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The Civil War Stole My Great-Great-Grandaddy’s Slaves



Mar 24, 2009 19 Comments ›› Pat Dollard

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NY Daily News:

Jimmy Carter’s crazy slavery theory: He thinks the Civil War was un-Christian

By Ira Stoll

Here’s the latest outrage from Jimmy Carter, the ex-President so many Americans love to hate: He claims the Civil War – which he calls, Southern-style, “The War Between the States” – was un-Christian and could have been avoided.

The comments come in a new book, “In Lincoln’s Hand: His Original Manuscripts With Commentary By Distinguished Americans.” Carter comments on a passage by Lincoln in which Lincoln writes: “I am almost ready to say this is probably true – that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet.”

Carter writes that he finds the Lincoln writing “very troubling.” Continues Carter: “He ignores the fact that the tragic combat might have been avoided altogether, and that the leaders of both sides, overwhelmingly Christian, were violating a basic premise of their belief as followers of the Prince of Peace.” He concludes: “A legitimate question for historians is how soon the blight of slavery would have been terminated peacefully in America, as in Great Britain and other civilized societies.”

Carter’s comments are so stunning that at a recent discussion about the new book at the New-York Historical Society, both the book’s co-editor, Joshua Wolf Shenk, and another “distinguished American” who contributed to the book, Cynthia Ozick, distanced themselves from them. Shenk said he disagreed, and Ozick mocked the idea of negotiating with slave masters.

Carter holds up the British – who didn’t fight a war over slavery – as an example, but a careful look shows that case to be thoroughly unconvincing. Parliament had acted in 1807 to ban the slave trade and in 1833 to abolish slavery altogether. By the time the Civil War began in 1861, America’s legislature had yet to follow suit – and the Southerners didn’t appear in any great rush to do so.

How much patience should Lincoln have had with the immoral institution? How many more lashes should have fallen on the backs of American blacks during Carter’s hypothetical waiting period for slavery to terminate “peacefully”? The period wouldn’t have been particularly peaceful for the slaves. One might as well argue that the bloodshed of the American Revolution could have been avoided, given that British rule was eventually terminated peacefully in Canada.

This debate is about more than history. When Carter met with leaders of the terrorist group Hamas last spring, it provoked widespread outrage from American politicians and commentators and condemnation from American and Israeli government officials. At the time, I was inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, figuring that if he won the return of kidnapped Israeli soldiers such as Gilad Shalit, Eldad Regev or Ehud Goldwasser – or even the return of their remains – all would be forgiven. Having Carter do the talking was a convenient way for the Israeli and American governments to stick to their stated policies of not negotiating with terrorists.

But given the Civil War comment, we can no longer see each misstep or misstatement in isolation as just another crazy comment from an old man who wasn’t that good a President anyway. Carter seems to go to irrational extremes to avoid forthright confrontation or conflict with evil of any kind – even when ending human slavery is at stake.

The Obama administration is going to be faced with policy decisions on negotiating with Hamas, Iran, North Korea and others whose hands are stained with crimes akin to slavery. It may help President Obama structure the internal discussions if he considers whether he wants to perceive America’s conflicts in the fashion of Lincoln, his fellow Illinois politician, or in the manner of Carter, waiting around for a peaceful termination while today’s victims and slaves suffer beatings and are deprived of their freedoms.

Me: Somewhere in Georgia there is an empty bed and stained bedpan waiting for this man …


  • Syndromeofadown

    That’s one old bastard I won’t miss.

  • http://www.jihadwatch.org LCpl. Alexander

    The sad part is, when this piece of shit dies, obama will still be alive.

    • sassysuz

      Your absolutely sure about that are you?

  • Sully

    Yet again, proof the devil went down to Georgia looking for a soul to steal… and Jimmah lost.

  • Phil Byler

    Jimmy Carter is a flake.

  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/Texas_Flag_Come_and_Take_It.svg/800px-Texas_Flag_Come_and_Take_It.svg.png Allen TX (Come and Take It)

    I just like the idea of America doing some blood-letting every now and then. Maybe this time it will result in more freedom instead of less.

  • http://www.johnmccain.com Kurt(the infidel)

    and now i would like to add my rebuttal to this..

    BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

  • anonymous hourly worker

    Neville “Jimmy” Chamberlain participating in Monday morning quarterbacking.

    A good author who made a spectacularly shitty president. My childhood home is still ringing with my father’s screaming from every time Carter’s face appeared on the evening news.

  • POD1

    Still waiting for that pancreatic cancer gene to kick in on this loser.

  • http://roadsassy.com Zee

    How dare that bastard talk about God. Or America. God damn him for breathing

  • sierrahome

    I wonder if he knows Whiskey Before Breakfast…I seem to be picking it up quite nicely since January 20th.

  • GRIZZ

    Carter and sherman are four letter words in georgia

  • billie

    The Brits abolished the slave trade but it didn’t stop their sea captains from continuing to transport slaves. If the captains spotted the Royal Navy on the high seas, they tossed the slaves overboard rather than risk heavy fines. Carter holding Britian up as a shining example shows his lack of knowledge regarding true history.

  • Kermit

    For once Jimmy does actually peruse a line thought that does need to be studied.

    While slavery was wrong, it was a definite economic warfare against the South. The South at the time was solid as Jacksonian Democrats. They were against any central bank (like the Fed). As an economic matter, the asset known as slave holdings was second only to land holdings in the entire U.S. and its Territories at the time in its value.

    Did you know that a great many of the slaveholders like Robert E. Lee had schools on their plantations to prepare their slaves for freedom? Did you know that many of them had it in their “Last Will and Testament” that all of their slaves were to be freed upon their deaths after being prepared for such freedom?

    BTW, did you know that slavery still existed in the North AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation?

    • MinneSoCold

      :arrow: BTW, did you know that slavery still existed in the North AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation?

      Didn’t you hear? Obama has re-instated slavery, economic/social slavery of you, your children and their children. But he’ll take “good” care of all of us….he’s Papa Smurf!

  • http://earthlink nomee1

    :arrow: LOOSER :mrgreen:

  • GRIZZ

    I liked his brother

  • TTibbs

    “how soon the blight of slavery would have been terminated peacefully in America,” – NEVER.

    Why?

    Because of the 3/5ths Federal Ratio that southern Republicans-soon-to-be-renamed-Democrat extorted from the founders in the Constitution. Every free white man in the North had one vote but a free white man in the South who owned 100 slaves had 61 votes. This was “Constitutional” but immoral. The immorality of slavery – both in its damage to slaves but also in its damages to republican government had to be washed from America’s culture and polity with the blood of patriots.

    Consider the 12 Negro presidents prior to the Civil War who would not have been elected if they had not been able steal not only the lives and property of 4 million slaves but also their votes.

    Mr. Carter did not get his PhD in nuclear engineering by being stupid. But common sense and a basic understanding of the history of his own home state he does not possess.

  • cold soldier

    THANK YOU KERMIT!!!! I’m so sick of hearing that the “Civil War” was about slavery, it was about taxation without representation(sound familiar?).The south peacefully broke with the union (see the condstitution, this was legal) and the north attacked them.Those who win wars write the history books.