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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Baby Killers!&#8221; Muslim Thugs Abuse Brit Soldiers Returning From Iraq &#8211; With Video</title>
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		<title>By: towelheadhater</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/muslim-thugs-abuse-brit-soldiers-returning-from-iraq-with-video/#comment-615620</link>
		<dc:creator>towelheadhater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kill them all before they blow up your buildings too and force innocent civeilians to jump out of buildings to their death</description>
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		<title>By: dave m</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/muslim-thugs-abuse-brit-soldiers-returning-from-iraq-with-video/#comment-406990</link>
		<dc:creator>dave m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work over there. Despite their media being worse than
ours, if that is even possible, there is a huge resevoir of
common sense throughout their population. At times even their
media have to recognize that fact.

Here is one of their biggest newspapers, The London Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article5891253.ece

in their headline editorial about what happened:

 Tolerance and the intolerant
The Islamist protesters against British soldiers espouse a perverse ideology and abuse the liberties of a free society; the liberal State is entitled to defend itself

The Islamist demonstrators in Luton who this week barracked soldiers returning from Iraq have been widely described as anti-war protesters. That is a big assumption. Their banners carried slogans including â€œMuslims Rise Against British Oppressorsâ€ and â€œAnglian Soldiers Go To Hellâ€. A local MP has claimed that they were linked to al-Muhajiroun - a now defunct organisation that applauded the 9/11 attacks and sought the establishment of a theocratic Muslim state. The protest appears to have been organised by a splinter from that group called Ahle Sunnah al Jamah, which promises more such events.

Whatever their formal affiliation, it is a reasonable inference that the protesters are not anti-war but pro-war. The war they favour is the one being prosecuted, in various parts of the world, by theocratic terrorism against open societies - and also closed ones that adhere to a different form of religious observance.

While the virulence of the Islamists&#039; case consigns them far beyond the fringe of public debate, the notion that the Western democracies are at least dismissive of oppression against Muslims is surprisingly widespread. In the past 20 years, the United States and Great Britain have fought military campaigns to restore the sovereignty of Kuwait against Saddam Hussein&#039;s imperialism; repel the genocidal aggression of Slobodan Milosevic against Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo; and overthrow the oppressors of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Islamist extremists thus talk not some errant and zealous form of liberation theology: they talk complete baloney.

Moreover, the Islamist hostility towards the West is only incidentally about Western foreign policy, or Israel&#039;s security policies in Gaza. It is at root an atavistic hostility to the principles of choice, pluralism, secularism and - consider the targets of the Bali bombings in 2002 and 2005 - mere sensual pleasures such as social drinking. As Osama bin Laden disclosed in an interview in 1998: â€œEvery Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate toward Americans, Jews and Christians: this is part of our ideology.â€

The Muslim character of the world view of the Luton protesters is also selective. It demonstrably does not represent the mainstream opinion of British Muslims. And the protesters are far from being consistent in their supposed concern for their co-religionists&#039; welfare. The massacre by the Taleban of the Shia Hazaras in Afghanistan elicits no protest, because the victims were of a supposedly heretical branch of Islam.

A liberal society by definition enshrines the right of dissent, and the freedom of speech and assembly. The response of politicians to the Luton protest has been, in the main, apt and lacking in platitude. The protest against the Anglian Regiment was grossly offensive to civilised opinion, but that is no reason for curtailing the right of protest. Freedom to offend is precious. Though the protesters may be uninterested in the point, the Armed Forces that they abuse defend the liberties that they exploit.

But there is a question about how far a bigoted, xenophobic and insurrectionist minority can reasonably expect tolerance. Voltaire never said that he would defend to the death the right to utter an exceptionable opinion. And it is a mere truism that even in America&#039;s libertarian political culture, speech may be abridged when there is â€œclear and present dangerâ€.

Al-Muhajiroun was banned because it glorified terrorism. While that legislation may appear expansive, it expresses a liberal impulse. The disaffection felt by groups that seek the overthrow of the State, and campaign for the defeat of Western forces in battle, is more than dissent. A liberal state cannot be a state unless it has the means to defend itself.

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I&#039;d say they are waking up. Maybe a little late.
Better a little late than never. Also, France to rejoin 
Nato. Cautiously said, Welcome Back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work over there. Despite their media being worse than<br />
ours, if that is even possible, there is a huge resevoir of<br />
common sense throughout their population. At times even their<br />
media have to recognize that fact.</p>
<p>Here is one of their biggest newspapers, The London Times<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article5891253.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article5891253.ece</a></p>
<p>in their headline editorial about what happened:</p>
<p> Tolerance and the intolerant<br />
The Islamist protesters against British soldiers espouse a perverse ideology and abuse the liberties of a free society; the liberal State is entitled to defend itself</p>
<p>The Islamist demonstrators in Luton who this week barracked soldiers returning from Iraq have been widely described as anti-war protesters. That is a big assumption. Their banners carried slogans including â€œMuslims Rise Against British Oppressorsâ€ and â€œAnglian Soldiers Go To Hellâ€. A local MP has claimed that they were linked to al-Muhajiroun &#8211; a now defunct organisation that applauded the 9/11 attacks and sought the establishment of a theocratic Muslim state. The protest appears to have been organised by a splinter from that group called Ahle Sunnah al Jamah, which promises more such events.</p>
<p>Whatever their formal affiliation, it is a reasonable inference that the protesters are not anti-war but pro-war. The war they favour is the one being prosecuted, in various parts of the world, by theocratic terrorism against open societies &#8211; and also closed ones that adhere to a different form of religious observance.</p>
<p>While the virulence of the Islamists&#8217; case consigns them far beyond the fringe of public debate, the notion that the Western democracies are at least dismissive of oppression against Muslims is surprisingly widespread. In the past 20 years, the United States and Great Britain have fought military campaigns to restore the sovereignty of Kuwait against Saddam Hussein&#8217;s imperialism; repel the genocidal aggression of Slobodan Milosevic against Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo; and overthrow the oppressors of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Islamist extremists thus talk not some errant and zealous form of liberation theology: they talk complete baloney.</p>
<p>Moreover, the Islamist hostility towards the West is only incidentally about Western foreign policy, or Israel&#8217;s security policies in Gaza. It is at root an atavistic hostility to the principles of choice, pluralism, secularism and &#8211; consider the targets of the Bali bombings in 2002 and 2005 &#8211; mere sensual pleasures such as social drinking. As Osama bin Laden disclosed in an interview in 1998: â€œEvery Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate toward Americans, Jews and Christians: this is part of our ideology.â€</p>
<p>The Muslim character of the world view of the Luton protesters is also selective. It demonstrably does not represent the mainstream opinion of British Muslims. And the protesters are far from being consistent in their supposed concern for their co-religionists&#8217; welfare. The massacre by the Taleban of the Shia Hazaras in Afghanistan elicits no protest, because the victims were of a supposedly heretical branch of Islam.</p>
<p>A liberal society by definition enshrines the right of dissent, and the freedom of speech and assembly. The response of politicians to the Luton protest has been, in the main, apt and lacking in platitude. The protest against the Anglian Regiment was grossly offensive to civilised opinion, but that is no reason for curtailing the right of protest. Freedom to offend is precious. Though the protesters may be uninterested in the point, the Armed Forces that they abuse defend the liberties that they exploit.</p>
<p>But there is a question about how far a bigoted, xenophobic and insurrectionist minority can reasonably expect tolerance. Voltaire never said that he would defend to the death the right to utter an exceptionable opinion. And it is a mere truism that even in America&#8217;s libertarian political culture, speech may be abridged when there is â€œclear and present dangerâ€.</p>
<p>Al-Muhajiroun was banned because it glorified terrorism. While that legislation may appear expansive, it expresses a liberal impulse. The disaffection felt by groups that seek the overthrow of the State, and campaign for the defeat of Western forces in battle, is more than dissent. A liberal state cannot be a state unless it has the means to defend itself.</p>
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<p>I&#8217;d say they are waking up. Maybe a little late.<br />
Better a little late than never. Also, France to rejoin<br />
Nato. Cautiously said, Welcome Back.</p>
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		<title>By: yankeemom</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/muslim-thugs-abuse-brit-soldiers-returning-from-iraq-with-video/#comment-406688</link>
		<dc:creator>yankeemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God bless you all, Poachers!!  You are appreciated on this side of the pond, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you all, Poachers!!  You are appreciated on this side of the pond, too!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous hourly worker</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/muslim-thugs-abuse-brit-soldiers-returning-from-iraq-with-video/#comment-406551</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous hourly worker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish someone had paid the cops to &quot;panic&quot; and &quot;run&quot; and leave the towelheads to the mercy of the crowd.

One can dream, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish someone had paid the cops to &#8220;panic&#8221; and &#8220;run&#8221; and leave the towelheads to the mercy of the crowd.</p>
<p>One can dream, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/muslim-thugs-abuse-brit-soldiers-returning-from-iraq-with-video/#comment-406464</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video on the www lionheartuk is great.</description>
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		<title>By: tjf</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>way to go counter protesters! thewy should have beaten there asses. Im currently in saudi arabia working. The people here are not the fanatics we are seeing in the uk and elsewhere. They pray and follow the pillars here and the idiots flee to europe and end up in the streets protesting the military.  :gun:  :sad:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way to go counter protesters! thewy should have beaten there asses. Im currently in saudi arabia working. The people here are not the fanatics we are seeing in the uk and elsewhere. They pray and follow the pillars here and the idiots flee to europe and end up in the streets protesting the military.  :gun:  <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':sad:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: infidel</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/muslim-thugs-abuse-brit-soldiers-returning-from-iraq-with-video/#comment-406429</link>
		<dc:creator>infidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least the Anglians won&#039;t have to travel so far to find the enemy next time!!!</description>
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		<title>By: RC</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/muslim-thugs-abuse-brit-soldiers-returning-from-iraq-with-video/#comment-406363</link>
		<dc:creator>RC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly how long can the Al Beeb continue to be THE muslim mouthpiece and advocate of all things socially regressive and divisive in the UK and also beyond? It shown nothing but contempt for the men and women who serve and ultimately allow it a public voice. It&#039;s quite obvious the side its chosen to represent is nothing short of treasonous. The BBC and also elected public/local representatives are in hell already, they sold their souls and social conscience and decided their course long ago. All that remains is for that hell to become a living bloody one, be it when British natives reclaim their homeland from these muslim scumbags, or if cowardice prevails, the C&#039;Wealth collapses and every Brit succumbs to mooning the sky five times a day. 

It&#039;s difficult to predict at the moment as to which side will be victorious, such is the PC lunacy that has that isle (and much of continental Europe) in a grip - but here&#039;s hoping the British terrier awakes from its stupor and drives these lazy ungrateful savages and their socialist guardians into the channel. It&#039;s that or the UK becomes another Lebanon. 

There are signs of resistance.. but will it continue to grow is the real question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly how long can the Al Beeb continue to be THE muslim mouthpiece and advocate of all things socially regressive and divisive in the UK and also beyond? It shown nothing but contempt for the men and women who serve and ultimately allow it a public voice. It&#8217;s quite obvious the side its chosen to represent is nothing short of treasonous. The BBC and also elected public/local representatives are in hell already, they sold their souls and social conscience and decided their course long ago. All that remains is for that hell to become a living bloody one, be it when British natives reclaim their homeland from these muslim scumbags, or if cowardice prevails, the C&#8217;Wealth collapses and every Brit succumbs to mooning the sky five times a day. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult to predict at the moment as to which side will be victorious, such is the PC lunacy that has that isle (and much of continental Europe) in a grip &#8211; but here&#8217;s hoping the British terrier awakes from its stupor and drives these lazy ungrateful savages and their socialist guardians into the channel. It&#8217;s that or the UK becomes another Lebanon. </p>
<p>There are signs of resistance.. but will it continue to grow is the real question?</p>
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		<title>By: GRIZZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GRIZZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOD BLESS the departed.Well done mates</description>
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		<title>By: GRIZZ</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/03/muslim-thugs-abuse-brit-soldiers-returning-from-iraq-with-video/#comment-406359</link>
		<dc:creator>GRIZZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody needs a good ol fashion GEORGIA ASS KICKING.</description>
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