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		<title>By: Billy Yank</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/all-wars-are-economic-and-are-always-between-centralists-and-decentralists/#comment-490789</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Yank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did the south not have bullets to shoot back with.  I don&#039;t remember any battle where the south had nothing to shoot...not even at the very end.

Funny comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did the south not have bullets to shoot back with.  I don&#8217;t remember any battle where the south had nothing to shoot&#8230;not even at the very end.</p>
<p>Funny comment!</p>
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		<title>By: hegelbot</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/all-wars-are-economic-and-are-always-between-centralists-and-decentralists/#comment-405267</link>
		<dc:creator>hegelbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:arrow: john doe
I just want to use your comment as an example of what bothers me about this whole discussion &quot;whether we&#039;re free or we&#039;re not.  Either the Constitution and Bill of Rights are in effect or they&#039;re not&quot;

As much as the authors of the article raises good points about the origins of the civil war. I think he does have and axe to grind, and that an attempt to vindicate the south is basically wrong-headed.  

People have become so dependent upon the constitution and the bill of rights as some sort of talisman for the success of our country.  And while i no doubt agree that the Anglo-Celtic or Anglo-Saxon or British legal tradition have contributed to this success; this country has become a great country for many other reasons.  For example: a total lack of military rivals at all times in our history on the two continents in our hemisphere (or at least the ability to defeat those perceived rivals), cultural hegemony for over 250 years which is just now starting for fade, a strong central government which at the end of the day has shown restraint after suppressing opposition and infringing upon constitutional rights, an unexploited continent with abundant natural resources and room to grow, steady population growth during our entire history.  This have all contributed to the success the American nation.  

I am certainly not going so far as to say that the law, states rights, constitution, bill of rights, are not important, but i will say that most of the readers here put more stock in them then they perhaps deserve.  

The result being that many of you have arrived at an world-view with states rights and the constitution at its  core and are now willing to entertain parallels between our time and the time prior to the civil war, or to accept Lincoln as a sort of Marxist centralist. 

That seems unfair to me.  Lincoln supporting the union and industrial capitalism defeated the south, and in doing so prevented the rise of a rival nation in North America and allowed finally for westward expansion which had been halted by the slavery debate.  

I&#039;m not gonna argue that he was the best president. however he left our nation stronger and in a position to become the super-power it is today.  Our quality of life the relative freedoms we enjoy have as much to do with economics and projecting military force around the world as it has to do with our bill of rights and the constitution.  So it is not as simple as &quot;are we free&quot; or &quot;is the constitution in force&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif' alt=':arrow:' class='wp-smiley' />  john doe<br />
I just want to use your comment as an example of what bothers me about this whole discussion &#8220;whether we&#8217;re free or we&#8217;re not.  Either the Constitution and Bill of Rights are in effect or they&#8217;re not&#8221;</p>
<p>As much as the authors of the article raises good points about the origins of the civil war. I think he does have and axe to grind, and that an attempt to vindicate the south is basically wrong-headed.  </p>
<p>People have become so dependent upon the constitution and the bill of rights as some sort of talisman for the success of our country.  And while i no doubt agree that the Anglo-Celtic or Anglo-Saxon or British legal tradition have contributed to this success; this country has become a great country for many other reasons.  For example: a total lack of military rivals at all times in our history on the two continents in our hemisphere (or at least the ability to defeat those perceived rivals), cultural hegemony for over 250 years which is just now starting for fade, a strong central government which at the end of the day has shown restraint after suppressing opposition and infringing upon constitutional rights, an unexploited continent with abundant natural resources and room to grow, steady population growth during our entire history.  This have all contributed to the success the American nation.  </p>
<p>I am certainly not going so far as to say that the law, states rights, constitution, bill of rights, are not important, but i will say that most of the readers here put more stock in them then they perhaps deserve.  </p>
<p>The result being that many of you have arrived at an world-view with states rights and the constitution at its  core and are now willing to entertain parallels between our time and the time prior to the civil war, or to accept Lincoln as a sort of Marxist centralist. </p>
<p>That seems unfair to me.  Lincoln supporting the union and industrial capitalism defeated the south, and in doing so prevented the rise of a rival nation in North America and allowed finally for westward expansion which had been halted by the slavery debate.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not gonna argue that he was the best president. however he left our nation stronger and in a position to become the super-power it is today.  Our quality of life the relative freedoms we enjoy have as much to do with economics and projecting military force around the world as it has to do with our bill of rights and the constitution.  So it is not as simple as &#8220;are we free&#8221; or &#8220;is the constitution in force&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with it being the second war of independance and that slavery was a sideshow, though major.

But this obviously was written from a southern point of view.  A conspiracy theory to suggest Lincoln wanted the south to attack first.  Most of England is Anglo Saxon as they came and made the Celts a minority.  The Vikings or Danes then came.  so to say that there is cultural war from the ancient times is wrong and out there.  Oh and the South lost the war because they did not have a vision to fight a strategic, TOTAL war.  Also didnt help that the south got slapped around out West, oh and the best damn general the North had was Robert E Lee as he shot up the confederacy.  By the way I&#039;m from the West so I have no stake in the who&#039;s side I am on in the event that South rises again only to lose again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with it being the second war of independance and that slavery was a sideshow, though major.</p>
<p>But this obviously was written from a southern point of view.  A conspiracy theory to suggest Lincoln wanted the south to attack first.  Most of England is Anglo Saxon as they came and made the Celts a minority.  The Vikings or Danes then came.  so to say that there is cultural war from the ancient times is wrong and out there.  Oh and the South lost the war because they did not have a vision to fight a strategic, TOTAL war.  Also didnt help that the south got slapped around out West, oh and the best damn general the North had was Robert E Lee as he shot up the confederacy.  By the way I&#8217;m from the West so I have no stake in the who&#8217;s side I am on in the event that South rises again only to lose again!</p>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/all-wars-are-economic-and-are-always-between-centralists-and-decentralists/#comment-405137</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;UFO thinking&quot;?

You actually know anything about UFOs?

That Patriot is right. It has nothing to do with your job. Either we&#039;re free or we&#039;re not. Either the Constitution and Bill of Rights are in effect or they&#039;re not. Either they mean something or they don&#039;t. This country is becoming more tyrannical than the Founders ever dreamed. You know it, I know it, and the others on here know it. That&#039;s why we&#039;re here, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;UFO thinking&#8221;?</p>
<p>You actually know anything about UFOs?</p>
<p>That Patriot is right. It has nothing to do with your job. Either we&#8217;re free or we&#8217;re not. Either the Constitution and Bill of Rights are in effect or they&#8217;re not. Either they mean something or they don&#8217;t. This country is becoming more tyrannical than the Founders ever dreamed. You know it, I know it, and the others on here know it. That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re here, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/all-wars-are-economic-and-are-always-between-centralists-and-decentralists/#comment-404286</link>
		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PatriotofPast(Thomas)

To say that we are all slaves is absolute garbage.  If you don&#039;t go to work tomorrow no one is going to tie you to a fence post and whip you into a coma.  To get an idea of what slavery (and freedom) means, read Frederik Douglas&#039; autobiography.  You can google it online.

Look, the author of the article is contradicting himself.  On the one hand he says slavery was no big deal, and in virtually the same breath he says that to free the slaves would cause economic ruin.  I&#039;m surprised no one else picked up on that.

Furthermore, it is utterly and completely insane to say that a freed man is treated the same as a slave.  Something which he effectively says when he compares mistreated Northern factory workers to well fed slaves.  Oh really?  So how many Northern factory workers went down to the South and sold themselves into bondage?

Its precisely this kind of UFO thinking which causes me to dismiss everything else he comes up with.  Why should I bother confirming the things I don&#039;t know, when the obvious things are so clearly wrong?

Look, no offense to you all, but this is ridiculous.  Can&#039;t you see that this guy (James w. King) has an axe to grind?  He&#039;s using your very justifiable outrage regarding the Messiah, and the misreporting of this war to push forward his own wacky views.  Screw that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PatriotofPast(Thomas)</p>
<p>To say that we are all slaves is absolute garbage.  If you don&#8217;t go to work tomorrow no one is going to tie you to a fence post and whip you into a coma.  To get an idea of what slavery (and freedom) means, read Frederik Douglas&#8217; autobiography.  You can google it online.</p>
<p>Look, the author of the article is contradicting himself.  On the one hand he says slavery was no big deal, and in virtually the same breath he says that to free the slaves would cause economic ruin.  I&#8217;m surprised no one else picked up on that.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it is utterly and completely insane to say that a freed man is treated the same as a slave.  Something which he effectively says when he compares mistreated Northern factory workers to well fed slaves.  Oh really?  So how many Northern factory workers went down to the South and sold themselves into bondage?</p>
<p>Its precisely this kind of UFO thinking which causes me to dismiss everything else he comes up with.  Why should I bother confirming the things I don&#8217;t know, when the obvious things are so clearly wrong?</p>
<p>Look, no offense to you all, but this is ridiculous.  Can&#8217;t you see that this guy (James w. King) has an axe to grind?  He&#8217;s using your very justifiable outrage regarding the Messiah, and the misreporting of this war to push forward his own wacky views.  Screw that.</p>
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		<title>By: sully</title>
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		<dc:creator>sully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...When a burglar designs to enter a dwelling for the purpose of robbery, he provides himself with the necessary implements. The slavery question was one of the implements employed to help on the robbery of the South.... &quot;

And we now have a likely manufactured economic &#039;crisis&#039; as the implement to rob us of personal liberty.
AND money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;When a burglar designs to enter a dwelling for the purpose of robbery, he provides himself with the necessary implements. The slavery question was one of the implements employed to help on the robbery of the South&#8230;. &#8221;</p>
<p>And we now have a likely manufactured economic &#8216;crisis&#8217; as the implement to rob us of personal liberty.<br />
AND money.</p>
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		<title>By: Political.fish</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/all-wars-are-economic-and-are-always-between-centralists-and-decentralists/#comment-403945</link>
		<dc:creator>Political.fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:arrow: Pat,
I follow the thrust of your argument and cede the point, it is well made.  Your exegesis identifies Obama&#039;s &#039;Lincoln&#039; and assists to define the enemy mindset.  In history, as in the present, context is everything.  The primary difference being that Lincoln took those actions (rightly or wrongly) to preserve the Union and form what we now know as America,  Obama seems prepared to take similar action to destroy what we now know as America.  Therefore, we must focus on the preservation of our way of life, in the context of a Constitutional Republic, and forge relationships with those who will fight to preserve it, both military and civilian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif' alt=':arrow:' class='wp-smiley' />  Pat,<br />
I follow the thrust of your argument and cede the point, it is well made.  Your exegesis identifies Obama&#8217;s &#8216;Lincoln&#8217; and assists to define the enemy mindset.  In history, as in the present, context is everything.  The primary difference being that Lincoln took those actions (rightly or wrongly) to preserve the Union and form what we now know as America,  Obama seems prepared to take similar action to destroy what we now know as America.  Therefore, we must focus on the preservation of our way of life, in the context of a Constitutional Republic, and forge relationships with those who will fight to preserve it, both military and civilian.</p>
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		<title>By: Syndromeofadown (the dirty dirty kafir)</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/all-wars-are-economic-and-are-always-between-centralists-and-decentralists/#comment-403914</link>
		<dc:creator>Syndromeofadown (the dirty dirty kafir)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:arrow:  :shock: You just brought up a good point. Who could lead them, if they decided that warring it out was the answer? Powell and Clark are not stupid people, and we should not underestimate their influence in what may or may not be coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif' alt=':arrow:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' />  You just brought up a good point. Who could lead them, if they decided that warring it out was the answer? Powell and Clark are not stupid people, and we should not underestimate their influence in what may or may not be coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Political.fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political.fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These facts, regarding Lincoln&#039;s actions during the period of conflict 1861-1865, are not unknown to history. Nor should we be suprised that the current usurper would be willing to do the same or more during the comming confrontation.  What we should be asking is wether our prominent generals will be supporting the socialists, or the people, as this will determine the outcome.  Will Franks, Petraeus, and Schwartzkopf stand with the Constitutional Patriots? or will they side with the socialists?  What is Powell&#039;s position, and what is that traitor Clark up to?  The lesson to learn from the CW, among other things, is that the people MUST prevail and reaffirm our soveriegnty, or be content to asume the yolk of socialism under Obama and the nearing global governement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These facts, regarding Lincoln&#8217;s actions during the period of conflict 1861-1865, are not unknown to history. Nor should we be suprised that the current usurper would be willing to do the same or more during the comming confrontation.  What we should be asking is wether our prominent generals will be supporting the socialists, or the people, as this will determine the outcome.  Will Franks, Petraeus, and Schwartzkopf stand with the Constitutional Patriots? or will they side with the socialists?  What is Powell&#8217;s position, and what is that traitor Clark up to?  The lesson to learn from the CW, among other things, is that the people MUST prevail and reaffirm our soveriegnty, or be content to asume the yolk of socialism under Obama and the nearing global governement.</p>
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		<title>By: Syndromeofadown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syndromeofadown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southern children should know most of this, I know I learned it. Often my yankee transplant friends change their views after you drop some of these facts. I didn&#039;t know that the Union Troops had more vested in slaves than the Confederates. 

The Centralists versus Decentralists remains the same. Secular Humanism based around a collectivist ideology is the real enemy we face.

The reason we are given rights by a &quot;Creator&quot; is so that no human legislation can supercede our rights. Ever, even if you don&#039;t believe in a diety, you should understand the principles behind that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southern children should know most of this, I know I learned it. Often my yankee transplant friends change their views after you drop some of these facts. I didn&#8217;t know that the Union Troops had more vested in slaves than the Confederates. </p>
<p>The Centralists versus Decentralists remains the same. Secular Humanism based around a collectivist ideology is the real enemy we face.</p>
<p>The reason we are given rights by a &#8220;Creator&#8221; is so that no human legislation can supercede our rights. Ever, even if you don&#8217;t believe in a diety, you should understand the principles behind that.</p>
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