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LOL he said to do what I already did….I cancelled HBO after Sopranos ended
August 6th, 2008 at 8:27 amI’m getting HBO for free but will not continue it when I have to begin paying for it.
August 6th, 2008 at 8:31 amHave you talked to Savage about YA?
Maybe you should contact him and fill him in. Maybe do his show? Push patdollard.com …
Wonder how he’ll react to you and YA.
Undoubtedly better than he’s reacting to GK … HEH!
August 6th, 2008 at 8:42 amI’ve been bothered by 2 things in Generation Kill.
1 The officers & senior NCOs are all portrayed as incompetent.
2 Nearly everyone killed is unarmed.
Even if much of the dialogue is word for word what was said, the makers still seem to mistake sarcasm for heart felt belief.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:13 amSavage is the man.
- I agree with drill, it would be cool to get your name and site mentioned by radio, fox news, glen beck. Andrew Breitbart was on Beck the other day.
August 6th, 2008 at 12:09 pmDid this guy(Savage) forget that several of the Marines that were there, are actually in this mini series. I know and served with 2 of the Marines in this series, they are stand up guys and outstanding Marines, if they didn’t agree with the storyline they would not have been involved with the series(they also said Evan Wright is a pretty good dude). On Bryan J’s comment, I don’t know if you were in the Corps at the time this happened or not but most of the senior Marines(most all Marines)lacked combat experiance and thought the war would be relatively short. So they fell back on the peacetime convetional bullshit that they were comfortable with, and pulled a lot B.S. to make sure they got a medal and their ticket punched. I’m happy to say that this is not the case now, most combat units have outstanding SNCO’s and Junior officers as a resualt of coming up the ranks in wartime.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:26 pmi got rid of HBO after the Sopranos ended as well. I have no intentions of ordering it again.
August 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pmI saw the trailer and it seemed like a crock of shit to me. I’ll bet you anything this one bombs because people are sick of seeing preachy, fictionalized crap.
August 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pmI read the book a few years ago, I don’t recall any liberal slant. I’ve served in the military for 7 years, and sometimes you have incompetent assholes leading, and sometimes you have wonderful, inspiring leaders. It may very well be the case that 1st Recon, at this time, was going through a phase of poor leadership.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:20 pmThat being said, I have not seen the movie. But, according to HBO’s website on Gen. Kill, they do have two of those Marines consulting on the film and one starring in it.
So, maybe, we just need to realize these are human beings over there. Like anywhere else, sometimes the boss is just a dick.
The series rocks, and it’s pretty true to the book.
August 7th, 2008 at 6:41 amGood points.
War is not pretty. The things people who go to war say are not pretty. Sometimes the things that happen in war are not pretty.
Ive watched the series thus far, I think it is an almost perfect depiction of the microcosm of people who serve in the marines. The smart ass conservative (corporal pearson), the always cool and well educated sergeant (iceman - colbert), the boot who think he’s hot shit and just wants to get some (LCpl Trombley), and the cock-sure mexican who used to be a gangsta and always says political shit (the other corporal).
Above all else, the series shows how concerned the recon marines are about keeping their honor clean. The humanity of our marines shines through above all else.
Savage is a good guy, but sometimes the pro-troop crowd thinks of us in the military (veterans and currently serving) as infallible machines who do everything perfect and behave well all the time. Troops are regular people too. They adapt to their environment and their surroundings - not always perfectly. What makes the troops different from normal people, they adhere to their training and create their own culture - morbid, sardonic, and dirty - to survive in combat and carry out their mission. Generation Kill portrays this well.
August 7th, 2008 at 7:01 amDbo:
I think the problem is that Hollywood goes out of their way to portray the dark side of the military and that upsets a lot of people–especially when they broadcast this stuff as a coda to a succesful mission. Everything that’s been said in this thread might very well be true about a particular subset of the armed forces, but after having been put through the wringer about how **all** soldiers are oppressive, evil, imperialistic, blood thirsty maniacs for half a decade now, well, at some point, you have to say enough is enough.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:17 amBetween Yon, YA and people like Ollie North, lies the REAL story on our troops. I’m not real interested in anyone else’s view on the troops from Hollywood.
I also have my own sources and they tend to line up with the aforementioned. I’ll stick with those and skip the rest.
Not a fan of Savage, but sometimes he’s right.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:39 pmGood comments. I was in the AF in the early 80s so I know that there are Officers & NCOs that just don’t get it.
In my case it’s not that they are showing the Marines having flaws. My concern is a deep distrust for Hollywood which tends to portray the military and its members poorly. I was concerned that they were over emphansizing the negative, but hey you guys were in the Marines and know the culture. If you guys say it could have been that way, & those who were there say thats the way it happened thats good enough for me.
I just remember reporters like Kevin Sites that said he was 100% loyal to the Marines he was embedded with. First chance he got to make a name for himself and get a few bucks he betrayed them. So I am always leary of what these reporter say.
August 7th, 2008 at 6:20 pmAs each segment comes out, I find myself rooting more and more for the Iraqis.
In fact after the last episode, I dislike the marines depicted in this so much, that I’m not going to bother watching it any more.
August 7th, 2008 at 8:08 pmDon’t have HBO - I was recently in a hotel, so I saw one scene . . . Troops at a check point shot up an approaching vehicle, which did not yield to warning shots . . . and one of the soldiers questioned with much anguish whether the Iraqis understood “warning shots” and the commanding officer made some empty comment (I wish I could remember exactly what it was?) that was cold, uncaring, made the military look heartless, blah, blah, blah . . .
I changed the channel.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:44 amAnyone that says this show is disrespectful to the troops has never served.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:20 pmAs a disabled Marine veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, I don’t feel comfortable watching the series because of its intense focus on realism. I trudge on though, watching this with civilian friends that weren’t there and don’t know jack about life in the military, I explain to them anything they might have questions about, and they are simply amazed at the intimate behind-the-scenes look at life in the Corps.
Say what you want to about liberals and all that trash, but you’re wrong if you say this denegrates our troops. Because truth doesn’t pass judgement upon anyone, but the light shining does make the cockroaches (chickenhawk conservatives) mad.