Fuck Putin. Here’s achance to do for Georgia what we did for the muj in Afghanistan in the 80’s and give Puty a black eye.

any chance of US intervention? i couldnt see Bush letting Georgia get completely overrun by Russia.

August 21, 1968. Deja vu.

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Yeah!
Had family survive that.

yeah they mentioned this morning that there are US military personnel in Georgia right now. they have been there working with them and training them for years now. Government put a statement about monitoring the situation and evacuating all diplomats if it escalated, well it did so its kinda hard to gauge whats going to happen next.

Can’t help but remember this:

What it all boils down to is this. I want the new closeness to continue. And it will, as long as we make it clear that we will continue to act in a certain way as long as they continue to act in a helpful manner. If and when they don’t, at first pull your punches. If they persist, pull the plug. It’s still trust but verify. It’s still play, but cut the cards. It’s still watch closely. And don’t be afraid to see what you see.

Ronald Reagan

If Georgia has been rotating deployments every 12 months, then they’ve got up to about 10,000 seasoned troops facing the Russians.

Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets.”
Gen. George S. Patton

Any info on the role played by Georgian units in Iraq?

Strong central government with private sector ownership creates the best system.

The US is now too fractured and confused.

The difference is that National Socialism was a Life based cosmic force. Beyond Christianity,Islam and simple nonsense such as democracy, communism etc.

Read Savitri Devi’s The Lightning and The Sun Chapters 11-14 and you shall see

Could we have made a deal to sit back on this, if Russia sits back when we do Iran?

That’s an interesting point.

I see as a more likely result the whipping the Slovenians gave the Serbs in 1990.

See that link for details as to how Georgia and Russia match up against each other.

Heinz..The difference is that National Socialism was a Life based cosmic force. Beyond Christianity,Islam and simple nonsense such as democracy, communism etc.

Give me a break, Kraut !!

Most of Georgia’s troops were on the border of Iraq and Iran. Now they are being pulled out to fight at home.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QAL-InFfFC4

“The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline…was partly underwritten by British taxpayers [and] entered full service last year. It is the world’s second-longest oil pipeline….”

“About 250 kilometres of the route passes through Georgia, with parts of it running only 55 kilometres from South Ossetia. It also runs close to another secessionist Georgian region, Abkhazia.”

I’m waiting to hear that the British armed forces get involved in this one.

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html

You got it, brother! Close there one way in and crush the bastards or last until winter when the mountains are snowed in.

Every time I think about this conflict I envision Gunnery Sgt. Hartman (R. Lee Ermey) getting in Pres. Bush’s face and yelling, “Why are you letting Russians take over Georgia? Why aren’t you stomping the Russians guts out?”

I am not looking forward to seeing what this does to the price of oil come Monday. Watch the foreign markets that open before ours, then duck for cover at 9:30am EST.

Someone else posted this site earlier somewhere. There is a mention of targeting the tunnels @ 6hrs ago. I was able to read everything earlier, but now when I click on the stories, it goes nowhere.

http://www.aboutgeorgia.net/

If that’s true, holy balls I want to shake the hand of the guy that came up with the plan!

Rove/Cheney/Bush, you magnificent bastards!

“Georgian Forces Break Through Tskhinvali Defense”
August 10, 2008

The South Ossetian State Committee for the Press and Mass Information reports that Georgian formations broke through the defenses of the Tskhinvali from the south after having been driven out by Russian forces. Fighting has been resumed in the city with renewed strength.

Georgian forces are using all forms of weapons at their disposal in residential neighborhoods of the South Ossetian capital. Those include artillery, Grad missiles, grenade launchers, personnel carriers and tanks. South Ossetian forces are being overwhelmed. Russian subdivisions have already been dispatched to aid them.

Georgian tank subdivisions are also attempting to take control of the Zari road, which connects Tskhinvali to North Ossetia. “Georgian tanks… are pressing toward the strategically important Zari road from the village of Khetagurovo,” the South Ossetian State Committee for the Press reports, but Interfax states that the Georgian forces have not taken the road.

The Russian border service is denying reports in the Georgian media that there has been an explosion in the Roki tunnel, RIA Novosti reports, citing the head of the North Caucasus department of the border service press service. The press officer stated that servicemen in the area of the tunnel have confirmed that “everything is calm and ambulances continue to bring the wounded through from the South Ossetian side.” The Roki tunnel is on the border between North and South Ossetia. It is being used to move Russian hardware and infantry into South Ossetia and to bring the wounded out of the conflict zone.

Novosti-Gruzia quotes Georgian Defense Ministry spokesmen as saying that the Georgian military has broken though to the Roki tunnel, however.

Full story:

http://www.kommersant.com/p-13066/r_527/Tskhinvali_Defense/

http://orbat.com

And Belmont Club has good stuff, too, as always.

Peacekeeping Russian style. What a bunch of incompetent dickheads.

What just happened? The Kremlin decided it was time to act, since Georgia was only growing stronger under its democratically elected government. Although NATO has been hemming and hawing about admitting Georgia, the Russians didn’t want to take any chances. (Just last month, 1,000 US troops were in Georgia for an exercise.)

Calculating that the media and world leaders would be partying in Beijing, the Russians ordered North Ossetian militiamen, backed by Russian “peacekeepers” and mercenaries, to provoke the Georgians earlier this month.

Weary of the Russian presence on their soil, the Georgians took the bait. President Mikheil Saakashvili ordered his US-trained military to respond.

That was the excuse the Kremlin wanted. Immediately, a tank brigade from Russia’s 58th Army (the butchers of Chechnya) crossed the international border into Poland - sorry, I meant Georgia.

How do I know that the Russians set a trap? Simple: Given the wretched state of Russian military readiness, that brigade could never have shot out of its motor pool on short notice. The Russians obviously “task-organized” the force in advance to make sure it would have working tanks with competent crews.

Otherwise, broken-down vehicles would’ve lined those mountain roads.

The Russians planned it. And they hope to push it to the limit.

If I were a Russian staff planner…My objective would be to retake Tskhinvali, then strike due south to cut Georgia’s lifelines to the world - the strategic highway, parallel rail line and international pipeline that connect Georgia’s eastern interior with its western ports.

If the Russian invaders can sever those links, they’ll cut Georgia in half. Control of that road-rail-pipeline complex would not only bring the Georgian economy to a standstill - it would also allow the Kremlin’s other clients in Abkhazia, on the Black Sea, to renew their attempt to devour Georgian territory.

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/08092008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/raping_georgia_123664.htm

In Abkhazia, President Sergei Bagapsh gave Georgia a deadline for removing its troops from the upper Kodori Gorge, a part of the region controlled by Georgia, as Abkhaz warplanes and artillery pounded Georgian positions for a second day, according to a statement on the president’s Web site. Bagapsh said Abkhazia is acting “independently,” without Russian help. Utiashvili said Russian paratroopers and infantry are deployed in Abkhazia, and that fighting began earlier today…

Zalmay Khalilzad, U.S. ambassador to the UN, said Abkhazia is engaged in a “Russian-based military offensive” against Georgia in the Kodori Gorge that is a “direct challenge to a UN Security Council-mandated mission.”

In signs of a possible economic blockade, Russian warships prevented a Ukrainian ship carrying grain and an unidentified oil tanker from docking in the Georgian port of Poti, Economic Development Minister Eka Sharashidze said by telephone.
“This is suffocation of the country,” Lomaia said. “An economic blockade like this is very close to genocide.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=apjn7JAm9ZMU&refer=home

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08102008/news/worldnews/russia_expands_war_123889.htm?page=0

We need to intervene. Georgia can’t take on Russia alone. If they reabsorb Georgia while the US does nothing, the other former Soviet republics will have no choice but to fall back into the Russian orbit. China will feel emboldened to push further in Tibet and Nepal, and might decide to bring Taiwan back under it’s control.

Every third rate dictator from Iran to Zimbabwe will feel emboldened. It’ll be Vietnam all over again, after we did so much to restore faith in our word in Iraq.

Even if we broker a treaty where Georgia remains ‘independent’ but gives Russia South Ossetia, it’ll be the Sudetenland all over again. Czechoslovakia was forced to give up it’s border region with Nazi Germany, including it’s best defensive terrain, fortifications, and factories.

The only way from Russia to Georgia is to go under the mountains through a single tunnel from North Ossetia to South Ossetia. That’s where a small force can hold off a much larger. Once the Russians were through, there wasn’t much the Georgians could do.

That’s why they fomented the ’seperatists’ and handed out Russian passports like confetti. That gave them a pretext to insert ‘peacekeepers’ who secured the southern end of the tunnel and opened the gates.

We should send a carrier battle group to break the blockade and provide air support. Those tank columns are sitting ducks to these:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/cbu-97.htm

They were only used twice during the invasion of Iraq. That’s all it took. Entire battalions wiped out in seconds.

This is serious shit going on.

Wait…oh wait…I forgot. It’s a communist thing so it’s ok…

The Georgian authorities announced that the town of Gori, 60 miles north of Tbilisi, had effectively fallen to the Russians who were also advancing from the western pro-Russian breakaway province of Abkhazia into territory previously under Georgian control.

“The Georgian army is retreating to defend the capital. The government is urgently seeking international intervention to prevent the fall of Georgia and the further loss of life,” said the Georgian government.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/11/georgia.russia13?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

OK - it’s time to blow the Roki tunnel.

I also saw what appeared to be old T-62’s with RPG slats tacked on….not much doubt who those belong to.

I’m thinking a couple runs by some F-117’s might even the odds a bit.

Their airforce is puny and their air defences are weak, Russian planes can operate with impunity. It would be nice to see an SU-37 in action over Georgia vs. an American JSF. Talk about a dog fight. I hope we help Georgia militarily of they are seriously kaput.

Russian news reports are quoting President Dmitri Medvedev ordering a halt to Russian military action in Georgia.

Much more here…BBC confirms.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2060404/posts

Remember Iraq? The Russian POS tanks are littered everywhere in Iraq.