?). Where is Israel going to be able to stage tankers between them and Iran? As to the USAF, F-22s over Georgia would require tankers. Where are we going to get those tankers? EADS (Airbus, the Northrup-Grumman bid) is part-owned by Russia. Maybe we can also ship troops over on Aeroflot.

Israel can’t take out Iran; we have to do it. I agree with closing the skies over Georgia, but think folks should consider why using Airbus as the platform for the next generation of tankers is a questionable choice (not, never have been a Boeing employee, nor family member).

It would be good to do it proxy by arming the Georgians and include some ‘advisors’. Let them deal with some of our latest tech.

Direct conflict may not be in our best interest at this time, but it might be needed.

They are an ally, and we cannot let them succumb to the control of russia. We cannot let the soviet union reconstitute itself.

Russia has a big weakness. It no longer has a dominant ideology. The closest it has is Russian nationalism. Beyond that, the elites are motivated by greed.

Hence, it is frar better to economically sanction Russia (and yeah, in general, I don’t like economic sanctions). Russia is a fascist country run by mobsters - with both nationalist and profit motives. It is the largest organized crime outfit on earth, oh, and did I mention they have nukes [yeah, you did].

Putin et al are propped up by the new rich, themselves rewarded with stolen billions from former government assets. Put the hurt on those folks, which the Treasury department is very good at, and the Russkies (even with their oil) will have a problem.

Meanwhile, let’s get back to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran…

Oh, and SCREW RUSSIA

Let us not forget the lessons in Russia by the armies of Napoleon and Hitler. Sure, we can say, “But that won’t happen to us, this is different. We’re AMERICAN!” I think that would be the height of pride and folly. I’ll leave you with this quote from Napoleon, “Man proposes, but God disposes.”

In summary, I cannot justify supporting war with Russia.

Hey, as far as I’m concerned a Georgian Redneck is a Georgian Redneck, no matter what part of the globe they are located! We need to come to their aid, they are ALLIES…that’s what we do. To me it’s like someone pickin’ a fight with my younger brother, don’t think I won’t kick your ass for it….

Can any one imagine how we will fare during the comming world war with Hussein at the helm?

One of my great uncles designed the architecture for getting the UN to put pressure on Russia about the Missiles in Cuba. lol

And I’m all for the war. We know how “advanced” Russian military hardware is, I thought for sure I’d miss out on bagging me a Russian. I thought I’d have to settle for an Arab or Persian…now I can get all three

russia

The Soviets hate those ugly bastards …

Fuck Russia!

I fear that this Bush will do what his father did during Tianmen Square — NOTHING!!

Send a fight of F-16s to AT LEAST defend Tblisi! Don’t be a repeat of your father’s failed presidency!
Both were by Iraq abd Bush41 flinched when his REAL TEST came.
How ironic that Bush43 was in China when his test came?

I say Hoo-rah! Lock and load. Let’s pull them smoke-wagons and get to work.

We have to do something. If nothing is done Putin will move on to the next former state in his effort to return them back to Soviet power.

They are predominately a Christian/Jewish nation. Their country is named after Saint George, their flag is from the 13th century. The silver (white) background is a sign of innocence, chastity, purity and wisdom, while the red signifies courage, bravery, justice and love.

I have to believe that…
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So, here’s my prediction;

When everything is in place it will include;

1. An overwhelming Cyber warfare attack (that doesn’t target Russia’s economy).

2. Air superiority over Georgia. (F-22’s?)

3. Close Air Support for Georgian forces in Georgia. (A-10’s?)

4. Then the “Fat Boys” take the stage, ie - B-52’s, B1B’s, B-2’s with full racks of the new 250lb SDB.

5. Once #2 is achieved, tell that Mass-Murdering KGB ass-wipe Vladimir Putin what is about to happen to his Military and there’s nothing he can do to stop it.

But in truth I don’t believe Russia wants or is even close to ready to roll with the big dog yet. I think if we sent in some ships and maybe even a contingent of ehhh “peace keepers” of the airborne type to Tiblisi Russia would cut a deal.

My estimate is Putty doesn’t want to take Georgia and get a new Chechnya (backed by US weapons), but instead he is trying to humiliate the Georgian president and prove US support hollow. Routing the Georgian forces and capturing Gori pressuring Tiblisi without taking it achieves that goal. Sending in the paratroopers to Tiblisi it would save the Georgian pres by justifying his US alliance and would show the US alliance as the ultimate safety.

Georgia made a mistake by jumping without coordinating first with US but that doesn’t mean we should allow Russia to grind them under.

The world should feel confident alliance with the US is worth more than just paper.

HONOR WORD BALLS is some of the few things a man or nation have in this world.

Although I wish someone else would choose to say “yes”.

Downside. We have Nukes pointed at us. Not good. This sucks.

We’ve been destroying Soviet armor with ease for decades now. It will not be a contest. Our Air Force is not doing much right now. Russia has 1200 planes in their arsenal. It won’t take long before their planes are dropping like flies from the sky. That will change their attitude.

When we hit Russia, hit em hard

Isreali media is apparently reporting that weapons slated for Iraq have been shipped to Georgia, beginning on Sunday.

We have to support Georgia, but a small American presence for training and strategic development would only be needed. Communists are like Islamoterrorists, they only understand and respect strength.

TTP also recommends seizing Putin’s 40 Billion in Swiss bank accounts. Heck, go to “To The Point” and read it for yourself. Lots of great stuff over there.

Premeditated, AND a finger to the face of The West.
Will we stand by Georgia or not?

…more importantly, just HOW are we going to support them?

I was talking with a friend of mine and suggested that we just nuke Iran and Russia both. To which I was told our atmosphere probably wouldn’t be able to handle all of the nukes we and the Russians would set off.

Then I found myself not having a clue as what we can do. I think we should help Georgia…they are one of our true allies in the Iraq war. To turn our back on them or to allow Russia’s invasion is so bad for us - I have no words. If we do not help them, why would we ever question another country doubting our honor again?

I understand our troops are in two different theaters plus one more here at home. I want to know what our troops say about this. Their words mean the most to me. What is their insightful wisdom about what they think should be done. And more specifically I’d like to know what is running through General Petraeus’ mind about this whole conflict.

But if we don’t help Georgia…is that a stain for us that will never come out? Is this how we treat friends? Do we just turn the cheek and pretend it doesn’t bother us? I think not.

To have a good friend - one must be a good friend! Friendship is a two-way street. They help each other! The false friendship is the one that is only concerned about themselves and look really hard for reasons to not help their friend in need.

Do we as Americans have balls or not? This is do or die time. What’s it gonna be?

Have we become so complacent that we can’t be inconvenienced by the truth?

It’s time to buck up Americans. It’s do or die. What do you choose?

Now we have Georgia, who is a good friend to the United States , sends 2000 solderers we trained to help us fight in Iraq. Yes we flew them back home to fight for their country, but I feel the same way I did in 73 that we should not leave them to the wolves.

It my opinion that we should bring in our special forces to continue training the Georgian troops in the field and act as field combat air control. Bring in our air power, f-16 and A-10s and draw a red line in the sand. If Putin soldiers cross the line, take them out. The first thing on my” to do list” is take out the tunnel that allows the Russian army into Georgia. The Russians that already crossed under the bridge will have to abandoned their vehicles and walk back to Russia. Park a carrier group off the coast of Georgia to deal with the blockade. As many of you said your post, our country has a bad habit of abandoning our Friends when the going gets tough. The stakes are way to high to repeat this mistake again.

On a side note: I tried to place a large order for my hurricane preparedness plan and was advised by Mountain House Foods that all the long storage foods were already sold for the rest of the year. I don’t know about the rest of you, but this send up a red flag for me. Something big is in the works!!

I say let’s not get sucked into Russia’s trap. They laid it for us.
The Russians want Iran to finish their nuclear weapons and they
want Iran to use those nukes on the USA.
Russia can’t use it’s nukes for the same reason we can’t use ours,
I believe it used to be called mutually assured destruction.
But Russia can get Iran to destroy maybe half a dozen American cities
and maybe London and Paris as well for good measure. The economic
damage will paralyze the West for a decade and let Russia secure
top dog status. Sure, Iran will get destroyed but they’re just
“useful idiots” - that’s a KGB phrase.
Why Georgia now? Coz we’re about to hit the button on Ira