Pat Dollard

Everybody wave to the government watchers monitoring this site.

I’m not in now or have been in a militia. I’m a quiet, normal tax-paying, hard-working American that is growing concerned with the direction that this country is being taken. If I come off angry, good, I am. The political system, government and constitution is being raped. Our voice, our vote, our representation, our safety and our rights continue to be stripped away. My child’s future is being squandered away. If my concerns get me flagged as “militia” so be it. It’s simple physics, “with every action, there is a reaction”

“All this is an educational thing,” Hotz said of the report. “Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it’s our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement.”

It is “educational” alright. It only serves to project the agenda of the “ruling class” right down the line to their enforcement agencies. Notice that the phrase used by some police agencies “we are outgunned” comes up quite often as of late. In my opinion, if a police agency is “outgunned” it is because of the ineptness of the leadership of that police agency to stay current. It is through spreading the fear that “dangerous weapons” are on every street corner that the agenda is passed along. In reality, the danger comes in the educational process and the assumption that the common citizen knows less than the average police officer. Trust me, this is fallacy. I can, and often do, out shoot a police officer. Would I use that as a tool against a police officer? Hell no. Why? Because I have morals, ethics, and the obligation to obey the law just like every other rational human being. Some just choose not to care about the law, which be from mommy not hugging them enough, anger at society, or just plain being fucking ate up with dumbass. These are who we should “fear”. (Note: I put fear in quotation marks because if one were to allow fear to be a factor, these are the idiots it should be directed at. Personally, I choose the words “deal with” as an end to that statement. Take from it what you will.)

Here’s a personal story real quick to demonstrate the “authorities” and how they dislike the thought that an “ordinary citizen” might be armed. I come home from school the other day (I am NOT a 20 something anymore). As I approach my house I realize that there is a Sheriff’s vehicle blocking the street that intersects my street, directly across from my house. I carry a 1911 consistently. As I pull into my driveway, I realize there is a helicopter cycling circles around the neighborhood. I scan my front door, it’s closed as I left it. I begin to gather my stuff, including my 1911. I placed my 1911 in my lap as I turned around into the back seat to retrieve my book bag, etc. As I turned around (I have tinted windows) and faced the front of my vehicle (Chevy Silverado 1500) and turned it off I get, “tap tap tap” on my window with a flashlight. I turn the key back on and roll the window down. “Sir, I know you just got home, but do you mind if I look in your back seat?” “For what?” (Bear in mind I have my 1911 in my lap, somewhat blocked from his view by my book bag. As if annoyed I get, “Well, we’re obviously looking for someone…” I cut him off, “Tell ya what, you reach in and grab my pistol out of my lap, and you can.” Eyes big, oh shit on his face. “Well, I don’t think anyone would be that dumb or lucky to take you hostage.” Smiling uncomfortably he just walked back to his car. “WTF??” So, I proceed into my house with all of my gear, check it out, and sure enough, fine. I came back out (it was cold for Florida, 46°) and I put my hands in my pockets not thinking about it. I approached his vehicle. “Sir, take your hands out of your pockets!” I removed my hands and said, “Relax, dude, if I wanted a gunfight, don’t you think it would have happened at my truck? I’m cold.”

You see, this was a direct confrontation of his “authority” which is his “security”. I realize that police personnel have a difficult and sometimes thankless job. His demeanor changed (probably due to embarrassment from the encounter AT my truck) to indicate he was now “on guard”. I asked, “Do I need to pick my kids up from school? Is there something major going on, or was it just one of the idiots at the apartment complex back there (a crackhead section 8 apartment complex is located less than a mile from my house) again?” “Just go in your house, we have it under control.” “Yeah, as the helicopter hovering shows me, but that didn’t answer my question. I don’t want my kids walking into a situation that may turn stupid. I mean, I realize you have it under control and all, but if you had a hostage situation occur, you might not have control anymore.” Blank stare… “No, I don’t think it’s any big deal. (Demeanor change again, like, wow, I didn’t mean to be a dick, it just worked out that way.) We do have a dog coming so I would suggest you go inside.” “No problem, but I will be leaving soon to pick my kids up, even though you have it under control.” Turns out they caught whomever it was shortly thereafter and I didn’t have to go get my kids, but read the story a few times. Let it sink in. Digest it for what it is. At no time was I threatening, and at no time was I condescending, yet I was treated as though I was the problem. Again, I know what law enforcement personnel go through, I have many friends who are law enforcement. That will happen when you instruct shooting and compete in IPSC, IDPA, etc. Had I actually thought about what I was doing, I would not have put my hands in my pockets. I just assumed he realized I wasn’t a threat. That was MY mistake. I digress.

“If a police officer is pulling me over with my family in the car and he sees a bumper sticker on my vehicle that has been specifically identified as one that an extremist would have in their vehicle, the guy is probably going to be pretty apprehensive and not thinking in a rational manner,” Neal said. “And this guy’s walking up to my vehicle with a gun.”

This statement struck me. His description will be looked at by the “average” citizen as a paranoid statement. The point I take from it is this: A law enforcement officer is a human being. They are as prone as anyone else to make mistakes including assuming that they are being threatened when they are not actually encountering a threat, simply by the cues they are trained or told to base that opinion on. Just ask the Atlanta SWAT team that shot and killed an 80 something year old woman whose home they raided mistakenly. They were at the wrong house, kicked in her door, she was scared and decided to defend her property from whom she thought was thugs kicking in her door to rob her. She was in a panic. She was a law abiding citizen well within her rights to defend her property. She shot two of them before they had the time to identify that they were police officers. They shot and killed her. Atlanta and federal authorities found that the only criminal activity on that date concerning that incident was the confidential informant’s informing the police of activity at the wrong location. The target house was actually next door. Going back to the quoted statement, it would be tragic should a law enforcement officer pulled this guy over and seeing his Ron Paul bumper sticker assumes that he was dealing with “a nutcase”. While approaching the guy’s vehicle with a weapon drawn (due to this educational thing) the guy doesn’t realize he has a weapon pointed at him because he is gathering his documentation, and forgets to put his cell phone down. One tenth of a second of panic and this guy’s head is all over his wife and kids. All due to “an educational thing”. Far be it for me, the non law enforcement type, to call attention to this though. What the fuck do I know? I only handle firearms every day of my life, and have only been in combat twice. I don’t know what panic is. Nor do I know what it is like to fall back on training almost in a surreal state as if my mind was separated from my body and looking down from somewhere else making it the training that motivated me to move forward. No, I certainly don’t know any more about these situations that the “average” citizen.

Never cared for the group mentality kind of thing,more of a lone wolf type,but could be swayed.I LOVE MY COUNTRY

Do I need to remove my FUCK OBAMA sticker?

No, add another one. screw ‘em :beer:

Also, if you go to the link you provided and read the entire “pamphlet” I get the feeling that it either is a hoax, until I read an email back from the email address provided on the “pamphlet” or that the writer of the pamphlet is far less educated than he wants others to assume.

Several things hit me.

Mispellings

Counting Eric Rudolph as “Militia”. Stating that Eric Rudolph was strictly an anti-abortionist is like calling Sarah Brady legitimately concerned for the safety of the nation. If she had any notion of sanity in her agenda she would realize that it is enforcement we need, not further restriction. It just isn’t there. Eric Rudolph was admittedly more of an anti-govermnetalist who struck abortion clinics as a way to show that the government was amoral and corrupt. He stated it in court, read the documentation.

The Michigan Militia member who shot the law enforcement officer during the serving of a “warrant” admitted to it, and it was uninvolved with the militia, it was a divorce summons according to the trial.

The farm worker attempting to obtain Sarin and C4 was not tied to a militia movement, just a lone guy wanting to exact his own revenge for whatever.

The writer assumes that those of us who disagree with the election of Ofuck, only do so out of racism and not ideological differences inferred.

The author negates the fact that the anger at the taxation system is because of the already overburdening of the law abiding tax payers and that the opposition to the tax money being spent on non-taxpayer subsidies and entitlements is what drives most of these individuals to oppose taxation as it exists. Try the fair tax chief…assuming you want fairness in taxation…

Is it really extreme to fear that statements made may be true intentions? Yes, there is fear that Ofuck will mandate three month training or indoctrination programs, therefore building his own version of the SA/SS. It has happened, and it wasn’t extreme to fear it in 1939, trust me when I say this.

Protection of our borders is every citizen’s responsibility. The formation of the “militias” to do so, was nothing more than the uniform coordination of that movement in order to promote a core set of values and rules to do so. I assume he is referring to The Minute Men and their movement which has publicly stated they don’t even carry firearms on their patrols, nor do they stop anyone on their patrols. They observe the movement of illegal immigrants and call the proper authorities within ICE to deal with them.

Playing paintball has nothing to do with military training. It has been illegal since the mid 80′s to formally train in military tactics. If this statement were legitimate, there would have been many arrests reported. I have seen none.

It is, at least in Florida, illegal to recruit for any organization promoting military training as an objective at any gun show. There are a few re-enactors who commonly attend gun shows, and the NRA, other than that, there are almost no cases of recruitment happening at gun shows. At least in Florida. Then again, there have never existed any loopholes at gun shows either. FFL’s have always had to do background checks. The loophole they are chasing is the individual’s right to sell a personal firearm to another individual. Hence the new licensing law being pursued in D.C.

And in closing THIS book, I didn’t see mention of Ron Paul. Sorry, but maybe I missed it? It appears that this author is either: A.) Trying to intentionally instigate aggravation at the Mo. law enforcement, or B.)Has no real clue and a substandard education, but was tasked with putting something out in order to represent a threat to procure funding.

I haven’t made up my mind yet on this…

Hmmmm… Could be that this will be the new “terror alert” from the BO administration in their attempt
to eliminate anyone who threatens their power. Political stature, money, guns, dissenting opinions, organization and liberty are real threats to these neo-marxists. They have and will continue to be aided by the MSM. In time, I’d like to think that the O-bots & neo-marxists will have bitten off more than they can chew and will eventually alienate enough people to cause their own demise. So just watch your arse until then.

I think some people in Washington are getting very scared and very worried.

Good!

My instincts are connecting this with the four Army guys sent to do civilian enforcement, and the 20,000 troops stationed in the Northeast for “peace-keeping.”

This is not boding well.

It’s one guy, in Missouri, whose opinion was documented in an “Educational Thing”.

If this were a federal agency, I might be inclined to agree.

As of now, until I get a response from the one guy in Missouri that supposedly wrote it, I am reserving judgment.

No room here, see my response on that post…

Read the entire linked document again. NOWHERE does it deny the beliefs of the “militias” are false! It says “here are their beliefs,” and lists NWO, whatever, but does not argue the point that they are wrong! During Clinton’s term, anyone having an anti-abortion sticker was deemed to be a “possible terrorist.” All this crap is being put out to scare people into line. I have some buddies who flew a Gadsden flag in Iraq; I hardly think serving armed forces personnel are “militia members.” Most, if not all of these militia scares are drummed up by BATF, the FBI, whatever, to scare you from voting for who you want to vote for or exercising your Bill of Rights. Remember, the current administration is going to try anything they can to foment trouble and pit people against each other. It follows Alinsky, Lenin, etc. Riddle me this: How come these LEO bulletins NEVER refer to communists or jihadist organizations? Hmmmmm? If they are freaking out over “militias” while Hadji and his pals are running loose, the border with Mexico is a seive, and the wealth of the USA is being wiped out, I would think that instead these FED LEOs are idiots and need to be fired. We need COMPETENT people on the front to keep a nuke from slipping thru or drug lords from expanding their kidnapping business in the lower 48. Me? I carry a piece ’cause a cop is too heavy.

Excellent remarks!

I attended a free C.E.R.T class in southwest missouri a while back.(community.emergency.response.team) I liked the idea of serving my local community in a natural disaster or emergency, plus we got a free backpack full of gear. One of the classes delt with emergencies due to homegrown terror groups. In this area of missouri there are groups connected to the KKK. It was stated that there were currently two dozen groups that were being moniterd by the ATF and FBI. This fusion center was discussed as well as the need for local law inforcment to be able to identify hate groups. It was intresting that they presented it as domestic terrorist and hate groups and did not use the term “milita”. It would not supprise me if a document like this was created. I do not feel it is right for concerned citizens to be lumped in with hate groups.

Here’s a link to the document:

http://www.firearmscoalition.org/images/news/miac-militia-2009.pdf

What scares me is calling a group of men who think alike that love their country but hate the TRAITORS in our govt as a hate group.This could describe my tues mornings bible study group at my church,fishing club,or the folks at my local gun store.

When the time comes I will defend my house and family .Against my govt or anybody else.Let the brass fall will it may

It reads like a simple-minded one-dimensional, listing of groups, types, tactics and motivations.

I suppose it is a good way for the police to give a quick history lesson and overview of Militia movements in the US to the troopers and police forces. I would not want to leave this kind of data gathering up to each individual police department in the state (Not everyone should write history books!), so it follows that someone should catalog the Militias and their motivations.

But this pamphlet paints Militia movements as dangerous first, and even as misguided patriots, Constitution be damned. Militias are part of the Constitution itself and I would think they need to actually support and defend them in public. This would lower fear and distrust. Things are too amped up to have misunderstandings like this.

I’m very conflicted. Our organization supports our local police in our own way with funding for small projects.

I wonder what the ‘take’ our local poice have on Militia groups in general?

Umm, look at the linked jpeg from the booklet in the story. Top paragraph says:

“These members are usually supporters of former Presidential Candidate: Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr.”

According to the Maricopa Sheriff Dept. (home of the famous “Sheriff Joe”), that is EXACTLY what the FBI did some time back in asking them to distribute a pamphlet that defined “Right-Wing Extremists” as “Defenders of the U.S. Constitution against the federal government and U.N.”

The Republicans overwhelming support for Obama’s Volunteer gangs this morning on C-SPAN.

Obama setting up America Islamic Empire…From Atlas Shrugs.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/wake-up-wake-up.html

Gateway Pundit has the PDF document from the “Missouri Information Analysis Center” at

http://www.gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

In the words of my old southern grandmother “It aint no good.”

I guess I am considered a domestic terrorist.

Also bear in mind that this could be an Alinsky-disinformation gig to get conservatives to distrust LEOs. ALWAYS bear in mind that one of the most prolific tricks of communism is their PSYOPS abilities. The Kenyan Teleprompter is pulling them left and right. He has everyone upset over the AIG “bonuses.” BFD. That is a red herring. His brain (the Teleprompter) is up to something else. Let’s see if we can figure it out. At least we have now peeled back one layer of The Kenyan to find a Teleprompter. What’s behind that?

Maybe I should quit wearing my favorite shirt
no.can’t conform.against my nature.

Google my ancestor, “preston brooks.” What a guy!

This is so unbelievable.
I have near perfect credit and no criminal record, yet because I home school and want to grow my own food I have become an enemy to the state
My 3 children have been in expensive private college prep schools for 11 years. We switched to home schooling this year, for several reasons.
Our Founding Fathers are ROARING in the grave.

So I wonder if I were to print a couple of hundred thousand “Impeach Obama NOW” stickers if that would add me the “enemies” list? Would anyone buy them? How about RECALL PELOSI NOW; that Traitor Trash BITCH. Maybe we should call for Geithner to commit suicide instead? :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: That might be good start!

I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE SOCIALIST TRAITORS. TIME FOR TEA! THEN WE ORGANIZE AND TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK.