The Winds Of Civil War: Illinois-Driven Marxist Attempt To Conquer Union Threatened With Military Challenges

February 23rd, 2009 Posted By Pat Dollard.

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New Hampshire fired the first shot. Although 7 other states have similar pending resolutions and bills, the Oklahoma House is the first to actually pass one. Another 27 states are expected to make similar moves in the coming months. That’ll leave the country split 71-29.

Now, before you get too excited, bear in mind that all of this was likely Obama’s goal. To bait us into rebellion. Boiled down, all of these state measures are threats of secession. Recall, if you will, Obama’s obsession to be the 21st Century Abraham Lincoln, and his ominous calls to recreate and rebuild America. Who was Lincoln? Why, he was the man who “preserved” the Union by way of implementing military force against states that had seceded. Lincoln knew full well that he would not be preserving the Union, but that he would be conquering sovereign nations, nations whose cultures and ideologies he would have to destroy, and then remake, in the image of the North’s. And that is precisely what happened in the aftermath of Lincoln’s war of aggression. He didn’t preserve the Union, he changed it forever and handed unprecedented powers to the Federal Government.

The Lincoln household was most characterized by a dark spirit, an unyielding pall of gloom. He was plagued by mysterious and absolutely crippling headaches. Three of his sons were struck dead before age 20. His wife slowly went insane, the result of a ceaseless, degenerative depression. Lincoln was assassinated.

Now, let’s run with a theory.

So, what if Obama, Soros and Emanuel understand fully that our current, sudden, violent lurch into Socialism will not be tolerated by many to most of the American people, and that these people may possess sufficient physical concentration in order to secede in large territorial chunks, including those already defined by current state borders? They understand that they will be facing a crisis, right? Well, what is a crisis to the current Marxist regime of Obama other than an opportunity? Based on Emanuel’s stated philosophy, one can conclude that he and Obama seek the greatest crisis that they can possibly create. And this is it. Civil war born of broad secession is the Mother of All Crises, and therefor it is the nirvana of all crises. The current regime seeks civil war just as it seeks oxygen and food. And the actions of Abraham Lincoln provide the precise blueprint by which Obama can achieve all of his life ambitions. They provide the map with which he can navigate to the zenith of personal power, the desired destination of every narcissistic psychopath such as Obama. Yes, he is a dedicated Marxist, but only insofar as Marxism is his chosen vessel to reach his ultimate goal of Absolute Power. He will defend Marxism until the day he dies, for Marxism is the only means by which he can be king, and being king is the only reason for which he lives.

In order to possess long-term dictatorial powers, Obama must recreate America as a Marxist culture and Marxist economy protected by both a limitless intelligence agency and a paramilitary police force. Once these goals are achieved, the traditional military will be preserved to support similar revolutions overseas, and to defend against foreign threats. (Subduing you is his first goal, but not his ultimate one. His brain his already 150 chess moves past the end of the upcoming American civil war. You are but a stepping stone. In his mind, he’s already buried you.) Audacious? Yes. The epitome of change? Yes.

Now, how does Obama achieve and maintain the goals laid out in the paragraph above? Implementing Marxism by legislation in a pluralistic democracy is not sufficient to maintain the reigns of both Marxism and a Marxist leader. They can be voted and legislated away. Capitalism can then return as the controlling process of the economy. Any Marxist who would let things stand as such would be committing a fatal crime against Marxism. As such, Obama can not let America stand as a pluralistic democracy, if he is to follow his duty to his Allah, one Karl Marx of Germany. In order to achieve this, he must cover the contingency of armed resistance by adopting the assumption that military force will be required. This is a highly convenient assumption, given that in order to maintain a Marxist dictatorship, he has to establish a paramilitary police state, along with a plausible rationale for its existence. There is one swift way to achieve all three goals. Civil war.

All he has to do is create an excuse to wage literal war on those who would oppose him. This allows him to suspend democracy, crush his enemies, and establish a permanent police state, with the excuse to the American people that all of the above were done in order to preserve the Union. (The permanence of the police state will be secured by the slogan “Never Again”.) An updated version of Lincoln’s playbook, through and through.

For Obama, in order to catalyze a civil war, he must first create a crisis of secession or rebellion. He intends to do so via a mix of irresponsible, crisis-creating government, and legislative implementation of the first stages of absolute Marxism. These two will be sufficient to create a rebellion against his government. The rest will follow naturally.

The simplest remedy for this? For the employees of the Federal Government to refuse to work for him. No secession, no rebellion, no bloodshed, just a man who gave a war, but nobody came.

Just don’t count on it.

Oklahoma 10th Amendment Resolution passes in House 83 to 13″ on Constitutional Emergency

WHEREAS, many federal laws are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal government may not usurp; and

WHEREAS, Article IV, Section 4 says, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”, and the Ninth Amendment states that ”The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”; and

WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and

WHEREAS, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE OF THE 1ST SESSION OF THE 52ND OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:

THAT the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.

THAT this serve as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.

THAT all compulsory federal legislation which directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed.

THAT a copy of this resolution be distributed to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state’s legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the Oklahoma Congressional Delegation.

COMMITTEE REPORT BY: COMMITTEE ON RULES, dated 02-12-09 - DO PASS, As Coauthored.

Washington Times:

States Assert Sovereignty With 10th Amendment

Worried the federal government is increasing its dominance over their affairs, several states are pursuing legislative action to assert their sovereignty under the 10th Amendment of the Constitution in hopes of warding off demands from Washington on how to spend money or enact policy. The growing concerns even have a handful of governors questioning whether to accept federal stimulus money that comes with strings attached.

The sentiments to declare themselves legally independent from Washington have swept across as many as a dozen states, renewing a debate over so-called unfunded mandates that last raged in the 1990s. The states question whether the U.S. government can force states to take actions without paying for them or impose conditions on states if they accept certain federal funding.

“We are telling the federal government that we are a sovereign state and want to be treated as such. We are not a branch of the federal government,” said Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges, who is leading an effort in her state to pass a resolution called “Sovereignty: the 10th Amendment.” Ms. Burges was inspired to action by a pair of Bush administration initiatives: The No Child Left Behind education law of 2002 and the Real ID Act, a 2005 law that established national standards for state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards.

In other states, lawmakers say they are bracing to repeal federal mandates to spend their money that they expect will emanate from Washington once President Obama begins delivering some of the big-ticket programs promised during his presidential campaign.

Oklahoma state Sen. Randy Brogdon introduced a resolution that he said would enable his state to “reclaim its 10th Amendment right to reject any and all acts of Congress that go beyond its enumerated powers in violation of the 10th Amendment.”

Other states pursuing sovereignty resolutions are Hawaii, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire and Washington. Similar measures are likely to be introduced in more than a dozen other states, analysts said.

“The states are sending a message,” said Robert Alt, a legal scholar at the Heritage Foundation.

The nearly $800 billion stimulus bill also has raised worries.

Republican governors Mark Sanford of South Carolina, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Rick Perry of Texas expressed reservations this week about accepting their states’ shares of the stimulus package because they are worried that the federal government will impose conditions on how it can be spent.

As a self-styled staunch conservative, Mr. Sanford, the new head of the Republican Governors Association, aggressively opposed the stimulus plan. However, in a Thursday morning interview on CBS’ “The Early Show,” Mr. Sanford said his state would accept money from the stimulus bill. Opposing the plan “doesn’t preclude taking the money,” said Mr. Sanford. South Carolina’s 9.5 percent unemployment rate is the nation’s third-highest.

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147 Responses to “The Winds Of Civil War: Illinois-Driven Marxist Attempt To Conquer Union Threatened With Military Challenges”

  1. Gary

    From Oklahoma,

    It still has to pass the Senate, which it should and then our Democratic Gov. will probably veto it. But word is we have the votes to override the veto.

  2. Snowman

    Wow, well said and thought out Pat. That is exactly why we need to do what the South couldn’t, win! That will require making sure high up’s in the Military, Police forces on the local, state, and federal level are on the “right” side. I think those things are going to be some of the biggest challenges, but I’m ready! :gun: :gun:

  3. GregGS

    It will be interesting to see the first federal agency’s reaction after being told to “Go pack your bags and get out!”.
    That will be the first real test of the Oklahoma resolution,
    till then it’s just ink on paper.

  4. GregGS

    It will be interesting to see the reaction of the first federal agency to be told to “Pack up an leave!”. That will be the first test of the Oklahoma resolution, till then it’s just ink on paper.

  5. PatriotofPast(Thomas)

    Amen Pat ! I do not care what ANYBODY says, Obama is NOT my President ! I have been trying to find out about the guy for months, with NO LUCK ! Honestly… WHO IS THIS GUY ?
    His past has been hidden away under lock & key. Should we not know something about the man who is going to hold the codes to this Countries Nuclear Arsenall? I’m in South Dakota (Black Hills), we Cherrish our Guns, God,Family and Country.If they TRY to take ANY of those from us…Well, they just pissed on an Electric Fence.

  6. just a guy

    This civil war will likely be fought in the courtrooms, with these States bringing claims in federal court based upon the 9th and 10th amendments to overturn over-reaching federal laws.

  7. Kurt(the infidel)

    best case scenario as you put it Pat, a war that no one shows up for. i dont really want this country to split up. we are not north and south anymore. we are a mostly normal, good country with pockets of dipshits scattered all over. in other words secession would be pointless. civil war on the other hand is a possible scenario because the people in this country are split between 2 completely irreconcilable differences and we are about to reach the critical mass if we havent already. time will tell but ill say what i always say, get prepared and keep your head on straight.

  8. Michelle

    We do NOT know who this man is. Much money has been paid to keep that information from him and yet we are supposed to hand over ourselves and our government to him no questions asked?

    I don’t think so.

    The only thing we know about him is what he has chosen to tell us in his TWO autobiographies that were published before he actually did anything.

    I was willing to give him a chance until within days he issued so many executive orders that made your head spin and a “stimulus package” that puts our unborn grandchildren in debt. And not to create jobs, but create votes.

  9. A_Golden_BB

    One must remember that Charleston, SC was the wealthiest city in North America in 1861.
    That the Fed derived almost all of its income from import/export tariffs.
    The 3 biggest exports for the US were cotton, rice and tobacco, all southern commodities.

    In order to coalesce the forces in the North, Lincoln had to stage an incident to inflame the populace, which he did.
    The firing on Sumter was by his own admission a setup for just such action.
    Lincoln was aware that provisioning Sumter could provoke a war.

    Lincoln’s letter to Gustavus Fox on 1 May, 1861, makes it clear that he was pleased by the result of the firing on Ft Sumter…
    “You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter, even if it should fail;
    and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. ”

    when asked “Why not let the South go in peace?”
    Lincoln replied: “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?”

    ” … in saving the union, I have destroyed the Republic. Before me I have the Confederacy, which I loath. But behind me I have the bankers, which I fear” –Abraham Lincoln

  10. The plan is bigger than Obongo. It’s a plan for chaos. They want to restore their order from chaos.

  11. Jerb

    Sign me up for whatever side is against Obama. We’ll show him what happened to the last king who tried to assert himself over Americans :mrgreen: :gun:

  12. Jordan

    You comments are as insightful as they are disturbing. A large segment of the American public sit in blissful ignorance of the coming events with their hand out, waiting to be fed by the goverment. These are sheep being led to their enslavement by their unwilingness to take responsibility for themselves or their actions. The time may come when we must say “No more!” and act as our forefathers did with faith and conviction to save the America we know and love. I remind you of the words of Thomas Jefferson “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
    I pray that we can a avoid civil war that will make necessary the sheding of blood on this soil, and that the conservatives in this country of all parties and races rise up at the next election and take congress back from the socialist that inhabit those hallowed halls and turn this country back to the path this great nation has forged, and once again stand as an example to the world of what freedom can achive.
    Thanks Pat, for being one of the good guys.

  13. WSpence

    You’re giving Obama too much credit. The man doesn’t have the experience to lay out this kind of broad conspiracy. Also, any move towards such a radical agenda will erode his base of popular support from the middle, leaving him with low approval numbers and as radioactive as Bush was for most of his presidency. Once that happens, Obama’s friends will seek to distance themselves, just as the Republicans did. That will render Obama impotent and unable to press any agenda, regardless of its content.

  14. sarah

    I respect these states. They believe the Constitution still exists. obama has said in the past it’s outdated, we all know it means nothing to him. In fact he despises America and all that she stands for. Don’t think for one minutes he’s only a socialist. He is a full blooded Communist just like his mentor Frank Marshall Davis.
    The divide is too great. The far left Marxist’s with no values, the Communist and Socialist parties in the US are not going to change and the patriot rights are not going to change. We have a cultural cold war that will eventually become a civil war. I think division of the country would be a good thing. It’s a huge country compared to many others.

  15. MinneSoCold

    So that’s it. We’re all about to become part of the Saul Alinsky Experiment. I don’t think this is the American Experiment our forefathers had in mind. Exactly when do the Americans in Washington start acting American, or has the whole Dem party been taken-over by non-Americans?

  16. Mike Mose

    Brilliant

  17. Donald

    “Whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these ends (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness); it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government”- Thomas Jefferson(1743-1826) from the Declaration of Independence

    That pretty much says it all. Where do I sign up?

  18. Jory Erickson

    I really wish that Americans would realize that their political party bickering is a tactic to distract you from the fact that almost all of your elected officials are controlled by the same forces and therefore have the same exact, real, long-term goals. Look politicians on both sides are accomplishing the same thing. They talk about how different their beliefs are from one another. But look at the results…Government growth and oppression of it’s citizens. This has been occuring on both sides of the isle for decades, people. It is the fed. gov’t as a whole that has been bought and payed for by the financial global elites. Who do you think owns the multi-national and domestic companies that contribute campaign funding to our elected officials. And we all know that, he who can afford TV advertisements wins the popularity contest almost every time. People need to quit worshiping the TV in this country. Our federal gov’t is nothing more than a complex network of lobbiests, politicians and global elitists who’s end goal is a one world gov’t,economy, and central control(oppression) system.

  19. American Woman (bitter clinger to my guns and religion)

    :arrow: WSpense,

    Obongo is not in this alone. It is a movement that he is the front man for. He has been training for this moment all his life and nothing is going to stand in any of their ways.
    Election as we know it in America is OVER!
    Im sick of people saying “we will take it back in 2010″
    Do you really think this admin is going to let what happened to Clinton happen to BO?
    They have come too far to lose this.
    They will power grab and hold.
    Just like Pat said above.
    This is a marxist take over so not to have to give power back to the gop.

  20. that house in the picture looks exactly like my Dad’s house.
    :sad:

    :arrow: Pat did you get gmail from me yesterday?

    My 18 year old son blew threw here last night, home from the organic research farm he is living/working/studying on.

    He said, “There is going to be a civil war soon,” somewhat a matter of fact. Then he left to go back to build solar panels and grow food.

  21. maggiew

    That might be a wet dream of Obama. I disagree with him
    being 150 steps ahead of the rest of us. He’s not that smart.
    If he were he wouldn’t need a teleprompter.
    I do believe he thinks he can do this and it will fly.
    There are always unintended consequences though.

  22. Dan (The Infidel)

    That states would worry enough to pass legislation codifying the 10th Amendment is one step closer to all out secession and revolution.

    Obongo and his Congressional lapdogs are not going take freedom from citizens of this country without paying a price for it.

    Thomas Jefferson once said “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

    So let it be written , so let it be done.

  23. SemperFi

    Bingo! By George, I believe you finally figured it out!

  24. unkaglen

    Holy cow, I never looked at Lincoln that way. All I can say Pat is I hope you are wrong, but from the bottom of my heart I fear you are right.
    I will die a free man before I live as a slave……
    :evil: :gun: :gun: :gun:

  25. Even Rush was talking about a civil war simmering under the surface, today.

  26. :arrow: Jory
    I agree with you, any suggestions on what we should do?

  27. 31Mike

    :arrow: Kurt(the infidel)

    best case scenario as you put it Pat, a war that no one shows up for. i dont really want this country to split up. we are not north and south anymore. we are a mostly normal, good country with pockets of dipshits scattered all over. in other words secession would be pointless. civil war on the other hand is a possible scenario because the people in this country are split between 2 completely irreconcilable differences and we are about to reach the critical mass if we havent already. time will tell but ill say what i always say, get prepared and keep your head on straight.

    ———————————————————-

    You’re exactly right Kurt. It’s not about the North vs. South now, it’s about the Radical Left pushing their agenda after being the minority for so long.

    They now have a 2-4 year window of opportunity and they’re taking full advantage of it.

    Gun control bills coming out of the woodwork.
    Reperations bills gaining popularity.
    $Billions for more entitlement programs and on and on.

    We’re in for a tough fight ahead. The Libturds in Washington have the upper hand right now and they know it.

    What lies ahead for this country is anyone’s guess. Pray that cooler heads prevail and stay locked and loaded.

  28. we are war. just point us in the right direction and it will be worse than a motherfucking hurricane for those on the opposite end of the battlefield.

  29. Tim Roesch

    Thia why I have said from the beginning: We need to be calm and rational. There are forces at work that are hoping and praying for any kind of attack to use an excuse.

    Note this well:
    Of all the things being done and said, there is NOTHING be said as loudly about gun rights. We hear about nationalizing banks and more welfare and how we must sacrifice.

    You would think these, as Dan puts it, Dhimmicrats would have added some sort of antigun legislation in the stimulus package.

    That such a thing, at least as far as I have read, is NOT there is very, very suspicious.

    Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes. Either they have some plan or they are hoping to flush ‘you’ out into the open where you can be dealt with.

    So, how many soldiers, airmen and seamen are out of the country at the moment? How would they get back? Could they get back? Would they get back in time?

    Community Action translates into German as Beer Hall Putsch.

    Right on Pat.

  30. Pat,

    Great take on Lincoln, and very concise and accurate summary of the basis of CWI.

    I am not, yet, sold that the 0 and company are acting from anything more than star-eyed Liberation Socialism and arrogant (as you have noted potentially driven by mental disorder) incompetence. But better to be forewarned and forearmed, in case the 0 actually equals more than zero.

  31. Bill Smith

    :arrow: unkaglen

    “Holy cow, I never looked at Lincoln that way.”

    Me either. It doesn’t matter how WE look at Lincoln, it’s how Obama looks at him, and how he and the media will portray him to give themselves and their actions legitimacy.

  32. ukatheist

    i will look forward with great joy to visit that great country Texas next year.

  33. Kermit

    http://www.businessreport.com/archives/daily-report/2009/feb/20/833/

    Jindal decides state won’t accept part of stimulus

    Gov. Bobby Jindal announced today there’s a portion of the stimulus money the state won’t use: the dollars that are tied to implementing an unemployment insurance tax increase for Louisiana businesses. However, Jindal says the state will use a provision in the legislation to up unemployment benefits by an extra $25 per week. He also reaffirmed his acceptance of funding for shovel-ready transportation projects. “The federal money in this bill will run out in less than three years for this benefit and our businesses would then be stuck paying the bill,” Jindal says. “We must be careful and thoughtful as we examine all the strings attached to the funding in this package.” Legislators are exploring whether they can override Jindal’s decisions regarding stimulus money. Meanwhile, a Jindal administration plan to spend the first dollars from Louisiana’s share of the federal stimulus plan has already stalled in the state Legislature. A joint House and Senate budget panel refused Friday to approve a plan for spending $308 million in highway and bridge money. Legislators complained they had too little time to review the list and no say in choosing the projects. They also said they wanted more details from Gov. Bobby Jindal’s office about his overall plans for stimulus money after Jindal’s previous comments that he’s not sure he wants the state to spend all its share.

  34. You’re getting sooooo close to the truth. Now all you have left to do is make a few more connections - the birth certificate / The rest of the Boys from Brazil Kenya / Nancy Peolosi meeting the Pope in Italy.

    Here’s the bonus secret question. Who was it that whistled for their well-heeled pet, resulting in Nancy Pelosi practically tripping all over herself in her haste to hop on her plane and jet off to Italy to answer the call? Not Geithner and Bernake and the G7 crowd - she didn’t stop in. Not the Pope, since he was way down on her list or priorities- about the fifth or sixth stop on her little whirlwind tour. The first meeting was with some nice folks from the a recently modernized and upgraded outfit called Propaganda Due. No intel available at any price on the next couple. There actually are some things money can’t buy…

    Who is the puppet master pulling all these strings? Wheeet. Here Nancy. Nice doggie. Come here. Sit. Bark. Good girl….

  35. 31Mike

    Ohhh…. one other thing. Look at the bills the libturds are pushing wrapped in the blanket of the UN.

  36. Mike Mose

    The ultimate goal of every Marxist is to use a military to defeat America’s citizens. Even better would be using the United States military to defeat America’s citizens.

    Obama will not be denied, he was born for this moment. He thinks he is god.
    All of Americans citizens will hang his ass and the medias, just like Hitler should have been. NaN and dingy too

    We have a new member coming on…..Dave, an old military hero……….. Welcome

    >Roland…….Clearly Obama is damaged goods, case in point….you do not raise spending in an economic crisis.
    Cut spend, cut spending, cut spending………all know that.
    IMHO, Obama and the Dems are trying there best to bankrupt the entire world. Look what they’re trying to do to the people that moved money off shore. Think about it, That money is none of there business. Period.

  37. Vanessa

    I have thaought that for a while. If i was the rest of the world I would not buy anything America is selling right now, because it seems to be a trap.

  38. German Dragon

    An otherwise perfect analysis, marred by niggling details. Lord willing, Bambi will be defeated the same way that Frankenstein, the NSA, et al., are defeated: Something they didn’t expect. Something they didn’t plan for. Something that never entered into their careful calculus.

    Compared to the spirit realm, the NSA, in all of its electronic glory, is nothing more than children at play. So it is with Bambi. He’s about to by played with.

  39. Take a look at this - It would have to have been planned before Obongo took office, though.

    National Guard practicing collecting guns and going door to door looking for a gun dealer to take place in Iowa on April 4.

    http://www.carrollspaper.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=7451&TM=55111.9

  40. littlefox (trying not to panic), how about some more info from your son and his comment on a “civil war is coming.”

    First of all, between whom does he think it’s going to be?

    thanks in advance.

  41. Pat "The Christian"

    If we have a Civil War II what will it look like? I don’t know a Lib out there that owns a gun or knows how to shoot or is willing to die for anything or willing to kill for anything. Look how they clung to our pant legs on Sept. 12, 2001. Any guesses?

  42. sword2bear

    the real muscle behind obama is The Bilderberg Group. NWO trying to fast track their plans of taking over the world. All the politicians and money are scrambling for a place at the table, because there are only so many. My heart is heavy because of all the evil being perpetrated against the good people of America. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. :gun:

  43. Kirk

    :arrow: German Dragon
    As an example of the unexpected:

    2 Kings 19:35 (King James Version)

  44. JI

    Pat my thoughts exactly.
    It looks like it will be libs vs Conservatives.
    Who is on the libs side.
    Government employees, unions, Muslims, blacks, half the hispanics(trust me I know) about 20% of military and liberals.
    And 60% of women, studies bear this out.
    Now the Navy is very liberal. I would say the rest of the branches are conservative.
    Now who is unionized: Police, teachers, etc.
    Who has guns: Police, FDA, DEA, Forest Service, FBI(remember WACO) others.

  45. JI

    I forgot about the gangs and crooks=liberal.

  46. checkers

    Obama does not have to be smart enough to be 150 steps ahead of us. He just has to be able to be controlled by some other entity capable of thinking that far ahead, one could say perhaps, by Lucifer himself?

  47. dacoelec

    checkers
    Bingo!

  48. Jarhead68

    OH, hell, another Bilderberg conspiracy theorist? WTF? So every politician, left or right, is controlled by the Bilderberg Group. Holy shit! :shock: What nonsense.

  49. Mark Tanberg

    :arrow: JORY & LITTLE FOX
    I think you hit the nail on the head (no one else seems to get it though) We don’t don’t want to divide this nation, just return to the freedom that the constitution provides.
    If no one shows up for the war it can’t happen. If no one pays into the Govt. it can’t live. If the Govt. just prints more money to survive it will bring us all down so somehow the current system has to be stopped and a new Govt. by the people and for the people be instated but how.
    Constitutional Convention? I’m just thinking out loud here but
    without blueprints you can’t build a house.
    Obama’s plans must be thwarted at every turn until 2010 when republicans must gain congressional stopping power and a road to a Constitutional Convention that undoes the last 60 years of nation trashing legislation. :neutral:

  50. aboutTObegin

    the usurper is accomplishing his goals….he has the vision of becoming the next lincoln… and he doesn’t care what happens as long as he meets his goal! :mad: :mad: :mad:

  51. azbastard

    we have 2 fronts..freedom and liberty, and blasphemy..God will pour his spirit of truth upon the saints from all over the world and they will be feared

  52. MG

    Sanders- The Iowa round up is pretty fucking scary. I have a farm close by in Mn. I guess its time to start running razor wire around my farm. I am hating people, actually hating fucking people. What the hell is going on here? It is almost over for us. Unless we can stop this tidal wave of, it’s o.k. the niggah makes me feel good. I would rather die fighting for my beliefs than live someone elses.

  53. Ty

    This thread has shown me the true patriotism and spirit of conservatives. Think about it…

    After Bush was elected and the far left started throwing fits, what was their response? “I’m leaving the Country.”

    After Obamunism wins, conservatives respond with, “Let’s just take this Country back.”

  54. Ron G

    Pat, This is Ron, Dean’s brother in Florida. I have a question - Prior to the election Joe Plugs Biden made a comment that obama would be tested in the first 6 months and that people may not like his response but they , obama/biden, were going to need the people’s support and I think urged folks to stick with them. Do you suppose the statement by plugs has allot to do with what you’ve written above?

  55. Steve R

    JL - Up north the police may be unionized, but down south there are very few unionized depts. Other than in the large city PD’s, most cops I know, including myself, are very pro 2nd amendment and very pro constitution. The Feds with their Ivy league ideals…not so much. Don’t automatically count all cops as the enemy. For the most part we represent the same ideas and beliefs as the people we work for.

  56. :arrow: That states would worry enough to pass legislation codifying the 10th Amendment is one step closer to all out secession and revolution.

    Amazing, simply freaking amazing.
    Why is this not big news around the nation?
    Of course we know why, but you would think that at least Fox News would be making a big deal about it.

  57. The Soviets told us after WWII that America would be taken from the inside! I have been a POW in Germany WWII, Korea in
    1952-53,Vietnam 1968-69, Last two to fight Communism. These
    statements are true and we have seen the last nail in the USA coffin. I maybe 85 years of age, but I am ready to defend this beautiful country again with Revolution or WWIII. I hope Oklahoma passes the 10th and kicks out the Feds,

  58. The People’s Republic of Socialist Kalifonia have pass the largest Taxes in California History. If we can’t recall most or all of the state politicians who voted for this crap then I am all for the secede away from California as another new State. When the Politicians fail to represent the common folk then we need to fire or secede from them!

  59. American Woman (bitter clinger to my guns and religion)

    Pat is spot on!!
    I am glad to see this layed out.Its time to connect the dots for the bigger picture.
    You know Obongo is steps ahead, look at his and his admin’s arrogance. They are molding this country in their sick twisted image. They want to stir the pot to civil unrest as a reason to take peoples fire arms.
    Look at what the congressman of SC said yesterday, he said the republican Gov. who were not taking the money were racist and their actions were to punish the blacks!!
    Everyday there is some kind of racist attack coming from the left.
    Provoking a race war would be great for them because they can say that this action proves the right are racist and therefore criminalize us. Giving “just cause” to take our guns and imprision us. This situation would be easier to sell by the media.
    Look at the way the left have justifyed the behavior of ALL the race baiters by saying “that is not what he really meant”
    BUT during the election they accused Palin of rallying the racist by wearing a white shirt!!! They made up crap about her but make excuses for the real racist.
    if we do end up in a civil war over politics it will be spun into a racial war from the MSM.

    NOW I would like to see Rush and Hannity shine some light on liberalism like Pat has here. They need to educate the people what has happened to the American democRAT party in the last 50 years and their agenda.
    Define the Frankfurt school and political correctness.
    Reagan used to talk about liberalism but that dialoge is gone.
    The liberals have shaped a misleading image of the GOP by shouting lies at the top of their lungs, we have to fight back not just defend ourselves.
    We have truth on our side, it just needs a little light.
    Hannity needs to show the films that Pat has posted here.
    sorry for being so long winded…

  60. Mike Mose

    “On 1/27/2009 Obama signed an exective order to bring 200-250 thousand people in from the GAZA strip all paid for by us.”

    Is this what you are talking about or something else?:

    Presidential memorandum No. 2009-15 issued on 2 February 2009.

    THE WHITE HOUSE

    Office of the Press Secretary

    MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE

    SUBJECT: Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related to Gaza

    By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the “Act”), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.

    You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

    BARACK OBAMA

  61. Marc

    First of all, continuing to oppose the blatant arrogance of the useless social, economic, & political policies of the Obamessiah needs to be a main tool. The only reason there was any real coverage of the Porkulus was because of grassroots pressure.

    We are head an shoulders better than liberals, we are not going to abandon the country we love & cherish. We have a lot of tools at our hands before battling in the streets. Forewarned is forearmed, we know what we are up against.

    Right now we are stuck with the RNC, but if they want our money we have to demand & also field fiscal conservatives that TRULY believe in the Constitution, Liberty, and limited government.

    The people here overwhelmingly have the right idea about what is happening to our country, can & are doing something instead of having a temper tantrum. The Government needs to be put in its place & reminded that the they work for US, not US for them.

    It can be fixed before it heads off the rails

  62. Mart

    :arrow: Amazing, simply freaking amazing.
    Why is this not big news around the nation?
    Of course we know why, but you would think that at least Fox News would be making a big deal about it.

    You feel it’s amazing that Fox News mentions nothing about this??

    Fox News is also corporate media, I’ve heard Glenn Beck talk about it once, but only once. Fox is owned by Murdock and you have to remember he supported Hillary Clinton. That in itself should tell you something about Fox News and their brand of spin, they play the Conservative role in this whole media farce. You’re lied to and manipulated by ALL mainstream media.

    Fair and balanced??? Only when you compare it to the likes of CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, etc, etc.

  63. 31Mike

    :arrow: Paul Phillips
    The Soviets told us after WWII that America would be taken from the inside! I have been a POW in Germany WWII, Korea in
    1952-53,Vietnam 1968-69, Last two to fight Communism. These
    statements are true and we have seen the last nail in the USA coffin. I maybe 85 years of age, but I am ready to defend this beautiful country again with Revolution or WWIII. I hope Oklahoma passes the 10th and kicks out the Feds.
    ————————————————————

    Mr. Phillips….You don’t know how much it means to hear your words.

    Thank you for your lifelong service to our country.

    Salute!!

    ———————————————

  64. T Double Dash

    Oh, geez, you made me crap my pants. Last time I did that was when my boyfriend Vladamir Putty Pants warned us not to fall into socialism.

  65. The Civil War will be between the “haves” and the “have-nots”

    The USG is a “have-not” with power to recruit and steal from the “haves”

    I see only 1 ingredient needed to tip us into chaos,
    either a terrorist attack (VERY real threat…I don’t need to remind people here…or a natural disaster)

    This is my theory…my sons was a bit more shocking and I do not want to post it publicly…email me if you would like to know. He is young but very smart. He loves history (especially War history), science and he knows Jesus and his Bible. He has been blessed to live and travel around the world. He remembers everything. Anyway he is not your avg. 18 year old American male…I take his opinion seriously.

  66. Tom in CO

    Hey, we get guns, they’re stuck without any!

  67. :arrow: Steve R
    “most cops I know, including myself, are very pro 2nd amendment and very pro constitution”

    Our local “Patriot Firearms” is run by active and former peace officers. Nicest bunch of guys I’ve ever met.

  68. XD-40

    :twisted: An excellent analysis. However, none of this means that Obot and the Marxists will win. No victory is guaranteed… Patriots should keep reloading, keep reloading, keep stocking up, train, train, train.

  69. here is another good chart…

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123440436240475615.html

    We are in a financial abyss unknown in human history.

    People are going to be hungry.

  70. :arrow: Mart
    :arrow: You feel it’s amazing that Fox News mentions nothing about this??

    Yes I do. If Beck said something about it, others at Fox should have too! But I guess we should not count on Fox at all.
    But that is why we are all at this site; to gain insight that we would not otherwise have. Right? :neutral:

  71. Earlg

    We do all realize - I hope - that there is nothing…absolutely nothing…our enemies(of whom the list is to long to recount) would like better than seeing American’s-on-American’s. Think of all vodka, rice wine, baklava and sweets the bastards would be passing around. To say nothing of empanadas.

    Shit, I’m close ta 60 and wanna sit-back and watch Obummer and his new bestest pals sweat - eating my popcorn and drinking beer - not the other fucking way around(bean there, done that, too fucking many times).

    Time to put on the thinking caps - and not the standard issue aluminum.

    This really shouldn’t be all that difficult or hard. :beer: :beer: :gun: :gun:

    Like the man said, ‘I read your book, you bastard!’ or words to that effect.

  72. Mike Mose

    Hunt leaders of both parties, every conceivable leader possible, bilgelberg or not, every member of the media, teachers union members and every liberal, and communist,or socialist. Hunt then like the dogs they are.
    Have a nice day.God grant your children a quick victory and show mercy to our enemy.

  73. My husband is much more optimistic. He thinks kind of like this woman:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123440436240475615.html

    AND… VERY BIG AND…WE have guns :gun: :mrgreen:

  74. Dan (The Infidel)

    The Patriot Post published an article this week that pretty much says it all. And the Patriot Post is usually a really stabling influence in conservative politics. So when you read this quote, you’ll understand that the idea of another revolution has gone mainstream.

    “Make no mistake: The “Recovery Act” is not about economic recovery. It’s about shackling our future to a socialist agenda, which will play out in the next decade short of significant intervention — a cyclical economic recovery, the advent of another great leader with the stature of Reagan, or another unpleasantry like that one begun in 1776, the discussion of which has now entered mainstream conversations, albeit at a whisper.”

  75. Mart

    :arrow: Marc Stockwell-Moniz
    But that is why we are all at this site; to gain insight that we would not otherwise have. Right? :neutral:

    You are exactly correct sir…. that is why we are all here! :smile:

  76. Steve R

    EarlG - Sir…I understand exactly where you are coming from. The idea of Americans fighting Americans is abhorrent to me. However, we MUST realize that we are now in a war over the soul of this country between two ideals that will never be able to live side by side together. The conservatives and liberals are too far apart in their thinking, too far apart on the fundamentals of what constitutes the basis of how a society should, and must function. Unless one side capitulates completely…I fear there will be war.

    I will not capitulate, I will not give in, I will not give up my guns, I will not give up my freedom to say what I damn well feel when I damn well want. I will continue to stand for the same freedoms and ideals that our forefathers stood for when they proclaimed our independence from Britain. I will not be a slave. I am a dangerous man….cross me at your peril.

  77. :lol: so…I am showing FULL THROTTLE(my 10 year old son) the FED FAIL chart above and he says,
    “If I owed that much money on ZOO TYCOON I would have to sell EVERYTHING in my park!!!!!!!! :shock:

    Maybe the FED should take a lesson from ZOO TYCOON!

  78. James E. McMullen, III

    You ask the question, are we getting our moneys worth. My answer is hell no. :gun:

    What’s needed now is pitch forks and torches with a little tar and feathers thrown in for good measure.

    It is time for the various states to remind Mr. Obama that it is they who created the federal government. It is they who are responsible for the powers the federal government enjoys, not the other way around.

  79. I hate to rain on the parade, but I’ll take a leap off the conspiracy cliff for just a second and run with it from another direction.

    Israel is selecting a very conservative government under Benjamin Netanyahu because they do not think America will be standing with them any longer and will have to go it alone. The Bible does not mention the U.S.A. in ANY major end time prophecy. If Barry’s goals ARE as stated above, and he pulls it off, then we could be seeing the stage be set for another round of end of days prophecy to come true.

    The stage is set with Russia and Iran being in bed with one another and Israel taking harder lines against them.

    God bless and keep us, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride regardless.

  80. aboutTObegin

    ALLEN TX - glad to have you and your fellow patriots aboard! It is refreshing to see that Peace Officers understand what is going on in our Country and want to protect America… actions speak louder than words.

    aTb
    Live Free or Die
    Don’t Tread on Me!
    Constitution Soldier

  81. unkaglen

    :arrow: Littlefox(trying not to panic)
    RE: my son was a bit more shocking………………
    False flag operation to get the whole mess started????? Something along the line of the gulf of Tomkin incident????
    I forget which ex pres once said nothing in government happens by accident……….
    We are being set up for whatever it is that is fixn’ to come down the pipe…….be ready :mad: :mad: :gun:

  82. PatriotofPast(Thomas)

    You can see how they work by looking at the IL legistation, a Senator put forth a bill that in order to own a gun you must carry a One Million dollar insurance policy. The Left will go to ANY ends to get our Firearms. Which reminds me, going shopping tomorrow for a couple more guns… A handgun 9mm or 45? And a shotgun 870? or 1100? Any input?

  83. Hawkerdriver(Piss on the Koran)

    I see a lot of remarks worrying about “Americans on Americans” in an upcomming civil war.IMHO anyone on the Left is not an American.

    Fuck lincoln,fuck obama. One’s dead,and the other one worships it.100 million armed and angry citizens is what the gov.fears and should, always.

    Sleep tight traitors,we’re comming :wink: :gun: :gun:

  84. Mike Mose

    The takeover of all citizen’s freedoms is at full speed. Washington wants ALL broken financially and starving for food. They are doing everything to raise energy bills and taxes. Citizens will not get to keep there own money, or property, or bank accounts, or retirement funds, they will lose the right to raise their own children. Older folks will not receive medical care. ALL HELL WILL BRAKE LOSE.

  85. USMC_Dad

    When Bob Hope questioned what a Zombie was? Answered with “Walking around blindly with dead eyes following orders and not knowing what they do”…..Bob states “You mean like democrats” :mrgreen:

    However, I believe it’s the sheeple that are the Zombies. :sad:

    Great stuff Pat…Keep it up.

    Semper Fi, do or die, Oorah

  86. :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:

    Here is a source of $$$$ to build Patriot Bunkers.

    SBA’s Patriot Express Loans Available to Vets and Military Community Entrepreneurs
    by Source staff

    http://www.onepaper.com/stcroixvi/?v=d&i=&s=Business:St.+Croix&p=1223615020

    We build it under the name Ft. Freedom PTSD Military Retreat…or whatever name.

    The way I see it… they are giving YOUR and my money away, We my as well try and get it back to help our Hero’s coming home!

    Any Grant Writers around?

    Where’s Hardball????

  87. German Dragon

    :arrow: Kirk

    I would be willing to settle for chaos theory, but having the Lord’s messenger kill 185,000 of the enemy while they slept works for me as well!

    2 Kings 19:7 — “I will take control of his mind.” As a student of religious demonology, I can vouch for that verse. I have numerous photographic examples of telepathy in action. Most people who are unacquainted with it have no perception when it is used to suggest a thought to them.

    The Democrats will overreach, and when they do they will lose power for all time — assuming the GOP doesn’t repeat its mistakes.

  88. Dan (The Infidel)

    Just for GP’s here’s a breakdown of the Porkulous Bill.
    – $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts

    - $380 million for the Women, Infants & Children welfare program

    - $300 million in grants to combat violence against women

    - $1.2 billion to provide “youth” with summer jobs

    - $4.5 billion for “neighborhood stabilization” activities (ACORN)

    - $650 million for digital TV coupons

    - $150 million for the Smithsonian

    - $34 million to renovate the Dept. of Commerce headquarters

    - $500 million for improvements to the National Institute of Health facility

    - $44 million for repairs to the Dept. of Agriculture’s headquarters

    - $350 million for agriculture department computers

    - $88 million to move (that’s right, move) the Public Health Service into a new building.

    - $1 billion for the Census Bureau

    - $89 billion for Medicaid

    - $30 billion for COBRA extensions

    - $36 billion for expanded unemployment

    - $20 billion for food stamps

    - $850 million for Amtrak

    - $87 million for a “polar ice breaking ship” (I thought global warming was taking care of this.)

    - $1.7 million for the National Park Service

    - $55 million for the Historic Preservation Fund

    - $7.6 million for the Rural Advancement Program

    - $150 million for “agricultural commodity purchases”

    - $150 million for producers of livestock, farm-raised fish and honey bees

    - $160 million for paid volunteers (what is a “paid volunteer”?) at the Corporation for National and Community Service

  89. American Woman (bitter clinger to my guns and religion)

    - $160 million for paid volunteers (what is a “paid volunteer”?) at the Corporation for National and Community Service

    Obongos brown shirts. I also saw a commercial last night with hussein talking about community service. weird

    - $1 billion for the Census Bureau

    In the hands of Rahm this is a bad thing!!!

  90. Kirk

    :arrow: Dan (The Infidel)
    $4.5 billion for “neighborhood stabilization” activities (ACORN) I wonder how many, “Brown Shirts”, you can buy with this?

    :arrow: German Dragon
    “The Democrats will overreach” Yes, I agree with you, as they are drunk with power. Already, Obama has said, “I”, instead of, “We”, a slight, but significant change in the way he has referred to the actions taken by his administration. 2 Kings 19:7 another good example of the unexpected, and it reminds me of the song by Jim Croce, “Bad, Bad Leroy Brown”, “You don’t pull on Superman’s cape”!

  91. Kirk

    :arrow: German Dragon
    Song correction, (due to fuzzy memory):
    “You Don’t Mess Around With Jim”

  92. German Dragon

    :arrow: Kirk

    Good citation there about “pulling on Superman’s cape,” given Whose Scriptures we are quoting from! :smile:

  93. Kermit

    :arrow: Paul Phillips
    Yep that is what the Russians told my dad directly when he was on the Kamchatka Peninsula decommissioning a U.S. weather base right after Japan signed the surrender agreement.

  94. Kermit

    :!: :!: :!:
    I’m not seeing anything except Jack Wheeler’s site about Obambi not responding the the Mexican crisis on the Texas border?

    Anyone know more about this one? It appears that Texas has put its national guard on alert and already told DC who took its sweet time to go screw itself, Texas would take care of the Mexicans.

  95. BA

    Live free or die!

  96. radgy

    Holey shit,batman…@ Paul Phillops…you been a POW 3 times,in 3 differant wars?

  97. Very Afraid

    To understand Obama, One must understand what controls him.

    Grandiose Malignant Narcissism

    Beware Obama

    Be Afraid

    Be VERY Afraid

  98. Charlotte Lequieq

    It is about time many people are starting to get the message that is really important.
    :arrow: German Dragon I you are very wise and knolegable because you can see past the smoke screen.
    We must all know that God and satin have been at war from the creation of man. This world is satins world because Adam chose knowlege instead of the spirt of God. From that time on mankink has had a choice for the light of God and everlasting life or satin and the pit of fire. I don’t know about anyone else but my choice is God and Life thru Jesus by his blood shed on the cross for all those that repent of their sins may have everlasting life.

  99. Kermit

    Did some more checking and find nothing from the State Senator who was said to have made the remark or from the local Fox Affiliate (Fox 26 Houston)
    This could be an untrue rumor.

    I understand that it is now on a number of conservative and/or libertarian type blogs. Until there is something more concrete I would not get as worked up as I was initially on the report that Obambi Admin not getting back to Tex in its requests.

  100. dagger

    i dont think obama is quite that smart, I think he just realized where he was last week

  101. dagger

    pat…..
    you think the states making these moves against the federal gov’t is a bad thing, just playing into the annointed one’s hand?

  102. aboutTObegin

    this just in….

    http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89428

    it is coming around to the initial problem with this usurper…. :mad: :mad: :mad:

  103. sully

    “- $4.5 billion for “neighborhood stabilization” activities (ACORN)”

    ACORN has a new home:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Executive-Order-Establishment-of-the-White-House-Office-of-Urban-Affairs/

  104. dico

    Pat, I see your point about Obama.. but your Lincoln take….well they are completely different ppl..

    Lincoln was out of politics.. until the South decided to expand slavery.. he got back into politics because he was so anti-slavery. That was was a just war.. similar to Iraqi in many ways.. And every newspaper in the country hated on him.. like they did to Bush…. If the union had broke.. who knows who would have own the USA today…..Lee surrendered to his kindness as well as his military might.

    Obama is using his image.. the Dims hate Lincoln.. I have studied Lincoln for a long time..he was hated by the Dims until obama decided to ‘use’ him… so I agree Obama is up to no good..but he is no Lincoln….not even close

  105. Bob P

    I agree with the take on Lincoln. My family goes back five generations in the south. Many southerners will say the civil war was about states rights, including me. Many slave owners took good care of their workers because they were expensive and without them couldn’t produce large crops.
    If you work with tools for a living you know to take care of them.

  106. Walt

    Most people are not aware of what is really going on because of the MSM and their lies. Perhaps we should concentrate on Editors In Chiefs. If they were publicly humiliated to the point where even their families would be ashamed to show their face in public, or they resign, then perhaps the papers would start printing the truth. Same goes for the Host of the various news shows on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC. They all lie because they know people will whine and cry on computers but will not have to guts to challenge them directly.

    I’m sorry but I have to laugh at those who badmouth Foxnews. Seems they hear only what they want to hear. I’ve heard a lot of things on Foxnews that I haven’t seen or heard anywhere else. Oh yes, I heard about NH and their 10th Amendment proposal on Fox and then went and looked it up for myself.

    I do not consider myself Dem or Repub, Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative. I consider myself as a Constitutionalist. Period.

  107. Earlg

    Great…absolutely fucking wonderful, Obummer is putting Biden in charge of the stimulus.

    We’d be better off with no government at all at this point, just shut-down DC entirely. Fuck-it.

  108. Davis

    I just can’t help but think that the Pentagon will step in and remove this AH from office before it comes to this.

  109. And yet it can only be that the States pushing back against the Federal government is the only way to prevent total chaos.

  110. groundwizard

    yeah, i went to Wal-Mart last night to get some ammo for my weekly target practice, when i saw the shelves were almost bone dry( i knew why!!) i asked the clerk what was going on and not to my surprise he said ” it’s most likely the Obama Factor” i laughed my ass off!

  111. jake

    :arrow: Dico
    The civil war wasn’t about slavery. It was about individual states having individual rights. The federal gov’t aka the north started telling the south what to do and how to do it, and as we know, it didn’t go over to well. Joining the Union was a choice by most states with the option of seceding if the powers of the fed. gov’t got too big. Thats what happened.

  112. Tom in CO

    You want an actual conspiracy, look at everything obama.

  113. Terry Phillips

    :arrow: Radgy

    No, he was a POW in WWII in Germany, He was in Korea and Viet Nam.

  114. Kermit

    :arrow: BobP
    While inherently slavery was not a good thing, outside of the assets of land, it was by far the largest asset (collectively) in the U.S. Also, the Industrial Canal, in New Orleans, was originally dug by Irish, because slaves were to valuable to lose and loss of life was expected during excavation work like this during that day and time.

    Many slave owners such as Robert E. Lee had it already in their last will and testament that their slaves be given their freedom upon the owner’s death. They even operated schools for them to have an education. My guess is that they ended up being far more literate than most inner city schools in today’s world.

    Perhaps there would have been a better way to a completely free society, by legislating that slaves be turned into indentured servants and allowed to earn their freedom as many who come from England did to get over here.

    Additionally, especially in Louisiana, many, though a small percentage, of the slave owners were either black or Creole (mixed white and black bloodlines) especially in the central part of the state and in New Orleans.

    It is quite apparent that there are many in today’s world who would like a return to the plantations, by wanting welfare and to live in the projects. Some are white, some are black, some are brown, some are red, and some are yellow.

  115. Bob P

    :arrow: Kermit
    Right on. I enjoy your commentary. That’s an interesting observation at the end of your post. :beer:

  116. radgy

    :arrow: Terry Phillips

    o…o.k i see

  117. PatriotofPast(Thomas)

    Groundwizard… Check this out… :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jfvKCwf8s

  118. :arrow: Kermit
    I never saw the movie Roots with LaVar (sp) Burton, but I think that it has aided in the perception of reality that has given us the current state of affairs. Lincolon [sic] is lionized as some Moses figure, leading the slaves out of Egypt, but it was nothing of the sort. He turned the south on its ear for the next 100 years. If anything I feel like the Federal Government is the Pharaoh and everyone that actually produces are the slaves. The strong federal government that Lincolon [sic] created are the pyramids that we are continuing to build, all for the ego of the Pharaohs, so that in their afterlife (history) they will be regarded as greater than the rest of us, instead of the wretched sacks of egotism and narcissism they are.

    “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal . . . ”

    If we are indeed a meritocracy, the entire idea of a federal authority with more governing power than your local city council is laughable. Accountability goes out the window.

  119. Dean

    Sorry guys, I just can’t see us having a revolution. We’ve been so conditioned by the federal and state governments - we’ve been so cowed by bureaucracy and administrative rules that we’re fearful of doing anything. Look at what the Justice Department has done to groups with similar desires to be just left alone. We’ll allow gangs to roam free to murder and sell drugs, but raise your voice against the government and the next thing you know you have the FBI and the ATF all over you.
    We missed our chance when we elected so many Democrats. If there are more of us than them whey didn’t we all vote?
    No state is going to secede from the union - never happen. The military isn’t going to step in and fix the mess - they know better.
    Talk of revolution is exciting, and I agree we need to do something, but and armed struggle isn’t going to happen. As for the states passing 10th amendment resolutions, I believe that has more to do with states attempting to tell the federal government not to tell them how to spend the stimulus money going to the states than with anything else. Make no mistake, they want that money desparately.
    What we need is reform that must start at our local level. We need to first elect officials who will cut local spending and lower local taxes. We need to get rid of the takers: government employees; government employee unions; teachers’ unions; welfare recipients; unwed mothers; trial lawyers; and state run healthcare. From there we need to do the same at the state level. We have to vote out big spenders and vote in fiscal conservatives and social conservatives. Once there, we must do the same for our national representatives. How many of you live in a state that has a majority democratic representation in the House and Senate? Shame on you then.
    This slide to socialism has been a long time coming and it will take time to fix. But, fix it we can - and not with empty talk of revolution. I’d like nothing better than to see Obama, Pelosi, and Reid run out of DC on rails, tarred and feathered, but it just ain’t going to happen. You need to start at the local level. Cut city and county government spending. Stop social welfare spending at state levels supporting people who won’t work. Stop paying taxpayers dollars for unwed mothers to have more children. Get the state out of health care. Get the state out of the lives of our families and out of the education of our children. Make sure we keep our gun rights - to include making sure the government can’t chip away at the edges with gun owner insurance and serialized ammunition. All this can be done with a vote. The more democrats we have in office the more the takers demand - the more they get.

    I’d rather see people not pay their taxes by changing their W4 forms to reflect at least 15 dependents for withholding. If all us taxpayers did that, the government would run out of operating capital in short order. It would take them a while to inact some law to punish us for that, but by then….

  120. JI

    Sorry Dean but the government doesnt need our taxes to spend money. Thats what the stimulus bill is, deficit spending.
    Its money made out of thin air, like using a credit card.
    AND it will all have to be paid back.
    I disagree on the civil war, if enough people are pushed beyond their limits, something will happen.

  121. jimmy the bullet

    i’m not one easily given to conspiracy theories or alarmism but i do have extremely clean gut instincts.for weeks now,my stomach feels like it’s been run through with a fucking bayonet.
    i,and a small cadre of patriots,are very well armed with small shit(AK’S,rem.700’s,shotguns,assorted handguns and LOTS of ammo).but,what the fuck good is that against full rock and roll 50cal’s,mini’s,m4’s,armor and fucking choppers?
    fuck it.i guess it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees.when the time comes,we’ll give “THE BLEEDING HEARTS”(bho’s brown shirts) of south fla all we got.
    our best hope is divine intervention.pray and pray some more.

  122. Paslode

    :arrow: jimmy the bullet

    Hopefully your never put in that situation, but if you are…

    The Rem 700 in the right hands is a One Shot, One Kill equalizer. Top a .308 Win case with a 175gr SMK and 43-44gr of Varget and you have M118LR which shoots extremely well out to 1000m if you know how to dope the scope.

    If I am not mistaken semi-auto is more accurate than full auto.

    DISCLOSURE: WARNING! Things that things that go bang are illegal, are probably a felony offense and could lead to a not so friendly visit from BATFE and the FBI…… These devices can cause harm. I DO NOT and WOULD NOT promote the use of or advocate anyone making these things that go bang.

    The biggest advantage Military and LEO have on you or any civilian clod is organization and Teamwork. But there are materials available to you that can help give a better idea on how to prepare.

    With that said, there are quite a few Military/Special Forces manuals out there for public access either online or your local Mil-Surplus :mrgreen: There is some interesting reading material on Guerilla Warfare, varios OPS, Medical and things that go bang.

    Keep in mind that You and yours may have one major tactical advantage over outsiders, knowledge of your surroundings and environment.

    Most people are pretty much unaware of what goes on around them…Read up of (SA) Situational Awareness and practice it through your daily routine.

    Keep in mind that there are a bunch of Goat Herders that don’t have the latest weapons technology that are still alive and kicking.

    Lastly, your potential is only limited by your imagination :wink:

  123. Child of Liberty

    “What’s needed now is pitch forks and torches with a little tar and feathers thrown in for good measure.”

    I say “get a rope”. What we have experienced in our country is high treason, by ALL three branches of the fed gov.

    A question to law enforcement officers. When the fed orders you to accompany the fed troops to kick in your neighbors doors and take their guns because your neighbor is on some federal “dissenters” watch-list, what will you do? Will you shoot the gov agent or your neighbor.

    Our leader has drawn the line in the sand…sold us out…we are their enemy…

    Dissention IS patriotic, remember the Boston tea party!

    Long live the republic!

    remember also in the end “Lucifer” loses!

  124. jimmy the bullet

    :arrow: paslode

    thanks for the tips bro.i was a flight line “yellow shirt” squid in the 70’s so i didn’t get much combat training or experience(got alot of time with the ladies though :smile: ).

    anyway,we have a gun show down here about every two weeks and i am blessed with much imagination.i will take your advice and use it.god willing,it will not be necessary.

  125. echofivekilo

    :arrow: Child of liberty

    Look at the posting i put up there, Tea parties are starting

  126. echofivekilo

    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=67775481561

    heres the sign up if you dont have FB which i dont go to http://thedanashow.wordpress.com/ for more information

    Long live the Republic

  127. Paslode

    :arrow: jimmy the bullet

    Jimmy, my only experience in such matters is pretty much causing serious trouble as a kid and getting away with it :wink:

    Read up on stuff that can keep you alive SA, Escape and Evasion, Survival (Not the crazy type), practice things while hunting and camping. ‘Listen’ to folks around you and you will find somemore friends out there…..then decide which one too trust through thick and thin.

    Barricading, Alamo, Rambo are not in your best interest.

    And if you listen around these halls you can get an idea of bonds and teamwork through folks like CPL-Viper, SGT-Welsh and others.

  128. Blade Runner

    http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?tag=tenth-amendment
    http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/

    Washington state HJM 4009 quotes three of the Founding Fathers:

    WHEREAS, James Madison, “the father of the Constitution,” said, “The powers delegated to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the state governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. The powers reserved to the several states will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people.”; and

    WHEREAS, Thomas Jefferson emphasized that the states are not “subordinate” to the national government, but rather the two are “coordinate departments of one simple and integral whole. The one is the domestic, the other the foreign branch of the same government.”; and

    WHEREAS, Alexander Hamilton expressed his hope that “the people will always take care to preserve the constitutional equilibrium between the general and the state governments.” He believed that “this balance between the national and state governments forms a double security to the people. If one [government] encroaches on their rights, they will find a powerful protection in the other. Indeed, they will both be prevented from overpassing their constitutional limits by [the] certain rivalship which will ever subsist between them.”; and

  129. cuchieddie

    Wolverines! Nuff said eh? :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

  130. German Dragon

    :arrow: Charlotte Lequieq

    “It is about time many people are starting to get the message that is really important.”

    I quite agree. That is why God is calling me to make movies that allows Him to reach the audience on a level the Bible calls “Deep calleth unto deep” in the privacy of the theater.

    “German Dragon, you are very wise and knowledgable because you can see past the smoke screen.”

    What you are perceiving is my experience gained from 15+ years of study in religious demonology, plus two major exorcisms. I see things from their spiritual origins, as they then extrude themselves into the psyche of this world.

    “We must all know that God and satan have been at war from the creation of man. This world is satins world because Adam chose knowlege instead of the spirt of God. From that time on mankink has had a choice for the light of God and everlasting life or satin and the pit of fire. I don’t know about anyone else but my choice is God and Life thru Jesus by his blood shed on the cross for all those that repent of their sins may have everlasting life.”

    I will give you my opinion: This war is very, VERY winnable. I wish I could post sketches and diagrams, for then I could illustrate the the relationship of spirit to psychological, to the end of explaining why we CAN win. But it hinges on engaging the pop culture from its current liberal monolith to one of competing ideologies. Satan and his puppets in the Democrat Party have no defense for that.

    This is why I so strongly support getting veterans like Iggy involved in storytelling and filmmaking, because we need more like him involved in engaging the pop culture.

    Like Cpl. Rorio said in Pat’s bio page: “He’s fighting a war with a camera instead of a gun.” That is what ALL OF US need to be doing. It might be nothing more than spending time at the tavern to find those isolated college kids who’ve been spoon-fed the liberal bullshit and then practicing the techniques of, well, “brain-washing” to get them to reconsider what they thought they believed in. Trust me, they are extremely shallow and if you can isolate them in a friendly environment, you can get to make them reconsider what their profs have spoon-fed them. I’ve seen it work.

    As for the work I’m involved in, I fully expect to be more hated by the Lefties than George W. Bush. I am taking this war to the very soft underbelly of Evil Spirit to challenge him/it in ways he hasn’t considered, and as the erstwhile “exorcist” I fully expect to pay the price for it. But America, and what she represents, and what God commissioned her to be, is more than worth it.

    To this end, study Malachi 3:13, especially the alternative translations of the Hebrew. Hopefully this weekend I’ll finally have the time to post what I’ve been meaning to post for some time in “Deep Thoughts.” But I will disclose the spiritual origins for “Political Correctness” and Satan’s irrational battle against God — and the one weapon that God Himself, in all of Scripture, identifies as having the power to defeat God.

  131. The day is short at hand, and obambi will hear us make no mistake, be prepaired :cool:

  132. [...] now forming up in our government. Obama intends to break America’s heart, spirit and spine. Pat Dollard posits an interesting theory as to how Obama might advance his destructive agenda. Sadly, the theory is highly plausible. Now [...]

  133. RANGER LOTTIE LEQUIEU

    :arrow: GERMAN DRAGON
    How can I help the most right now? We have no time to lose. I have grown daughters and three grandkids that are most precious. I also know that will be against me. I can be strong if I know Iam right and I could offer my family to sacrafice if it would be an offer to god that he could value and know that Iam sincere. God be with us all and give us the strength, courage, power to do your work. May you protect each and every willing to take on the cause before us. We will all gain our America back the way it was first ment to be. Take all the evil, and their techonology out. Let man kind live on the earth in peace and love. And those left to cary on in your name and know your love and live by your laws to give the earth another chance to show we are worthy. War is declared right now against the evil upon us and may we have the knowhow and tools needed to susceed. In the name of Jesus Christs name Amen. Freedom Cursaders For God :smile:

  134. :gun: It all starts with your rites being removed, I should think the second will be first, so watch and see what happens. :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

  135. that was the second amendment

  136. Thinking Hard

    :sad: all you would really need to do is start smallpox outbreaks in the areas insurrection would be most likely. This way you get all first responder types including the most moral and ethical military to turn their gins on the population, enforcing quarrantine. During a plain civil disturbance there might be outside actors (read china) who would interfere. Not so, in case of Smallpox, which would make them hesitate to insert their own people into a situation of this nature.
    they’d wait it out.
    This way the non vaccinated and the individuals with weak vax from the 60s would either be killed off or incapacitated. The crisis would be huge and real. And any of the people who are of favored status could be easily and effectively insulated from the threat.
    Think about it.
    Its an elegant solution really.
    and people would turn to the govt to save them. They’d have to.
    I mean, what would you do to get your child Vaccinated?

  137. Steve

    http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_gun.gif
    As a retired Deputy and Marine, I have no qualms against arming myself against a terrorist government. In my nearly 70 years I have seen a lot happen around the world and do not fear the future. I put my trust in my savior, Jesus Christ and will deal with what ever comes down the pike. It is interesting that no where in the end times (Book of Revelation) is the United States mentioned. Be alert,be ready, Love the Lord and all will be well.

  138. Pat, as always, you write wisely and well about the issues we face. Jory and Tim are right also: this is NOT about Obama being at the top of the food chain here; he’s merely a puppet for the true rulers, which we all need to understand, are NOT the Repub and Dems, for they, too, are not little more than puppets and mechanisms through which to pull the strings.

    We are indeed at a precipice, and with wisdom and luck, we can outsmart those who would push us into the places they choose. Thanks to all of you here, we grow larger, stronger and smarter every day, and our will to prevail shall trump the evildoers’ greed.

  139. Pat,

    Please don’t discourage people. I want to see more tea parties not less. Many people are tired of sitting in front of their TV screaming at it …. they want to share their frustrations and be heard. With that said since I am a very cynical person I really questioned your post…. almost 50 years on this earth gives me that right.

    I am not certain about your thoughts on Lincoln. I visited the state house he served in while in IL on my way home from Indiana….and the feelings and emotions I had their just don’t jive. That being said difference of opinion is what makes the world go round.

    As for Obama you may be right. But then I read about “the new global deal” between Obama and Brown of GB and I must look twice at your thoughts! Obama is the puppet to some master puppeteers, he is not leading the country, someone else is!

    If Obama was leading the country he wouldn’t be on the campaign trail 24/7 bankrupting us with the cost of Air Force One on top of his deficit spending!

  140. Syndromeofadown (the dirty dirty kafir)

    :arrow: Amen Hawkdriver. We are coming,and we are keeping tabs.

  141. BaltimoreMan

    All I can say is that I have seen this coming for year.
    welfare reform in the 1996 passed into law by republican Congress and signed into law by a democratic president. A few years after enactment welfare rolls were down 50%.

    I thought we were on the tough road to moving socialism out of the poor black community and replacing it with wealth producing American capitalism. But incredibly we’re going in the opposite direction. Instead of poor Americans on socialism becoming more like rich American on capitalism,rich American on capitalism is becoming like poor America on socialism. Uncle Sam has welcomed the banks onto the plantation and they have said thank you “Suh”. Now instead of thinking about what creative things needed to be done to serve customers they are thinking about what they have to tell Massah an order to get their cash.

    I personally think that the day they give amnesty to ten twenty thirty or forty million Illegal,that will be the day we will lose our country.
    In
    Dreams of My Father. “Obama’s” economically illiterate father’s dream of stealing all of the wealth of enemy races (whites and Asians), and giving it to his own race, is his dream, too.

  142. JaxMan

    :gun: :beer:

    Great article. I’m with you guys 100%

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