Comments on: Feinstein: Don’t Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/ The War Starts Here Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:51:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: dacoelec http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-415062 dacoelec Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:02:23 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-415062 Kermit And if you're in the mood to argue with me about electricity you'd better be an electrical engineer and I don't mean one of these phony bastards that has a degree but no practical experience. Kermit
And if you’re in the mood to argue with me about electricity you’d better be an electrical engineer and I don’t mean one of these phony bastards that has a degree but no practical experience.

]]> By: dacoelec http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-415058 dacoelec Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:58:48 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-415058 Kermit Any survivalist with a brain will buy a 6500 watt diesel generator for 1500.00 and about a 1000 gallons of diesel, run his unit about 2 hours a day to keep his freezers cold, shower etc. The idea that solar will do anything more than keep a few batteries charged is a liberal myth. And saying you could buy the panels and related equipment to run your house for $15,000.00 is a crock of shit. What do you live in a dog house? Have you ever put a power monitor on your meter? Kermit
Any survivalist with a brain will buy a 6500 watt diesel generator for 1500.00 and about a 1000 gallons of diesel, run his unit about 2 hours a day to keep his freezers cold, shower etc. The idea that solar will do anything more than keep a few batteries charged is a liberal myth. And saying you could buy the panels and related equipment to run your house for $15,000.00 is a crock of shit. What do you live in a dog house? Have you ever put a power monitor on your meter?

]]> By: dacoelec http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-415035 dacoelec Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:29:18 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-415035 Kermit You better redo your research.... You've lost your mind and it's idiot posts like yours that confuses people. You haven't the foggiest idea how the hell to do the math. Are you an electrician? Or just a wanna be? Kermit
You better redo your research…. You’ve lost your mind and it’s idiot posts like yours that confuses people. You haven’t the foggiest idea how the hell to do the math. Are you an electrician? Or just a wanna be?

]]> By: Kermit http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-414242 Kermit Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:50:05 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-414242 If I am not mistaken all voltages from solar panels are low voltages (per panel) and DC not AC. Normal arrays of panels put out 600 volts DC (as connected in series like car batteries). The produced electricity then needs to be stored in a large UPS system which is basically a rack full of car batteries. Before it enters your household system it needs to be converted to 120 volts AC. While photovoltaic cells (solar panels) are not competitive today to power a power grid, they have been used by the oil and gas production companies for years in remote locations. They are far less expensive to install than running an electric line for miles through the wilderness. In these cases on one or two (if that) 174 watt panels are used to generate power for measurement and control equipment which in miliamps. Panels made by Sharp and Panasonic have been typically used. If I wanted to, I could go off grid and power my home with an investment of $15,000 not oounting my installation costs. Now this makes a lot of sense until I get to the need for lost area in my home for a climate controlled room to store the batteries and conversion equipment, maintenance, and loss of use of the initial investment. With a survivalist mentality, it makes a lot of sense to install such a system for your home. You might even want to scale it down to maybe 4500 watts. This is sufficient to operate two each one room air conditioners, a refrigerator, a microwave, a washing machine, household lighting, a coffee maker, a television and computers. BTW, 1 watt = 1 volt x 1 amp. If I am not mistaken all voltages from solar panels are low voltages (per panel) and DC not AC. Normal arrays of panels put out 600 volts DC (as connected in series like car batteries). The produced electricity then needs to be stored in a large UPS system which is basically a rack full of car batteries. Before it enters your household system it needs to be converted to 120 volts AC.

While photovoltaic cells (solar panels) are not competitive today to power a power grid, they have been used by the oil and gas production companies for years in remote locations. They are far less expensive to install than running an electric line for miles through the wilderness. In these cases on one or two (if that) 174 watt panels are used to generate power for measurement and control equipment which in miliamps. Panels made by Sharp and Panasonic have been typically used.

If I wanted to, I could go off grid and power my home with an investment of $15,000 not oounting my installation costs. Now this makes a lot of sense until I get to the need for lost area in my home for a climate controlled room to store the batteries and conversion equipment, maintenance, and loss of use of the initial investment.

With a survivalist mentality, it makes a lot of sense to install such a system for your home. You might even want to scale it down to maybe 4500 watts. This is sufficient to operate two each one room air conditioners, a refrigerator, a microwave, a washing machine, household lighting, a coffee maker, a television and computers.

BTW, 1 watt = 1 volt x 1 amp.

]]> By: dacoelec http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-414216 dacoelec Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:04:06 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-414216 Alternative energy, my ass. The very best solar panels generate about 1 watt per sq ft. @ 120 volts. The average clothes dryer consumes 4500 watts @ 240 volts. Do the math..... The solar panels also have a useful life of 20+ years. A Sanyo 6500 watt system currently runs about $43,000.00 not including installation. Anybody got that kind of money just laying around even assuming we were stupid enough to clime on the solar bandwagon? Wind power my ass! How much does the wind blow in your area? Even the wind power supporters claim that it will generate about 25% of the time. Cut through the bullshit and you will arrive at the real figure of about 12%. Windmills need a steady 8+ mph wind and will shut down at about 30 mph to keep from disintegrating. Anybody here willing to accept having power about 10 to 15 percent of the time? I didn't think so. So it takes our existing generating infrastructure, 60+ percent coal, about 15 percent nuclear and the rest natural gas to maintain a constant flow of electricity running 24/7 because no one knows when the wind may suddenly stop blowing. If it wasn't for the sorry assed public school system dumbing down people until they can't even think for themselves and have completely lost the ability for logical thought, this type of farce would never have received a penny of public funding. The public outcry would have scared the crap out of the politicians and their lobbyist friends. The only thing that's going to stop it now is electric rates at least doubling in the next five years. Mine have gone up 25% in the last year and I just had a notice in my last bill of another 12% increase effective in May. And just think, we can thank a 52.9% of American fools for voting for this........ Alternative energy, my ass. The very best solar panels generate about 1 watt per sq ft. @ 120 volts. The average clothes dryer consumes 4500 watts @ 240 volts. Do the math….. The solar panels also have a useful life of 20+ years. A Sanyo 6500 watt system currently runs about $43,000.00 not including installation. Anybody got that kind of money just laying around even assuming we were stupid enough to clime on the solar bandwagon? Wind power my ass! How much does the wind blow in your area? Even the wind power supporters claim that it will generate about 25% of the time. Cut through the bullshit and you will arrive at the real figure of about 12%. Windmills need a steady 8+ mph wind and will shut down at about 30 mph to keep from disintegrating. Anybody here willing to accept having power about 10 to 15 percent of the time? I didn’t think so. So it takes our existing generating infrastructure, 60+ percent coal, about 15 percent nuclear and the rest natural gas to maintain a constant flow of electricity running 24/7 because no one knows when the wind may suddenly stop blowing. If it wasn’t for the sorry assed public school system dumbing down people until they can’t even think for themselves and have completely lost the ability for logical thought, this type of farce would never have received a penny of public funding. The public outcry would have scared the crap out of the politicians and their lobbyist friends. The only thing that’s going to stop it now is electric rates at least doubling in the next five years. Mine have gone up 25% in the last year and I just had a notice in my last bill of another 12% increase effective in May. And just think, we can thank a 52.9% of American fools for voting for this……..

]]> By: sully http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-414056 sully Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:43:32 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-414056 This is the only "alternative energy" that suits environazis.... http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/stars5501/hybrid1-1.jpg This is the only “alternative energy” that suits environazis….

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/stars5501/hybrid1-1.jpg

]]> By: Cajun Joe http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-413991 Cajun Joe Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:47:59 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-413991 "...would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land..." Unless the contracts for the panels went to Ms Feinstein's husband's Companies, URS and/or Perini. :gun: “…would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land…”

Unless the contracts for the panels went to Ms Feinstein’s husband’s Companies, URS and/or Perini.

:gun:

]]> By: Cajun Joe http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-413980 Cajun Joe Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:42:30 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-413980 Not in my District! Just like Kennedy's Wind Farms, they are needed, but not on his coast. F'em! :gun: Not in my District!

Just like Kennedy’s Wind Farms, they are needed, but not on his coast.

F’em!

:gun:

]]> By: CJW http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-413976 CJW Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:27:09 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-413976 Let's have alternative energy, because we won't drill for own oil, won't build nuclear power plants, won't put those ugly windmills in our backyards, and we won't screw up the aesthetics of our open spaces with goofy looking solar panels. Let’s have alternative energy, because we won’t drill for own oil, won’t build nuclear power plants, won’t put those ugly windmills in our backyards, and we won’t screw up the aesthetics of our open spaces with goofy looking solar panels.

]]> By: nomee1 http://patdollard.com/2009/03/feinstein-dont-spoil-our-desert-with-solar-panels/#comment-413953 nomee1 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:03:45 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=64910#comment-413953 as if the desert is all that important to her, besides we needthe power, how about putting them up in fiestines back yard. :evil: as if the desert is all that important to her, besides we needthe power, how about putting them up in fiestines back yard. :evil:

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