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Mar 24, 2009 54 Comments ›› Pat Dollard

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This is from Snooper at the Snooper Report, an esteemed blogger, activist and dedicated member of the Dollard Nation and Active. This has the feel of one possible initial campaign for Active. The idea could be expanded on, as they could be sued for many things, including treason during the Iraq war. Let me know your thoughts.

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FIGHT BACK WITH NO MERCY

The other day, I had an idea and in the hopes that it would not die alone, I decided to actually go and see if it was a good idea. That’s the funny thing about ideas. You never know if it is good or not unless you seek council.

My idea was this. Seeing that the anti-Americanists have managed to subvert the judiciary in this nation to the extent that more unconstitutional laws have been passed than constitutional ones, I was wondering if we could use the courts to reverse that trend. One never knows.

So, I went to my attorney that I have used for years for many things and made an appointment for one of those 30-minute free consultations. I presented my idea/desire to my attorney and that 30-minute free consultation lasted more than two hours.

I went armed with facts and data. I took my notes. I took my laptop with the “go anywhere” internet card just in case. I also had everything downloaded onto a zip drive and left it with the firm and they were eager and happy to have the data.

My idea was this. What is the feasibility of suing the congress as a whole and each representative and senator individually for violating the United States Constitution? I was asked what I would settle for. I instantly recognized the question was really how much money I was looking for. I told them that I was not seeking damages in a monetary settlement. I was demanding that either the United States Federal Government either return to our Constitutional Republic or make the changes they wanted to make by constitutional amendments instead of passing federal laws which made the path clear for legislating around the Constitution.

Like I said, over two hours later, I witnessed six lawyers getting on board with the idea.

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  • Kermit

    Here is that report originally title “President to Dow to Gold Ratio” http://www.dagnyd.net/youarehere.htm

    I has a very interesting analysis of timelines regarding Fascist Movements and their relationships to the economy, and of course the presidency.

    It also has a very nice graph of comparing gold to housing prices.

    Its author was originally a scientist (physics, math) and involved in the arms industry with good contacts worldwide on the ground.

    Predicted almost to the day the oil collapse several months before it happened when everyone else was predicting a very steep climb.

    • German Dragon

      WOW! Thank you for posting this link. This woman has her ducks in order, that’s for certain!

    • Kermit

      :arrow: GD
      I’m not sure if Dagny is a woman or a man. Lots of the folks connected with her/him are proponents of the ideas presented in “Atlas Shrugged” and believe that the US has long been left leaning for decades.

      Why is it that a number of former Eastern Bloc countries went to a flat tax rate when they became free? Why haven’t we done the same thing?

      I understand that Bulgaria is fast becoming a medical mecca for the world due to a free enterprise system. BULGARIA!

    • Right_is_Right

      My guess is that Dagny D’Anconia is a pseudonym for the true author. Dagny Taggart and Francisco D’Anconia are major character’s in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Schrugged.

      I have not read the article yet but plan to…I am sure that it will be worth it.

    • German Dragon

      :arrow: Kermit

      Dagny referred to herself in one of the articles with the feminine pronoun.

      “Why is it that a number of former Eastern Bloc countries went to a flat tax rate when they became free? Why haven’t we done the same thing?

      I understand that Bulgaria is fast becoming a medical mecca for the world due to a free enterprise system. BULGARIA!”

      As I recall, after the Soviet Union broke up they analyzed what was the best means to stoke their economies. With the advice of a number of economists, they determined the fastest way to prosper their citizens was to adopt capitalism with a flat income tax and limited government spending & regulating.

      What happened to America? In a word, socialism. Starting with either Coolidge or Wilson. Where it really took off was FDR, who demonized the achiever class and ushered in the class-envy rhetoric that’s still with us today. (As a curious note, for those who worship FDR’s memory I will point out that, after his death, it was FDR’s own Democrat Party that submitted the 22nd Amendment, limiting the President to two terms, so that another FDR could arise.)

      If there is one silver lining I hope comes out of this impending disaster, it’s that the austerity that will be forced upon all of us will finally strangle the class-envy warfare ideology because we as a nation can no longer afford to indulge it. Further, this austerity will be so deep that it will provide the opportunity to dismantle the welfare state started by FDR and expanded upon by LBJ because we will no longer have the money to continue it.

    • German Dragon

      :arrow: Kermit

      I should proof-read my posts better. :mrgreen:

      I meant that “another FDR could NOT arise.”

      And to answer your question, “why haven’t we done this here in America?,” the answer is power and control. Having a “progressive” tax code means being able to give favors to your contributors, and in Bambi’s case it means extorting contributions lest you be taxed out of existence. And, along those lines I have no doubt that’s what Bambi and the Democrats will attempt, until they become so egregious in their drunken power display that all of America demands a migration to a flat tax to pre-empt these types of shenanigans in the future.

      The sad part is too many Americans are actually CHEERING Bamb’s “soak it to the rich” rhetoric without thinking they are the ones who will get soaked in the end. Maybe with during our upcoming disaster they’ll finally gain understanding. Then again, maybe not.

    • Kermit

      :arrow: Dagny does not always use the feminine description. Most of the regular readers of the reports have no clue. Her/his friend (Dr. Jack Wheeler) came up with the pseudonym so I’m sure that it could go either way. There was a hint about a year ago that leads me to believe Dagny is actually a male.

      As far as an eat the rich sentiment among today’s under 35 yo demographic, I observed this as a coming threat about 12 years ago. While not the majority, there are enough bad apples to spoil the entire bushel with ease for all ages. I’ve not only observed them studying Das Kapital, but also Mein Kampf! Often times they are loners at heart with some who run with them but I would not say that there are any real friendships. They do not cover each other’s back. However, their numbers have grown since the Reagan Era.

  • German Dragon

    I can well understand why the lawyers are interested in this one. It’s the very target by which names and reputations are made on an historical basis.

    This would amount to the mother of all class-action lawsuits, being the Citizens of the United State of America versus the Federal Government. And I would not necessarily exclude punitive damages, because that could be an excellent way to punish not only the Congresspeople who wrote these bad laws, but to name the “deep pocket” lobbyists who push them as well. Ergo, let the DNC, lobbyists, Leftie foundations, ACORN, MoveOn, etc., cough up the trillions of dollars that Bambi wants to spend.

    And I would also include the President in this one, so he is bound to enforce his Oath of Office as well.

    Remember how the Libs and Dems loved the “Special Prosecutor” law, until it was turned against them during Clinton’s era? I cannot think of a better cause to unleash this particular hell-hound against the Dems that spawned it than to sue the Congress and their lobbyists for damages against the Constitution and America, seeking trillions of dollars of restitution. An interesting way to de-fund the Left in this country.

    An extra strategy: As part of the lawsuit, seek to rule all laws not in conformance with the Constitution as invalid, especially the encroachment of the Commerce Clause.

    The only fly in the ointment: We are two states away from a Con-Con with the most rabidly Leftist Congress seated in history. How could that upset this strategy? Is it even a concern? Thoughts?

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      “…de-fund the Left…”

      That isn’t all I’d like to do. :roll:

  • Storm 0311

    Outstanding.

    Logical payback in a legal setting.

    Now for the reality check. The Constitution means nothing to these people because they see themselves as “citizens of the world” not Americans.(thats why Obama’s birth certificate doesn’t even come up on the elites radar)

    The Constitution is an inconvenience, because they know best.(Like they really give a shit)

    Why the hell all these lib’s think that as individuals they personally are going to be allowed to drive in the first among equals lane is beyond me.

    The Taxs they increase will be carryed by us not them because as we’ve seen in the hearings, they don’t pay them.

    Obama inks a book deal before the inauguration. “Presto” the money goes into tax free bonds and funds. John f,ing Kerry says boo Theresa’a free money gets spent.(her first husband was a conservative he helped make that family fortune. What the hell he’s dead)
    Kennedy money was made running booze in the prohibition times.
    Taxs are something you get around or just forget to pay until you get appointed for something.

    Barney Frank and Chris Dodd run hearings and don’t get called out for it………………..

    Sue em. I bet the lawyers won’t take it unless they are paid hourly. And then it will be Government lawyers that we pay for to fight we the people.

    We get it coming and going.
    Unless somebody is willing to fight this pro-bono I don’t see how it can last.

  • Storm 0311

    I apologize for being a bummer.

    • German Dragon

      Don’t apologize. This is the process where everyone presents their insights and viewpoints, and then everyone on the team attempts, as we called it, to “shoot arrows” in what was proposed so that only the strongest, best defensible plan/design/whatever was proceeded with. It was S.O.P. for years during my professional consulting career.

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      I don’t see it as being a “bummer”. We need to kick this around while making appointments with attorneys across the country. Word of mouth is very powerful.

      Sheridan Folger said the other night that if we do not follow through with our initial actions, we might as well not start at all.

    • Storm 0311

      I’m really coming around to the hit and run flanking maneuver concept.

      I think it has to be a state by state civil issue.

  • American Woman

    This is a ray of sunshine in an otherwise dark nation. I pray to God this goes all the way, knowing tons of people will get behind this.
    Congress and the potus take an oath to uphold the constitution and are not fullfilling their responsibilities costing we the people our freedoms and future. There are enough grounds to take them down and maybe then we could get to the bottom of bos Bith Cert. They all need to be dragged out of DC and term limits for congress!!

  • Trep

    Great Idea!! Where can I sign up to further this effort? What can I do to help? How? When? Where?

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      It starts with you. Make an appointment with attorneys who offer 30-minute free consultations. Pretty soon, the Esquires will be talking to each other and word will get out. That is the whole intent.

      The attorneys I talked to are considering pro bono work.

  • Kermit

    Here is an interesting post I got via thedeadpelican.com

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block127.html

    A professor at Loyola (New Orleans) slams the “Diversity” Task Force

  • Roland

    IIRC, the Members and Constitutional Officers themselves have immunity protections from liability resulting from the legal exercise of their duty. This protection presents both a high hurdle to the use of lawsuits in this way, and an opportunity in the form “piercing the veil” of this immunity by challenging that a given individual’s participation was not within the envelope of the legal exercise of their duty.

    Suing the USA government as a whole and other components does not have the same immunity issues, but as we have seen standing is the hurdle. We have also, however, seen that even cases with limited legal legs can bring low cost publicity and influence public opinion.

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      BINGO

  • http://ftfreedom.blogspot.com/ littlefox (planting seeds in the USVI)

    :cool: :idea:

    Here is a little evidence of what FEMA did with money meant to help after Katrina.
    http://www.bamaco.com/beverly.htm

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/171/RipOff0171209.htm

    • Kermit

      Actually if you want to know who REALLY made out like a bandit after Katrina you need not look further than the past governor of Louisiana’s largest campaign contributor, Jim Bernhardt CEO of Shaw Group. Even many big contractors had to go through them as they only shuffled paperwork. Just about every crane in the area was working for them getting tugboats, yachts, fishing boats, offshore supply boats (small ships) off of the levees and out of the marsh.

      Shaw Group was the only large company to back Blanco (pronounced Blank Zero in my book) in her campaign against Jindal (pre-Katrina) and it paid off in spades.

      About doing work under government funding. Always, Always and again Always have every i dotted and t crossed or it will be very expensive for you. They are more worried about paperwork (and all their contractors and subcontractors) than getting the job done. A good friend of mine got a direct contract with Phillips & Jordan who specialize in government contracts. They know the papergame well. He was project manager for the largest piece of the World Trade Center cleanup and had worked directly with them. The project involved laying out and handling all of the steel that was removed from the site and sifting through ALL of the debris for human remains and clues to who was in the building via wallets, purses, etc…

      After Katrina (with an extended vacation from his employer) made enough money to put some in his pocket, buy two large Bobcats, and two tractor trailers (demolition debris type dump trailer) and hire a third tractor trailer rig with driver. He had a fulltime clerk (his wife) dot every i and cross every t throughout each day and had no problems getting paid. After the cleanup was winding down, he and his wife sold the equipment

      While I understand Tom’s being pissed off, as a rookie jumping into a game he did not understand was not a good move, especially with his own money. Not having a signed contract and still going down there was a really dumb business move. I know, I’ve done it myself and lost considerably more than he did.

  • Pete

    It’s a good start, but I highly doubt that it’s going to go anywhere. See the courts that have ruled that private citizens suing for access to BHO’s birth certificate have “no standing” when it comes to getting information about the motherfucker who’s supposed to be CinC.

    Gotta start at a grassroots level, and just get people to stop following unconstitutional laws.

  • Dan (The Infidel)

    In this country you can sue anyone for anything…for any reason. As long as the lawyers get paid on time.

    It is the Legislative body that is suppose to make the laws…not the judiciary. We got it bass-ackwards in this country.

    Suing is a waste of time. This system is so far removed from its founders that it needs to be destroyed…not preserved… and then rebuilt again.

    The statists are doing just that. Only they are rebuilding this government as a socialist entity. rather than the founders Constituional Democratic Republic.

    There needs to be a Civil War not like the 1861 variety but more along the lines of the English war of the 1640′s or the Spanish War of the 1930′s.

    Otherwise the statists will continue to undermine the rights of the people and permanately erase the idea that our rights are unasailable, when the statists place those rights in the hands of government Human Rights commission.

    Suing the government is a waste of time and money.

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      I prefer not to have blood running in our streets.

  • http://c.hadcoleman.com Chad

    Indeed, it may be a semi-fruitless effort. I highly doubt any true turn around will occur.

    BUT! if anything, this would make for a good publicity stunt for ACTIVE. If the major networks aired a story about a grassroots organization such as ACTIVE is out to sue the fed. govt. for crimes against the constitution, it very well may raise a lot of support for ACTIVE. It’ll bring in new members, increase funding and activity. Then we strike again, but with more financial/community support.

    But I’d say take it slow, till the new ACTIVE site is up and running strong. :beer:

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      That’s the whole idea – get “their” attention.

  • Dan (San Diego)
    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      Let them come.

    • http://ftfreedom.blogspot.com/ littlefox (planting seeds in the USVI)

      Easy for you to say…I really don’t want to go to prison…Anybody ever study Mao and the Cultural Revolution…many similarities.

    • amy

      Thanks for the link. Scary shit.

  • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

    Whereas I also do not expect a “legal” turn around of the unconstitutional CONgress, I do expect nation-wide attention if and only if millions of us actually go talk to an attorney. If the “Order of Conflagrational Esquires” (yes, I made that word and order up) talk among themselves as they always do, public opinion can and will be influenced.

    Tea Parties and the like are grand but if we do not take action and follow through with any of it, the exercise is an exercise in futility.

    Taking a selfish moment here, I have embraced The Suck for this Nation have been blown up and I’ll be damned if I am going to sit idly by and let Neo Marxism win the day. What I am trying to avoid is another War Between the States…blood smells horrible.

    Either we stand together or we fall separately.

    • Kermit

      Snooper all fronts need to be pushed forward with waves and waves of those on our side. We do have overwhelming odds if we actually mobilize. Tea Parties and Law are only two facets of the push forward. I like your idea and actions.

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      Thanks. We need to start somewhere and we need to out=flank the enemy. We out-flank and then hit them from the rear. That’s when we call in the artillery and air support. We cause them to scatter in fear and pick off the stragglers.

      We create a Tsunami and sweep them into the Abyss of Obscurity. We cannot afford to play nice-nice any longer.

  • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

    Thanks “General Dollard” for posting this article and standing on principle.

  • Vanessa

    Lawyers from each of the 50 states involved. More minds equals more ideas and to spread the work around so not just a few overwhelmed and inundated. To show how serious this is and so donations will be able to come in from all over the whole country since the whole country is involved.

    The power of the mind, the rule of law and G*d’s Good Graces, there is more than one way to water the Tree of Liberty, by your good works you shall be known, by your blood sweat and tear you toil for righteousness and justice.

    We cannot just lose our country to a bunch of backhanded thieves.

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      And all the people said?

      AMEN!

  • POD1
  • CPLViper

    :arrow: Pat,

    I just heard the Glenn Beck is going to sue the US Government … just kidding. :lol:

    • http://patdollard.com Pat

      Let’s just wait and see.

  • TBinSTL
  • http://ftfreedom.blogspot.com/ littlefox (planting seeds in the USVI)

    I guess you know this has been tried before.
    http://www.anthonykeyter.com/complaintusv535.pdf

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      I heard about him a while back but this isn’t the same thing, actually.

  • http://ftfreedom.blogspot.com/ littlefox (planting seeds in the USVI)

    I know many people here at Dollard Nation do not like Ron Paul and yes I disagreed with his plan for Iraq too.
    However, I believe he is one member of congress who is on our side. He has been fighting against BIG govt. and the restoration of the Constitution. I saw his platform as the “Put Your Own Oxygen Mask On First”

    Anyway he really needs to know about ACCDF.

    :arrow: TBinSTL
    maybe you should check this out
    http://www.ronpaul.com/events/regional-conference-st-luis-mo-march-2009/

    • http://snooperreport.com Mark Harvey (aka Snooper)

      I know Ron Paul … talked with him a couple times here in Texas. He is a nice guy but he is the wrong guy for the message. He drifts too much and he is hinky in many respects. If it didn’t sound like he was whining all of the time it would go a long way. His brother isn’t much better…they must have the whining gene or something.

      His views on national security stops my support of him and Alex Jones. Alex needs his own private rubber room, imho.

    • Kermit

      Totally agree with Snooper on this one. Paul serves as a distraction, but not for the enemy.

    • http://www.dirtydozensbunker.com Sanders

      We could get on Ron Paul mailing lists and send ACCDF info out onto them, but Scooter nailed it on Ron Paul and especially Alex Jones.

    • Storm 0311

      Ron Paul has got to many wack jobs screaming his name.

      I got into a conversation at a gun show about the brilliant Dr. Paul……(smart definatly, brilliant not so much.)
      They all said Dr. Paulllll this. and Dr. Paulllll that…..

      (in my youth I would like to think looking at womens private parts made me some how smarter however from my anecdotal evidence, being a gynecologist doesn’t make him magically qualified)

      The second I heard David Duke and a few others laud him, I was done with him.

      A broken clock is right twice a day. That is more than most politicians but does not mean he gets my support.

      Yupe .. this is like a shell game which on do we watch?

  • 0311inOHio (I didn’t drink the kool-Aid)

    Gives me a woody! Would be great but we can’t even get the courts to force Barry to produce his fucking birth certificate. So, I wonder what the real chance of suing these dick heads is :?:

    • karl anglin

      A petition is being circulated on worldnetdaily.com
      to force Obama to produce a birth certificate.

  • http://worddrum.wordpress.com/ Word-Drum

    Another fucking lawsuit!?

    Is it just me or is this a boring, useless idea?

    It’s all “Bleakhouse” to me. These law suits go on and on, people die or forget…

    How about a little Show Business Mr. D?

    I have found a theatrical approach is very effective.

    • Roland

      The two need not be mutually exclusive. Remember Gerry Spence.

      Ya got a big hat and some fringe Mr. Dollard?

  • Storm 0311

    If the fairness doctrine gets imputted somehow.
    How about a civil suit for the big 3 news outlets for censoring our news to fit there format/agenda?

  • karl anglin

    Gang related violence in Chicago, Illinois is at
    epidemic proportions. Shows how effective
    community organizer Obama was.