Dark Side Of The Moon

January 24th, 2009 Posted By .

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The Lunatics (Have Taken Over The Asylum) - Fun Boy Three

10:30

The Weekly Standard:

On his second day in office, President Obama issued an executive order to close the Guantánamo Bay detention camp within one year. He also ordered a suspension of military trials for Guantánamo detainees–including the prosecution of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, an admitted 9/11 plotter–and a review of the status of each detainee. According to the president, shutting the facility will end a “sad chapter in American history” and restore us to the “moral high ground.” What it won’t do is dispose of the 250 prisoners.

As even the New York Times finally acknowledges, there are “sobering intelligence claims against many of the remaining detainees.” Indeed, just last month, five 9/11 plotters held at Guantánamo offered to plead guilty to many terror attacks. One implored Osama bin Laden to “attack the American enemy with all his power.” Another detainee boasted, “I admit to you it is my honor to be an enemy of the United States.” President Obama can close Guantánamo, but that won’t make these terrorists go away.

What is needed now–as Secretary of Defense Gates has acknowledged–is for the executive branch to work with Congress to draft comprehensive legislation that will provide a framework for handling these detainees. Before Guantánamo is closed, this new framework must provide a legal structure for three kinds of cases. First, for detainees against whom there is sufficient admissible evidence of crimes, the administration may seek trials in our criminal justice system. Second, for detainees who cannot successfully be prosecuted but who still pose a danger, the administration
may opt for continued detention somewhere other than Guantánamo. Third, detainees who cannot be tried and are determined to pose no further threat may be released to another country. Each option poses challenges that may be addressed by legislation.

Having rejected the military tribunals established by Congress, President Obama wants to explore trying some of the detainees in our federal courts. He has cited the prosecutions of the 1993 World Trade Center plotters as an instructive legal model. But it is likely that only a fraction of the dangerous detainees can be prosecuted successfully.

First, granting enemy combatants the same constitutional rights as U.S. citizens places an extremely high burden of proof on the United States, while affording alleged terrorists expansive discovery privileges. These privileges may include the right to call witnesses at trial–such as CIA agents, military personnel, and Department of Defense officials. Empowering alleged terrorists to summon these officers from the front lines to appear in court might impede our ability to prevent another attack.

Second, some of the evidence against detainees may be inadmissible in a criminal proceeding because it was obtained either by military interrogation or from a foreign source on promise of confidentiality.

Third, trials could disclose classified information, including sources and methods of intelligence gathering. In the trial of Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman for the 1993 World Trade Center bombings, for example, the prosecution had to share with the defense a list of unindicted co-conspirators. We know now that within 10 days this list of key operatives was in the hands of Osama bin Laden.

In addition to these obstacles, there is the fact that trying alleged terrorists after an attack does little to prevent the next one. Before September 11, the United States treated terrorists like garden-variety criminals. But because of the requirements of our criminal justice system, many dangerous enemies were able to avoid prosecution. Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and at least 18 other 9/11 suspects were actually under indictment in the United States long before 9/11. It did not stop them from attacking us on September 11.
Having recognized that the criminal justice system is inadequate to prevent terrorist acts, we changed our approach to terrorism on 9/11–shifting focus from punishment to prevention. Now that President Obama’s primary responsibility is to keep Americans safe, treating alien terrorists as U.S. criminal defendants may seem less viable than it did on the campaign trail.

In drafting legislation, Congress must be mindful of its duty to protect national security by keeping classified information out of the wrong hands, and it must consider which due process rights should be afforded to alien unlawful enemy combatants.

Classified intelligence–both sources and technologies for conducting terrorist surveillance–must be prevented from reaching terrorists. The current Classified Information Protection Act is inadequate, for the simple reason that court orders do not deter terrorists from disclosing classified information.

One promising option is the establishment of a special Article III national security court, an idea that has gained traction across the political spectrum. Andrew McCarthy, who prosecuted Omar Abdel-Rahman, has proposed such a court, and one of President Obama’s legal advisers, Laurence Tribe of Harvard, has endorsed something similar. In such a court, classified information could be submitted to the judge in his chambers ex parte, with nonclassified summaries provided to the defendant; or classified evidence could be revealed to the defendant’s lawyer only after the lawyer had obtained a security clearance.
Likewise, Congress could amend the Federal Rules of Evidence and the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, specifying the process due for alleged alien terrorists. The new procedures could modify discovery rights and evidentiary rules without offending the Constitution.

CONTINUED DETENTION

The Supreme Court has recognized the president’s power to detain enemy combatants in time of war. And President Obama acknowledged in his executive order that there may be detainees who cannot successfully be prosecuted, but still pose a danger. The Obama administration may learn that to protect our national security we must use preventive detention, as we have for the past seven years. President Obama can fulfill his campaign promise to “close Guantánamo,” but many of the most dangerous detainees may simply have to be transferred to a similar detention center with a different name.

Presuming detainees are moved to a military base or prison in the United States, they will inevitably seek to challenge their detention in federal courts. This summer, the Supreme Court ruled in Boumediene v. Bush that detainees held at Guantánamo could file habeas petitions in U.S. courts to contest their detention. This holding almost certainly will apply to detainees transferred into the United States. (Indeed, a federal judge just held a hearing to consider whether Boumediene reaches a military prison in Afghanistan where the United States holds approximately three times the number of detainees now at Guantánamo Bay.)

In the seven months since Boumediene, Congress has neglected to set up rules to govern these detention proceedings. It has failed to act despite pleas from both the executive and judicial branches: Former attorney general Michael Mukasey urged Congress “to pass legislation to ensure that the proceedings mandated by the Supreme Court are conducted in a responsible and prompt way.” And the chief judge of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia asked Congress for “guidance sooner rather than later.” These pleas fell on deaf ears. The response of the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Democrat Patrick Leahy, was to throw up his hands: “I don’t know how we’d ever get anything this complex and get the kind of consensus needed to get something passed.”

As a result, federal judges–with no particular national security expertise–have been compelled to make up rules for these proceedings case by case. Judges are left to decide how to handle classified information, witness testimony, discovery rights, and many other issues. And their decisions are bound to vary from courtroom to courtroom, introducing inconsistency and unpredictability. (A district court judge drafted guidelines, but they are discretionary.)

Congress should enact rules to govern suits brought by unlawful enemy combatants challenging their detention. It should assume that the process constitutionally due to alien enemies may be quite different from the process due to U.S. citizens in a criminal case. As the Supreme Court explained in United States v. Hamdi, “enemy combatant proceedings may be tailored to alleviate their uncommon potential to burden the Executive at a time of ongoing military conflict.”

With that in mind, there are at least three provisions that should be included to help protect our national security. First, our troops on the battlefield must not be hauled into court by unlawful enemy combatants. The rules could instruct that military personnel generally do not have to appear as witnesses in these proceedings, perhaps submitting affidavits in lieu of live testimony. Second, just as in detainee trials, classified information must be protected from falling into the hands of enemies. Rules governing habeas proceedings could resemble those for detainee prosecutions and provide for ex parte submission of classified information. Third, unlawful enemy combatants held outside the United States must not be permitted to enter our borders to appear at habeas proceedings. Mukasey warned of the “extraordinary” security effort required to transport a detainee to the United States. Rules could provide that an enemy combatant could attend the habeas proceeding and take the stand only via video link. Finally, if Congress sets up a national security court for detainee trials, it could provide that court with exclusive jurisdiction over detention proceedings.

RELEASE

Even releasing detainees who are no longer deemed to be a threat may prove easier said than done. For one thing, it may be difficult to discern who is no longer dangerous. According to the Pentagon, more than 60 former detainees have resumed their terrorist mission. For example, Abdul Ghaffar, a former Guantánamo detainee, returned to Afghanistan and allegedly became a leader of the Taliban. Similarly, after his release, Abdullah Mehsud plotted the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers in Pakistan. Yet another example, Mohamed Yusif Yaqub, reportedly organized a jailbreak in Afghanistan, as well as a nearly successful capture of the town of Spin Boldak. And these are men the United States determined were not a major threat.

In addition, for each detainee cleared for release, the Obama administration will have to consider carefully whether the receiving country is willing and able to prevent the individual from taking up arms. Some 40 percent of remaining Guantánamo detainees are Yemeni, and Yemen has a poor record in this regard. Three former detainees released to Yemen have been identified as the perpetrators of the bombing of the U.S. embassy there last September that killed at least 16 people. Although the government of Yemen has promised to institute a rehabilitation program for former detainees, a senior U.S. official expressed “significant concerns” about its capacity to follow through.

Worse yet, some detainees may not be accepted by any country. The new administration can either continue to detain these people while seeking an accommodating nation or release them into the United States. One district judge has already ordered 17 detainees from Guantánamo brought to the United States and released into our nation’s capital. The government strenuously objected, arguing that detainee release into the United States “squarely conflicts with the immigration laws.” These detainees have not yet been released in Washington only because the issue is on appeal.

Although President Obama has not specified his plans for detainees who cannot be returned to another country, it seems unlikely he will choose to release them within our borders. Secretary Gates recently called on Congress to pass a law providing “that if somebody is released from Guantánamo they cannot seek asylum in the United States.”

According to the Bush Justice Department, the Immigration and Nationality Act already prohibits a court from ordering the release into the United States of an alien Guantánamo detainee. Moreover, our immigration laws bar entry to anyone who “has received military-type training .  .  . from or on behalf of any organization that, at the time the training was received, was a terrorist organization.” This provision could cover many of the current detainees.

Despite these statutes, certain judges need further instruction on this point. Congress could revise the immigration laws, as Gates suggested, to deny Guantánamo detainees asylum in the United States. The bill could perhaps allow them to apply for entry to America if no accepting country had been found within a certain amount of time.

To conclude: To close Guantánamo, there must be comprehensive legislation covering detainee trials, continued detention, and release. A few days after the election, the New York Times ran a full-page ACLU ad urging Obama to close Guantánamo “on day one, with the stroke of a pen.” If only reality were as simple as rhetoric.

Stephanie Hessler is a former constitutional lawyer for the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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17:39

I spoke to Andy Levy at “Red Eye” and got Gunny Pop booked on the show on this Thursday night, January 29. Be there or be passed out drunk.

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75 Responses to “Dark Side Of The Moon”

  1. Knottie

    :arrow: Pat

    Basically Obama wiped his ass then took a shit. Leave it to the liberals to go about everything backwards.

    Love the song. ;)

  2. md_vet

    I like the Pink Floyd version better…. :)

  3. Kermit

    :arrow: md_vet
    Yep one of the best albums ever.

    Really I don’t what WTF his admin is thinking other than down the road will make up a reason to delay his decision. It appears to be more a keeping a campaign promise without actually having to keep it.

  4. Kermit

    Is the Big One coming to California?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fault-quakes24-2009jan24,0,7734479.story

    What will happen to the liberal districts in that state? I know a few very good conservatives on the wrong side of the fault.

  5. That was our theme song in our store we use to have. We called it The Asylum. God, am I freaking out? Bought another box of ammo and a water filter kit. Going to the store to buy more canned goods and I am working feverishly to save every peeny I can get. Someone tell me I’m just a nut!

  6. German Dragon

    :arrow: cclezel

    You’re not a nut. At the top of my shopping list is a Dillon Reloader and 50-pound sacks of rice, beans, wheat, and other staples.

    It’s going to get butt-ugly before long.

  7. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    German Dragon, did Pat send you my email address? And if so, have you contemplated using it yet?

  8. Charlotte Lequieu

    God will call all those home on the list of names who have accepted Jesues and the son of god who died on the cross and shed his blood to pay for our sins so we may have ever lasting life. I suggest you take this seriously. I am going with the rapture before all hell breaks loose.

    If your not going at that time you will have seven years of tribulation to confess your sins and accept Jeauses. After that God will cast the devil and all the lost souls into the pit of fire and burn in eternal damnation.

    Your choice now later or never. May God Bless us all.

  9. American Woman (bitter clinger to my guns and religion)

    Of course they will be transfered, but saying he closed gitmo will make him a hero. Its all about symbolism with the libutards. I bet they will send them to Alaska just to give Palin a hard time.

    Also with all the ACLU judges we have out there trying these dirty fucking evil bastards in our courts will just blow all national security and intellegance so we are a third world country.
    They are working hard to destroy the economy, then security [amnesty]then unarm us. bam we are cuba!

  10. Just got back from the CRV’s statewide convention. Lemme just say, we have a new wave of vibrant & dedicated young conservative Republicans, in the making. If the current Republican establishment goes back to what works, the good days will return again, mark my words. Not to mention, there are some real babes. Seriously.

    Oh, and the VT chapter accounted for itself, very well today; one of our officers now finds herself the new chair of the VaCRs, and another won his reelection for 2nd vicechair.

  11. Knottie

    Gunny Pop!! OOOHHH RAH

  12. Kermit

    :arrow: Andy
    While volunteering in our congressional campaign this summer/fall, I met lots of CR’s. The gals were definitely not very hard to look at especially for a dirty old man like me.

  13. Iceland ’bout to collapse :sad:

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/Business/Default.aspx?id=397312

    We’ve got a good friend there…Magnus Johanasson
    He sold Budweiser and we traded (Missouri)squirrel tails for smoked salmon. I kid you not. He had a sporting goods store and the squirrel tails were perfect lures for salmon fishing. No squirrel’s in Iceland, so I shot a bunch of squirrels for him :mrgreen:
    I Hope he is ok.

  14. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Pat,

    NOT trying to be a pain, but did you receive an email from me?

    I just got a return of a bunch of emails I sent out. No clue why, but…

  15. Steve Rogers

    an interesting video posted over @ no pasaran!

    http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2009/01/liberation-of-iraq.html

  16. Kermit

    Has the Obambi juggernaut slowed considerably?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275672929711875.html

    Once again, as I said before the GOP has some tricks up its sleeve, as relayed to me by someone who has influence with Cornyn, and a number of others in the legislature, as well as some members of the House of Lords in the UK.

  17. Kermit

    I am watching Pelosi being “interviewed” by Stephanopoulos right now. My experience working in a psychiatric hospital auditing charts to make sure that the docs, nurses & techs where not skipping anything leads me to think of one thing everytime Pelosi talks. That gal has pressured speech which seems to be arrested by meds. There possibly is some tardive dyskinesia from anti-psychotic meds like Haldol.

  18. Please pray this for Pat:

    Lord Jesus you have said,
    John 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

    Lord, please help Pat launch Young Americans, give him peace and endurance. Amen

  19. Sandy

    Sending prayers for Pat and the whole Dollard team littlefox.

    Thought you guys would like this vid:

    Sean Hannity’s ‘Media Mash’—Obamagasms

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v48kBu012wE

  20. :arrow: Am I the only one who gets spooked, every time I hear that beeping noise from the current Mp3 track?

    Speaking of Mp3s, I managed to tank my old iPod, by accidentally immersing in in Gatorade. This was on the trip back to Richmond, for the CRFV convention. Well, at least it was a rather-amusing incident; I believe the sheer volume of electrolytes in the drink managed to briefly charge the device (the charging icon showed up, despite not being plugged into a power source), until it short-circuited. :lol:

    Oh well, the sound quality from the iPhone seems to be superior.

    :arrow: 17:39

    Levy & Gutter rule. Just wish the show was on earlier. Does FNC honestly need to have “The O’Reilly Factor” on at 11pm EST, every damn weeknight?

  21. :arrow: Fuck Firefox, I meant Gutfeld.

  22. Anyone heard of the Mackinder Heartland theory? Supposedly this theory is “out of date” and largely “debunked” according to a human geography professor I had, but the Mackinder Heartland theory, when connected to Islam and the Islamic world’s regional partners, seems to be an exact blueprint for what I believe is going to go down over the next several years. You feel what I’m sayin’?

  23. German Dragon

    :arrow: Hardball1911

    No, I have not yet received your email address. Pat, please forward it to me and I’ll contact you.

    BTW, which branch did you serve in? Was it the Marines? If so, if you know any retired Marines in the West Michigan area, I may be asking a favor of you once I’m in the position to ask it.

    I’ve mentioned before that I believe my calling in God is to serve Him through motion pictures, and with the direction the country is headed I now understand why. In my opinion, we have to confront the pop culture to force it into a battle of ideologies, otherwise, we will lose the country over time.

    I’m currently engaged in a battle of another sort, and once I win that one I’ll be back doing prep work on my first film, with the goal of producing one or more “demo clips” by sometime in Spring. Once I have some clips to show, if you don’t mind I’d like to email them to you to get your opinion. The story arc is the Battle of Good vs. Evil, told in the style of C.S. Lewis and the first film expresses it through the Iraq War.

    I have the theology down, as well as most of the psychology. Where I come up short is never having served. What I need are some retired Marines who would “take me under their wing,” so to speak, so that I can “fill my eyes” with that Marine psyche, letting it get so deep within me that it then comes up out of me to guide the screenplay and the animation. Pat should know what I’m talking about. (For budget reasons, this is likely a 2-D animated flick, much like Disney’s older films.)

    At one of our previous Muskegon Film Festivals, I had a chance to discuss the project with a retired Marine and another fellow connected with the local movie business. They both loved it, and had no problem following with the way I weave the spiritual symbolism into the story arc. So I know I’m onto something good.

    Anyway, we can discuss this in email if you like. As for Frankenstein, there’s no way to avoid it if we communicate electronically. Plus, I have a gut feeling (could be wrong) that the intel agencies understand the threat Bambi has to them and perhaps they understand this particular threat cannot be attacked from within their community. It can only be attacked from the outside, by people like us.

    :arrow: Kermit

    Regarding Pelosi and Tardive Dyskinesia: ROTFLMAO! Haven’t watched her in awhile, but that was a good catch on your part. We’ll now have to watch for her smacking her lips or rolling her tongue.

    Would you conjecture that her seeming anxiety or restlessness might be evidence for Tardive Akathisia?

    7:10pm over here. Time to head for the barn and prepare for tomorrow.

  24. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    :arrow: German Dragon

    I am former Army.

    And for the hell of it, use my name and add hotmail after it…

  25. German Dragon

    One more point before I leave for the night.

    One of the design conceits of Frankenstein is that potential targets could be identified by a computerized psychological profile maintained on each of us, derived from all of the “audit trails” we leave in the wakes of our daily lives. Especially where web browsing is concerned, because the designers thought that’s where people will most likely indulge their “ids” or secret “appetites of the flesh” that they would never otherwise reveal. In short, they reveal what they are interested in, what’s “inside themselves” by what they search for and look at.

    It can be a powerful analysis technique, but only if the subject doesn’t realize s/he is being monitored. The risk is that the subject could “turn the tables” on Frankenstein by using their choice of web browsing targets to willfully plant disinformation into Frankenstein’s surveillance-gathering mechanism for the purposes of the subject. This was something I did back in 2005/6 to “smoke out” a snitch I nick-named “Rat Boy” and which later unmasked a second snitch that was recruited to watch me before he could even begin his task.

    I’m saying this to make this point: While human behavior is LARGELY predictable, computer behavior is ALWAYS predictable. That’s because computers are rule-based finite-state machines. That’s why pseudo-random number generators used in crypto on computers are such agony to effectively develop. And that is, at least in the short term, the Achille’s Heel of Frankenstein. No matter how good or polished its programming, Frankenstein will never, ever be able to fully anticipate the ambiguity of the humans it watches. People will always end up doing something that Frankenstein wasn’t programmed to anticipate, and in so doing Frankenstein will reveal its inner workings to the targets it monitors — but only it they know what to look for. That is largely how I learned as much as I have about Frankie. And that is how it can be defeated.

  26. German Dragon

    :arrow: Hardball1911

    Cool. I’m about out the door, but I’ll drop you a quick note before I leave.

  27. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Is there a show tonight?

  28. Somebody drag Pat outta bed. Still no show scheduled.

  29. Bob USMC

    The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum”
    Bwahahahahah!!

    Sad but true.

  30. WTF? No show tonight?!
    Awwww shit, I’ve turned into a needy bastard.

  31. Kermit

    Looks like no show tonight

  32. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Allen, don’t worry, I asked first…lol You are only half as needy as I.

  33. AZ Patriot (Μολὼν λαβέ)

    :arrow: Hardball1911

    Just shot you an email.

  34. AZ Patriot (Μολὼν λαβέ)

    :arrow: Jenny

    Life’s not over it’s just school sucks keep hanging with us and you’ll be ok. :mrgreen:

  35. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Jenny…. let’s see…. Just think “faces” and you won’t use those two words together again…. :)

  36. BlueOval8950

    Jenny -

    Goodbye, I will miss you. :sad:

    5 UD Labs…Christ are you a masochist or something?

    Now I am really going to feel bad about texting or emailing you, knowing you have that kind of workload to deal with.

    BTW Hope your weekend was good! :smile:

  37. Bob USMC

    Jeeeeez Jenny, what classes are you taking anyways? No way to spread that stuff out?

  38. Well, since there’s no show, I say we throw a guns, meth, and coke party! I can supply the guns.

  39. POD1 (will kill liberals for food)

    No show huh?
    There goes my Sunday night inspiration.

  40. BlueOval8950

    Sorry Andy, yoou need to get the Meth and Hookers. You simply don’t have enough guns to go around.

  41. …Then again, I don’t we have anywhere near the number of women here, to produce the minimum 60f:40m ratio. Without that, parties tend to… get out of hand, rather quickly.

  42. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Shot it back AZ :)

  43. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Chat at my host site… till we hear different.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/host/HostChat.aspx?HostUserURL=Hardball1911

  44. BlueOval8950

    Jenny -

    “Or was there last night.”

    Methinks you hit the nail on the head.

    :lol:

  45. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Blue, guys get on my chat for now… Jenny and I are alone, and if she doesn’t get the help….. ya just never know. ;)

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/host/HostChat.aspx?HostUserURL=Hardball1911

  46. Sandy

    I am confident that you will kick ass on those labs Jenny!

    You will still be able to stop in here some I hope.

  47. AZ Patriot (Μολὼν λαβέ)

    Trying page is still loading

  48. AZ Patriot (Μολὼν λαβέ)

    hmm it just takes me to my btr home page

  49. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    AZ, look me up through the search feature. See if it has a chat link there.

  50. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Dirty…. I like that Jenny.

    Like “the faces”…. :)

  51. Been doing some thinking about what to do with the cocksuckers in Gitmo, and it hit me.

    Give them sex change operations and sell them to a Turkish brothel.

    Everybody wins. We don’t have to house or feed them, they don’t get executed, and we can make a little money on the deal.

    Course, they’ll soon wish we HAD killed them, and since they’re going to allah as women, they won’t get 72 virgins, but at least they have a chance of being the first wife out of 4,000 or so to a jihadi who managed to get himself killed as a male.

    Or, as koran says happens to most women, they burn in hell forever.

    Meh, their problem, not mine.

  52. Lftbhndagn (God, Family & Country)

    :arrow: 17:39

    I spoke to Andy Levy at “Red Eye” and got Gunny Pop booked on the show on this Thursday night, January 29.
    ———————————–

    :beer:

  53. I think Pat is exhausted. :sad: He needs time off and prayers for healing all kinds of wounds. He also needs prayer against numerous attacks he is presently under.
    I know many here are prayerful people…so I am just saying, keep it up and use your sword!

    :arrow: Jenny-O
    Did I see Marine Bio? :idea: Come here for Spring Break. Take the turbo PADI course to get cert. You might be able to get some credit…talk to your Prof.

    btw…the water is warm here :smile: and visibility can be 200 ft. :!: If you jump out of airplanes you will LOVE scuba diving!
    My husband won’t let anything happen to you! His degree is Marine Bio and he was a instructor/commercial diver before he started selling Budweiser. :wink:

  54. tanicacid

    German Dragon:

    As an old Marine I can relay some mind set for your project. The focus is on the mission given weather it’s security, support functions or search out and destroy human beings. That is sanctioned killing authorized by the Green ID card in their wallets. The basic loyalty builds up from the guys around them on up. They also know there’s an 80% chance their efforts will be betrayed by their political leaders and they still do it, knowing they will be scrutinized every step of the way and possibly face a court martial. That makes the hair on their neck stand up more quickly than most as the risk is not only from the enemy, but from their own leaders…they love it.

    Gitmo closing; What a crock, they’ll be housed in our already over crowded prisons and have access to the local inmates for recruitment. What happened to their POW status? Bin Laden formally declared war on us in ‘93 and Clinton sloughed that off until Bush formalized the declaration of war. Ergo using the military courts for POW’s as agreed to by world courts. I guess the Taliban won the war or something.

  55. Pat,

    Get well soon, there was a collective sigh in the bunker last night.

    You did give us some extra shows last week, that helped ease the pain: the insertion of a fuckstick.

  56. :arrow: Drill
    Thank you for flyin solo!

    Here’s something to satisfy us pd.com addicts for awhile…

    http://homepage.mac.com/zaragozapictures/iMovieTheater99.html

    GO ARMY…We love you guys!

  57. TBinSTL (just typical)

    If any of you Californicators can make time….
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2172191/posts

  58. German Dragon

    :arrow: tanicacid

    Thank you for the input. The “search out and destroy human beings” roughly correlates to one Marine friend I had, before he got himself convicted for shooting up the headboard on his bed while his common-law wife was in it. Long, long story. Nice guy, would give you the shirt off his back, absolutely someone you want covering your flank in a fight. But when he was smiling at you, especially at a relaxed setting like at a party, there was “something” radiating out of him that unequivocally said “I am the predator, and you are the prey. Don’t bother running, as you’ll only be tired when I rip your throat out.” Scared the holy fuck out of me, every time. :smile:

    The reason I’m gravitating towards the Marines for my film project goes back to Sgt. Rock’s famous email he sent to Pat. What he and his fellows Marines did for that Iraqi family is indelibly printed in my mind, and so I want them portrayed with the honor and respect they deserve.

    :arrow: Hardball1911

    Got your email. I’m extraordinarily tied up over the next couple of days, so it might be later in the week before I can reply. For now, I would stress reticence in what you are proposing. Jesus said, “count the costs before you begin.” That applies to your project, because in my opinion you are about to step into a mine-field.

  59. :arrow: Nice story!

    KURTIS THE STOCK BOY
    AND
    BRENDA THE CHECKOUT GIRL

    In a supermarket, Kurtis the stock boy, was busily working when a new voice
    came over the loud speaker asking for a carry out at register 4. Kurtis was
    almost finished, and wanted to get some fresh air, and decided to answer the
    call. As he approached the check-out stand a distant smile caught his eye, the
    new check-out girl was beautiful. She was an older woman (maybe 26, and he was
    only 22) and he fell in love.

    Later that day, after his shift was over, he waited by the punch clock to find
    out her name. She came into the break room, smiled softly at him, took her card
    and punched out, then left. He looked at her card, BRENDA. He walked out only
    to see her start walking up the road. Next day, he waited outside as she left
    the supermarket, and offered her a ride home. He looked harmless enough, and she
    accepted. When he dropped her off, he asked if maybe he could see her again,
    outside of work. She simply said it wasn’t possible.

    He pressed and she explained she had two children and she couldn’t afford a
    baby-sitter, so he offered to pay for the baby-sitter. Reluctantly she accepted
    his offer for a date for the following Saturday. That Saturday night he arrived
    at her door only to have her tell him that she was unable to go with him. The
    baby-sitter had called and canceled. To which Kurtis simply said, “Well,
    let’s take the kids with us.”

    She tried to explain that taking the children was not an option, but again not
    taking no for an answer, he pressed. Finally Brenda, brought him inside to meet
    her children. She had an older daughter who was just as cute as a bug, Kurtis
    thought, then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair. He was born a
    paraplegic with Down Syndrome.

    Kurtis asked Brenda, “I still don’t understand why the kids can’t
    come with us?” Brenda was amazed. Most men would run away from a woman
    with two kids, especially if one had disabilities - just like her first husband
    and father of her children had done. Kurtis was not ordinary - - - he had a
    different mindset.

    That evening Kurtis and Brenda loaded up the kids, went to dinner and the
    movies. When her son needed anything Kurtis would take care of him. When he
    needed to use the restroom, he picked him up out of his wheelchair, took him and
    brought him back. The kids loved Kurtis. At the end of the evening, Brenda
    knew this was the man she was going to marry and spend the rest of her life
    with.

    A year later, they were married and Kurtis adopted both of her children.
    Since then they have added two more kids. (THEY NOW HAVE 7)

    So what happened to Kurtis the stock boy and Brenda the check-out girl? Well,
    Mr. & Mrs. Kurt Warner now live in Arizona , where he is currently employed
    as the quarterback of the National Football League Arizona Cardinals and has his
    Cardinals in the Super Bowl. Is this a
    surprise ending or could you have guessed that he was not an ordinary person.

    It should be noted that he also quarterbacked the Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI. He has also been the NLF’s Most Valuable Player twice and the Super Bowl’s Most Valuable Player.

    GO CARDINALS !!!!!!!

  60. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    German Dragon

    I wouldn’t have it any other way.

    The thing is, my decision as for help or no help has to be based on who can make it through the minefield intact, and who would drag their feet so to speak. :)

    Legally, what I have proposed is neither illegal, nor is there precedent for it, so I am not worried about that portion of the field.

    That leaves portions of the field that haven’t been explored either, but may present obstacles which can be navigated around, if not flat out disarmed. For there to be resistance against it, there has to be illegality from the resistors, so that portion is easily handled.

    Have I talked enough circles for the laymen yet? ;)

    Anway Dragon, I am aware of the minefield. Minefields don’t scare me. Unchecked tyranny does, however, which is why I have brought up to you what I did. Just another tool in the suppression of tyranny, just another form of salvation from the hungry giant… That’s all… Leave him hungry, and he is weakened.

  61. BlueOval8950

    littlefox - Great post, those are the types of stories this country really needs more of!!!

  62. Kermit

    Well gang I was talking with two Dow Chemical employees today, and the layoffs are now coming in the chemical industry. It is gonna hit hard according to them. It hit their largest plant site, Freeport, TX recently and looks like it is hitting here as well. I am not sure about other companies and sties around the Gulf Coast.

  63. Kermit

    From the Whipping Post (GOP House Whip)
    ANTICIPATED FLOOR SCHEDULE
    On Tuesday, the House will meet at 10:30 a.m. for Morning Hour and 12:00 p.m. for legislative business. Last votes expected: 5 p.m.

    One Minutes

    S. 181 - Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (Closed Rule, One Hour of General Debate) (Sponsored by Sen. Mikulski / Education and Labor Committee)

    H.R. 1 - American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (General Debate Rule, Three and a Half Hours of General Debate) (Sponsored by Rep. Obey / Appropriations Committee)

    Suspension (1 bill)

    1) S. 328 - To delay the Digital Television Transition until June 13, 2009, as amended (Sponsored by Sen. Rockefeller / Energy and Commerce Committee)

    WEDNESDAY’S FORECAST
    On Wednesday, the House will meet at 10:00 a.m. for legislative business.

    Complete Consideration of H.R. 1 - American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
    (Subject to a Rule) (Sponsored by Rep. Obey / Appropriations Committee)

  64. TBinSTL (just typical)

    :arrow: littlefox ( in St. Croix building Ft. Freedom one prayer at a time)

    Yes its snowing like a mutha and she is still here(just got back from a walk in the snow in the park)

    :arrow: Jenny-O

    I got to spend some time talking with Kurt and his his boy. They are both are simply incredible. I’ve met a lot of sports stars while working for TWA on the charter flights. He is with out a doubt the best of them that I’ve met.

  65. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    :arrow: AZPatriot

    You like puzzles…

    ITEQ HTOM LJFX DHFR XYOO KYUK XJJP AKNG URXV ZGZY MSKH HFAI OMPH PRJG ZTFT YAFB TFGT PXBQ AUPC IVNG OQKY WVMG WPGK OJCE LZOD MEOH PNUI QTFZ X

    I think you know the key will follow. :mrgreen:

  66. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    If anyone is interested, I have a chat up again. Nobody there but me atm…

  67. :arrow: littlefox

    Thats a nice story. Too bad the Steelers are going to DESTROY sweet Kurt’s Cardinals. AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA, GO STEELERS!!!! :twisted: :beer:

  68. Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)

    Ben’ll choke…

  69. While certainly not JKH, Mark Levin had a first rate show today. He is frankly calling the stimulus scam Socialism, control, and quid pro quo pork. Listen by clicking my screen name.

  70. All I know is that we were getting close to having some Justice after 8 long years and then Obama stoped the trian dead in its tracks. We got to attend and testify at al-Buhluls trial at Gitmo and I was happy to watch his face as he got friking life. Will not surprise me if the ACLU does not get it dropped. But we have been waiting for al-Nashiri and bin attash who helped with the Cole attack which killed our son. We are supposed to have a Jidicial hearing this year on the Cole mess, but now that Hilary is back she will stop it. In the end these terrorists loving liberals will see to it that all the scum at Gitmo is freed. And now they are talking about having them sue America for being jailed already. The ACLU is just a political correct name for Al-Qaeda. Nice site by the way. Remember the Cole! :mad:

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