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		<title>By: Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-385239</link>
		<dc:creator>Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:arrow:  littlefox

It appears to me that they are capitalizing on basic stuff you can get from the hardware store (except for the gas mask) for less. They are charging for putting it all into one container. 

If you really want long term storage type items, you can get them from the grocery store, or order a boatload (no pun intended) of Ball jars and can your own foods. It really isn&#039;t that difficult, and the basics can be found via a search engine. Meats, veggies, etc. can all be canned and stored for 2-5 years if processed and stored properly. The tools, hell, go to the local shops and get what you think you&#039;ll need. Everything you might need to build a house, will probably work tool wise. Basic hammer, a basic axe, knives (assorted types) and just stick to the basics. Mankind has lived for thousands of years without the packaging that company is offering, I am quite sure mankind can do it further without it as well. 

Common sense goes a long way toward getting your own survival equipment together, and the items you&#039;ll need is based on your locale. A good water purification system (non chlorine based, as well as a never needing to replaced filter) is a good choice. I personally use a drop of bleach to five gallons of water, which is less chlorine that you will get through most water taps these days, but enough to do the job. It won&#039;t be Britta filter type quality, but it will be drinkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif' alt=':arrow:' class='wp-smiley' />   littlefox</p>
<p>It appears to me that they are capitalizing on basic stuff you can get from the hardware store (except for the gas mask) for less. They are charging for putting it all into one container. </p>
<p>If you really want long term storage type items, you can get them from the grocery store, or order a boatload (no pun intended) of Ball jars and can your own foods. It really isn&#8217;t that difficult, and the basics can be found via a search engine. Meats, veggies, etc. can all be canned and stored for 2-5 years if processed and stored properly. The tools, hell, go to the local shops and get what you think you&#8217;ll need. Everything you might need to build a house, will probably work tool wise. Basic hammer, a basic axe, knives (assorted types) and just stick to the basics. Mankind has lived for thousands of years without the packaging that company is offering, I am quite sure mankind can do it further without it as well. </p>
<p>Common sense goes a long way toward getting your own survival equipment together, and the items you&#8217;ll need is based on your locale. A good water purification system (non chlorine based, as well as a never needing to replaced filter) is a good choice. I personally use a drop of bleach to five gallons of water, which is less chlorine that you will get through most water taps these days, but enough to do the job. It won&#8217;t be Britta filter type quality, but it will be drinkable.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt(the infidel)</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-385232</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt(the infidel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey does anyone in here have a Rush 24/7 membership?

there was a discussion about Tom Daschle and the Dems radical ideology about healthcare in this country. talking about how older people should take less medicine and just deal with their problems as they come along with age. and about how people with critical conditions should just accept them and die.

if someone could post that link i would really appreciate it. 

thanks in advance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey does anyone in here have a Rush 24/7 membership?</p>
<p>there was a discussion about Tom Daschle and the Dems radical ideology about healthcare in this country. talking about how older people should take less medicine and just deal with their problems as they come along with age. and about how people with critical conditions should just accept them and die.</p>
<p>if someone could post that link i would really appreciate it. </p>
<p>thanks in advance</p>
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		<title>By: Kermit</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-385214</link>
		<dc:creator>Kermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:arrow: littlefox
No I have not used that company.

The old Cajuns and country folk everywhere used to keep their meet in large fired earthenware urns filled with cooking oil.  It will keep for a while that way, but still eventually go rancid.

I presume that St. Croix has a fair amount of sun and it may be a good idea to invest in a small solar panel set up to provide for a deep freezer.  Home canning works well to.

My grandparents were pretty self sufficient on their small farm.  They had a small vegetable garden of about 1000 square feet, a few dozen chickens for eggs and when a hen quit laying it would end up on the Sunday dinner plate in two weeks.  They had just 3 or 4 cows and one bull.

Since my grandfather was a finishing carpenter they did not need a cash crop.  Lots of the poorer Cajuns who lived in town raised rabbits for meat.

According to my father their diet during the Great Depression consisted of mostly vegetables and eggs with meat served only on Sunday and each received a 4 oz portion.  They ate lots of eggs for their protein.  I&#039;ve got to say that my grandmother&#039;s Sunday chickens were great.  Two weeks in a wire floored cage about two feet above the ground, with water changed twice daily and fresh cracked corn made for very sweet tasty meat.

Now chicken manure is very high in nitrogen so it tends to burn away any flora it consistently touches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif' alt=':arrow:' class='wp-smiley' />  littlefox<br />
No I have not used that company.</p>
<p>The old Cajuns and country folk everywhere used to keep their meet in large fired earthenware urns filled with cooking oil.  It will keep for a while that way, but still eventually go rancid.</p>
<p>I presume that St. Croix has a fair amount of sun and it may be a good idea to invest in a small solar panel set up to provide for a deep freezer.  Home canning works well to.</p>
<p>My grandparents were pretty self sufficient on their small farm.  They had a small vegetable garden of about 1000 square feet, a few dozen chickens for eggs and when a hen quit laying it would end up on the Sunday dinner plate in two weeks.  They had just 3 or 4 cows and one bull.</p>
<p>Since my grandfather was a finishing carpenter they did not need a cash crop.  Lots of the poorer Cajuns who lived in town raised rabbits for meat.</p>
<p>According to my father their diet during the Great Depression consisted of mostly vegetables and eggs with meat served only on Sunday and each received a 4 oz portion.  They ate lots of eggs for their protein.  I&#8217;ve got to say that my grandmother&#8217;s Sunday chickens were great.  Two weeks in a wire floored cage about two feet above the ground, with water changed twice daily and fresh cracked corn made for very sweet tasty meat.</p>
<p>Now chicken manure is very high in nitrogen so it tends to burn away any flora it consistently touches.</p>
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		<title>By: ticticboom (Will Kill For The Constitution)</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-385158</link>
		<dc:creator>ticticboom (Will Kill For The Constitution)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What have we been saying about permanent crisis?

From Ace:

Shocker: Permanent Crisis Used as Pretext to Undo Welfare Reforms and Work Requirements of the 90&#039;s

http://minx.cc/?post=282618

Original:

http://slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/02/07/hello-gops-your-favorite-wedge-issue-is-coming-back.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What have we been saying about permanent crisis?</p>
<p>From Ace:</p>
<p>Shocker: Permanent Crisis Used as Pretext to Undo Welfare Reforms and Work Requirements of the 90&#8242;s</p>
<p><a href="http://minx.cc/?post=282618" rel="nofollow">http://minx.cc/?post=282618</a></p>
<p>Original:</p>
<p><a href="http://slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/02/07/hello-gops-your-favorite-wedge-issue-is-coming-back.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/02/07/hello-gops-your-favorite-wedge-issue-is-coming-back.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-385101</link>
		<dc:creator>Hardball1911(Revolutionary Constitutionalist)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbreakable, 

One of the things they didn&#039;t take into account on that test is the fact that most cinder block construction includes filling of the cells with grout or small aggregate concrete. Most brick facing on houses is done the same, for purposes of creating columns so that the wall has support. Not to mention, most cinder block homes have stucco (at least in Florida) which acts as another layer of concrete, and &quot;stands off&quot; of the wall approximately 1/2&quot; to 3/4&quot; typically and can assume plasticity during high winds, impact, etc. due to the way in which stucco is applied. Another thing they didn&#039;t mention is that they are using rounds specifically meant to penetrate armor, as well as explosive rounds from the 203, etc. Big duh factor in this test. 

This test is nothing more than shooting at unfinished structures, and I can guarantee that there is no structure made with less than 2 feet of concrete that will stop all projectiles anyway. Small arms such as pistols will be stopped by modern structures but higher speed rifle rounds will penetrate. That&#039;s a no brainer. You do stand a better chance in an actual structure, but not much better. 

This is meant to scare people? 98% of combat consists of nothing but concealment anyway. Cover comes in sandbags and less rigid forms of wall making, with the wall being 2&#039; or thicker, this is why training to build bunkers consists of 5 bag deep structures being the minimum for true bunkers. That art has been lost though. Anything rigid will assume the form of the projectiles shot at it at speeds higher than 900 fps. There are actually people here in Florida building their homes with the filled cells using concrete every 4&#039; and sand for every cell other than those. It makes for good insulation as well. I would be interested to see tests on structures like those.

I would have been impressed had they not been using military ammunition, military weapons, etc. and had used conventionally available civilian rounds with civilian semi-auto rifles, shot by hand and not braced to impact at the same point repeatedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbreakable, </p>
<p>One of the things they didn&#8217;t take into account on that test is the fact that most cinder block construction includes filling of the cells with grout or small aggregate concrete. Most brick facing on houses is done the same, for purposes of creating columns so that the wall has support. Not to mention, most cinder block homes have stucco (at least in Florida) which acts as another layer of concrete, and &#8220;stands off&#8221; of the wall approximately 1/2&#8243; to 3/4&#8243; typically and can assume plasticity during high winds, impact, etc. due to the way in which stucco is applied. Another thing they didn&#8217;t mention is that they are using rounds specifically meant to penetrate armor, as well as explosive rounds from the 203, etc. Big duh factor in this test. </p>
<p>This test is nothing more than shooting at unfinished structures, and I can guarantee that there is no structure made with less than 2 feet of concrete that will stop all projectiles anyway. Small arms such as pistols will be stopped by modern structures but higher speed rifle rounds will penetrate. That&#8217;s a no brainer. You do stand a better chance in an actual structure, but not much better. </p>
<p>This is meant to scare people? 98% of combat consists of nothing but concealment anyway. Cover comes in sandbags and less rigid forms of wall making, with the wall being 2&#8242; or thicker, this is why training to build bunkers consists of 5 bag deep structures being the minimum for true bunkers. That art has been lost though. Anything rigid will assume the form of the projectiles shot at it at speeds higher than 900 fps. There are actually people here in Florida building their homes with the filled cells using concrete every 4&#8242; and sand for every cell other than those. It makes for good insulation as well. I would be interested to see tests on structures like those.</p>
<p>I would have been impressed had they not been using military ammunition, military weapons, etc. and had used conventionally available civilian rounds with civilian semi-auto rifles, shot by hand and not braced to impact at the same point repeatedly.</p>
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		<title>By: littlefox ( in St. Croix building Ft. Freedom one prayer at a time)</title>
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		<dc:creator>littlefox ( in St. Croix building Ft. Freedom one prayer at a time)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anybody ever use this company?

http://www.preparedplanet.com/survival-foods.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anybody ever use this company?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.preparedplanet.com/survival-foods.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.preparedplanet.com/survival-foods.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ticticboom (Will Kill For The Constitution)</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-384763</link>
		<dc:creator>ticticboom (Will Kill For The Constitution)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America&#039;s used up all the really good iron ore here. What we have left takes a lot more time and effort to make decent steel.

And the steel unions are worse than the auto unions. The processes have been automated to the point a trained monkey can do it. Which means even a totally uneducated Turk or Chinaman can do it for pennies an hour. And China especially has large deposits of high quality iron ore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America&#8217;s used up all the really good iron ore here. What we have left takes a lot more time and effort to make decent steel.</p>
<p>And the steel unions are worse than the auto unions. The processes have been automated to the point a trained monkey can do it. Which means even a totally uneducated Turk or Chinaman can do it for pennies an hour. And China especially has large deposits of high quality iron ore.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueOval8950</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-384748</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueOval8950</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny -

I heard about that.  Seems Liberalism is a highly contagious sickness in Hollywood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny -</p>
<p>I heard about that.  Seems Liberalism is a highly contagious sickness in Hollywood.</p>
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		<title>By: Unbreakable</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-384703</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbreakable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concealment does *NOT* equal cover. Great USMC video of why our homes would be useless in any kind of standoff. Bullets go THROUGH an American house like Swiss cheese. 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6464268208010199091</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concealment does *NOT* equal cover. Great USMC video of why our homes would be useless in any kind of standoff. Bullets go THROUGH an American house like Swiss cheese. </p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6464268208010199091" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6464268208010199091</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kermit</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/02/moving-and-shaking-for-breaking/#comment-384623</link>
		<dc:creator>Kermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like there may be some international reprocusions from the &quot;Stimulus&quot; Bill.

Last week the Europeans were hollering about the &quot;Stimulus&quot; Bill.  I think that the only thing that it is going to stimulate is my ___ without any vaseline.

I get this daily market report...

Steel Business Briefing, Monday, 9 February 09  SBB Daily Briefing, North America Edition - Plain Text  ***if you do not wish to receive this extra plain text version on your  handheld email device, please reply with &#039;no handheld&#039;***  Kermit Hoffpauir, status: Headlines Service Subscribe to see articles! ============================   New SBB Event:   SBB Steel Focus China 2009 21 April, Shanghai  Register Early and SAVE US$300! http://www.steelbb.com/steelevents/shanghai09/    Preview of Today&#039;s Top Article

Turkish steel assn criticises US protectionist measures

The USAÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Ã¢â‚¬Å“Buy AmericanÃ¢â‚¬Â provision, which encourages the use of domestic steel for projects which will benefit from the governmentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s economic stimulus package, is criticised by the Turkish Iron and Steel producers association as a protectionist measure which hinders free trade and possibly worsens the recession. 

The Secretary general of the association, Veysel Yayan, says Turkey might fight back against such policies. He adds that in times of recession it is better to support free trade instead of taking protective steps, and the US Ã¢â‚¬Å“loses its credibility as a supporter of free trade by implementing these kinds of measures.Ã¢â‚¬Â 

  TODAY&#039;S TOP SBB HEADLINES
- US stimulus will have little direct effect on steel demand
- US surcharges could decline $30/s.ton for March deliveries
- 500 salaried workers take US Steel&#039;s departure incentives
- ISM survey: US end-user outlook improving slightly
- US wire rod prices could continue to fall

  SBB Selection
- Mexico launches AD probe into China fastener imports
- Turkish steel assn criticises US protectionist measures
- US stainless imports rise at start of the year
- US puts final AD duty on Mexican stainless coil after review
- Queiroz GalvÃƒÂ£o plans to idle another blast furnace
- Turkish pipe receives preliminary AD duty from US DOC
- Hearing scheduled for V&amp;M Star&#039;s $639m Ohio expansion
- Mexico&#039;s Tamsa maintains output with strong order book</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like there may be some international reprocusions from the &#8220;Stimulus&#8221; Bill.</p>
<p>Last week the Europeans were hollering about the &#8220;Stimulus&#8221; Bill.  I think that the only thing that it is going to stimulate is my ___ without any vaseline.</p>
<p>I get this daily market report&#8230;</p>
<p>Steel Business Briefing, Monday, 9 February 09  SBB Daily Briefing, North America Edition &#8211; Plain Text  ***if you do not wish to receive this extra plain text version on your  handheld email device, please reply with &#8216;no handheld&#8217;***  Kermit Hoffpauir, status: Headlines Service Subscribe to see articles! ============================   New SBB Event:   SBB Steel Focus China 2009 21 April, Shanghai  Register Early and SAVE US$300! <a href="http://www.steelbb.com/steelevents/shanghai09/" rel="nofollow">http://www.steelbb.com/steelevents/shanghai09/</a>    Preview of Today&#8217;s Top Article</p>
<p>Turkish steel assn criticises US protectionist measures</p>
<p>The USAÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Ã¢â‚¬Å“Buy AmericanÃ¢â‚¬Â provision, which encourages the use of domestic steel for projects which will benefit from the governmentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s economic stimulus package, is criticised by the Turkish Iron and Steel producers association as a protectionist measure which hinders free trade and possibly worsens the recession. </p>
<p>The Secretary general of the association, Veysel Yayan, says Turkey might fight back against such policies. He adds that in times of recession it is better to support free trade instead of taking protective steps, and the US Ã¢â‚¬Å“loses its credibility as a supporter of free trade by implementing these kinds of measures.Ã¢â‚¬Â </p>
<p>  TODAY&#8217;S TOP SBB HEADLINES<br />
- US stimulus will have little direct effect on steel demand<br />
- US surcharges could decline $30/s.ton for March deliveries<br />
- 500 salaried workers take US Steel&#8217;s departure incentives<br />
- ISM survey: US end-user outlook improving slightly<br />
- US wire rod prices could continue to fall</p>
<p>  SBB Selection<br />
- Mexico launches AD probe into China fastener imports<br />
- Turkish steel assn criticises US protectionist measures<br />
- US stainless imports rise at start of the year<br />
- US puts final AD duty on Mexican stainless coil after review<br />
- Queiroz GalvÃƒÂ£o plans to idle another blast furnace<br />
- Turkish pipe receives preliminary AD duty from US DOC<br />
- Hearing scheduled for V&amp;M Star&#8217;s $639m Ohio expansion<br />
- Mexico&#8217;s Tamsa maintains output with strong order book</p>
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