Russia To Poland: “We’ll Shove A Nuke Up Your Asskies” - Updated
Russia’s deputy chief of General Staff Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn speaks to the media in Moscow on Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008. Georgian officials charged Wednesday that dozens of Russian tanks had rolled into the Georgian city of Gori. Col.-Gen. Nogovitsyn said Wednesday that no tanks were in Gori. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)
MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland’s agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.
The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.
Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia’s missile force.
“Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike—100 percent,” Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.
He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia’s military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons “against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them.” Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.
At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia’s frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.
U.S. officials have said the timing of the deal was not meant to antagonize Russian leaders at a time when relations already are strained over the recent fighting between Russia and Georgia over the separatist Georgian region of South Ossetia.
Russian forces went deep into Georgia in the fighting, raising wide concerns that Russia could be seeking to occupy parts of its small, pro-U.S. neighbor, which has vigorously lobbied to join NATO, or even to force its government to collapse.
Under the agreement that Warsaw and Washington reached Thursday, Poland will accept an American missile interceptor base.
“We have crossed the Rubicon,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said, referring to U.S. consent to Poland’s demands after more than 18 months of negotiations.
Washington says the planned system, which is not yet operational, is needed to protect the U.S. and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed “rogue states” like Iran. The Kremlin, however, feels it is aimed at Russia’s missile force and warns it will worsen tensions.
In an interview on Poland’s news channel TVN24, Tusk said the United States agreed to help augment Poland’s defenses with Patriot missiles in exchange for placing 10 missile defense interceptors in the Eastern European country.
He said the deal also includes a “mutual commitment” between the two nations to come to each other’s assistance “in case of trouble.”
That clause appeared to be a direct reference to Russia.
Poland has all along been guided by fears of a newly resurgent Russia, an anxiety that has intensified with Russia’s offensive in Georgia. In past days, Polish leaders said that fighting justified Poland’s demands that it get additional security guarantees from Washington in exchange for allowing the anti-missile base on its soil.
(AP)
UPDATE EDIT:
Russia may strike nuclear blow on Poland in case it deploys US Patriot missiles
(PRAVDA)
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia warns Poland that it may become a priority target for Russia in the event the USA deploys elements of its missile defense system on the territory of this East European nation. To put it in a nutshell, Russia may strike a nuclear blow on Poland, which is possible after the recent change of the Russian Federation defense doctrine.
“The USA is busy with its own missile defense system; it does not intend to defend Poland at this point. Poland lays itself open to attack giving the USA a permission to deploy the system. The country may become an object of Russia’s reaction. Such targets are destroyed in the first instance,” Anatoly Nogovitsin, Russia’s Deputy Chief of Staff said commenting the recent agreement regarding the deployment of the US missile defense system in Poland.
Nogovitsin stated that Russia may use nuclear weapons in cases as stipulated by the defense doctrine.
“It clearly states that we can use nuclear weapons against the countries possessing nuclear weapons, against allies of such countries, if they somehow support them, and against those countries, which deploy other countries’ nuclear weapons on their territories. Poland is aware of it,” the general said.
In the meantime, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice added more fuel to the fire upon her arrival in Tbilisi, Georgia. She said that Washington would be ready to sign the missile defense agreement with Warsaw in the nearest future, ITAR-TASS reports.
Poland ’s Prime Minister Donald Tusk said that Poland had completed the talks with the USA and agreed upon the conditions of the deployment of the US missile defense system elements on its territory.
The agreement stipulates the deployment of 96 Patriot missiles and 110 members of the personnel. The US permanent military reservation will be deployed in Poland by 2012.
Interceptor missiles will appear in Poland on the outskirts of the town of Slupsk. The agreement also stipulates USA’s assistance to Poland in case the latter faces a threat from third countries.
It is worthy of note that Polish President Lech Kaczynski set off to Georgia Tuesday along with the leaders of Estonia, Lithuania and Ukraine to participate in the meeting of solidarity. All of the presidents, including Mr. Kaczynski, delivered anti-Russian speeches at the meeting. The Polish president particularly stated that Russia had shown its true face and committed criminal actions.
Russia ’s Dmitry Medvedev stated in July that US missiles in Poland would only aggravate the situation.
“Russia will have to respond; the EU and the USA have been warned,” the Russian president said.
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“…Russia’s military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons “against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them.” ”
By that logic they should have nuked Georgia since we’ve been helping them for awhile.
August 15th, 2008 at 11:22 amBring it on fuckhead.
To: Russia
empty rhetoric… you bastards couldn’t even give all your soldiers weapons when you were fighting the germans. the cold war was saber rattling to cover up the fact that your country sucks and is full of cowards. you had the chance to nuke us and you didn’t do it! why? because you were a bunch of scared little faggots! why don’t you just go cry to your fucking mommies already. a nuke? don’t make me laugh. you pussies would be blown back to the goddamn stone age before the missile even landed.
i doubt you could even hit the broad side of a barn with your impotent missile systems anyway.
bring it on twat!
August 15th, 2008 at 11:28 amDon’t sugar coat it ..
The russians will always be the bully of eurasia…I can’t wait to see what to Chicoms do in years to come w/their new found wealth…and the Indians…
August 15th, 2008 at 11:36 amWow, this is amazing, the more things change, the more they remain the same. I ‘hope’ we are not getting ready to repeat the Carter Administration with the Russian bear up to her old tricks and the Iranian mula’s playing with fire. Good grief!!!
August 15th, 2008 at 11:49 amChina while smiling, will slit the Russians throats.
August 15th, 2008 at 11:51 amRussia still hasn’t forgiven the Polish people and Polish Pope for humiliating them, with Ron Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Lech Walsa et al.
The Reds want the Polish people dead.
August 15th, 2008 at 11:54 amAny excuse will do. I’m sure Pootyputz will continue his march, notwithstanding the failing state of his troops.
He can’t stop now w/o losing momentum/face.
Oops. Walesa.
August 15th, 2008 at 11:54 amJokes aside, that’s pretty scary shit. We had better be ready and that means no Obie.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:00 pmThuggery at its best
August 15th, 2008 at 12:03 pmhttp://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA&eurl=http://stix1972.typepad.com/
August 15th, 2008 at 12:08 pmInterceptor missile systems are not the same as nuclear weapons. Maybe this general needs to go back to school.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:17 pmWhoops, I missed that the above was already posted!!
August 15th, 2008 at 12:17 pmWhoops, I missed that the above was already posted!!
Yeah, I did … thanks to you
August 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pmI can’t help but sit here and smile at the Ohio class upgraded to 24 crusies per tube and they can be Nukes btw too.
Pop, pop papop pop,
just as fast as the fire control system can pass targets lists to outbound destruction.
He should just stfu, bend over and take it like the bolshevik that he is, hey Drill we need that “My asshole is this BIG salute” as a smiley just for these pricks.
August 15th, 2008 at 1:28 pmWould someone please explain to me why Russia is doing this now, just before our Presidential election? With the obvious threat Russia is hurling at us, surely they must realize the voters will only gravitate towards the experienced military guy and away from the rhetorical eunuch.
So why are they doing this now, when it would be a better strategy for them to lay in wait and perhaps lull America into voting for The Magic Negro(tm), and then after Nov. 4 go full tilt in humiliating America before the world, knowing that Winnie-the-Pooh’s disciple won’t have the steel to confront them.
Why?
August 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pm“He should just stfu, bend over and take it like the bolshevik that he is, hey Drill we need that ‘My asshole is this BIG salute’ smiley…”
LOL! Be careful what you wish for. With that scowl of a face, Nogovitsyn has probably bent over many times already in his career. Hell, he’s probably the Goatse guy who’ll show us his “crater from Hell” that we can aim our interceptor missiles at!
August 15th, 2008 at 2:19 pmI’ve been wondering the same thing, and perhaps the most plausible explanation is that Putin determined, on a purely military level, that this is the most favorable time to strike. Right now, US combat personnel are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan, but with things improving in Iraq, this situation is going to dramatically change over the next 3 years. Surely, Putin knows that Russia’s expansionist window of opportunity is at its widest now, but it is beginning to close. If this is the case, the US elections won’t figure much, if at all, into the Kremlin’s calculus.
Another plausible scenario is that Russia, in cahootz with the mullahs in Tehran, decided to open up a second front against the US before the Bush Administration leaves office. As you’ve probably heard, there’s been a lot of talk about W giving the green light to bomb Iran between now and the inauguration of the next president.
Watch if Russia moves on Ukraine in the immediate future. If so, I would suspect a combination of those two explanations.
Another plausible explanation is that Putin, observing the self-destructive political Left in this country, is gambling that his actions won’t effect our presidential election at all. Perhaps he doesn’t even care - after all, Russia’s greatest strength is its utter disregard for world opinion.
Last, but least likely, it is possible that Putin miscalculated, just as Osama bin Laden miscalculated when he attacked the US on 9/11. It’s conceivable that the Kremlin’s arrogance and vindictiveness could have gotten the best of its thinking.
August 15th, 2008 at 3:47 pmThank you. That is the most informed, cogent analysis I’ve seen; especially your first three paragraphs.
Playing “armchair psychologist/theologian” this morning, I’m intrigued with juxtapositioning your statement, “Russia’s greatest strength is its utter disregard for world opinion,” with the Biblical scripture of (I’m paraphrasing here from memory) that what we pride as our strengths tend to be revealed as our weaknesses (My sister being a prime example, but a discussion for another time. :twisted:), and which you touched upon in your last paragraph.
What do you think of Pres. Bush’s counter-move, of sending humanitarian aid via military channels, with the implied threat of counterattack of Russia tries to interfere or fire upon our troops?
I agree with your analysis, that Putin is trying to open a second front and thereby draw us away from attacking Iran. Acknowledging what an accomplished card-shark the President is, do you think Russia’s actions will divert him from attacking Iran? Or do you think that perhaps the “humanitarian-via-military” approach is his way of calling Putin’s bluff with a minimum of drain on our military readiness to liberate Iran?
August 16th, 2008 at 6:47 amI think the President’s decision to conduct a conduct a “humanitarian-via-military” airlift into Tbilisi, was both the least and most that we could offer our Georgian allies at this time. As you point out, this sends an important message to the Russians - Tbilisi is the territorial and political red-line that the USA will not permit to be crossed in this conflict. To use your analogy of the high stakes geostrategic poker game, Bush is not only calling Putin’s bluff, he is also letting Putin know that regime change is not in the cards.
As for Iran is concerned, I think Russia may have actually made the mullahcracy’s position more precarious - with world, and particularly European, attention focused on the Caucasus, now would be the perfect time for Israel to take Ayatollah Khamenei’s nuclear aspirations down a notch (unfortunately, Olmert is too weak to exploit this opportunity). To compound matters further, the Russians are also strengthening John McCain’s prospects for election, as you pointed out in your first post. If Putin and the Khumeinists think that opening a second front in the Caucasus will benefit Iran, they are sorely mistaken. Beyond Georgia, the biggest loser in this war may turn out to be Iran - it’s no wonder that so many people think that the US and Russia have reached a secret accommodation behind closed doors.
August 17th, 2008 at 5:57 am