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“Catastrophe’s” Crash: Market In Dramatic Dive For Second Day As Soros Scoffs At Rally, Says Bear Market Will Endure



Apr 7, 2009 21 Comments ›› Pat Dollard

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It would appear that George Soros has been appointed as the administration’s mouthpiece of catastrophe, since Obama was getting slammed for doing that job. However, needing to keep the country in crisis mentality in order to continue to expand the powers of the Federal Government, they had to find someone to do the job. Someone they know and trust and who people will believe.

That being said, ACTIVE’s economic team has advised me that 2010 and 2011 are going to bring very bad news, in that just like the sub-prime loans took us into the ter, so will the teaser rate loans that re-adjust in 2010 and 2011.

““It’s a bear-market rally because we have not yet turned the economy around,” Soros said in an interview with Bloomberg Television, referring to the rebound in stocks since March 9. “This isn’t a financial crisis like all the other financial crises that we have experienced in our lifetime.”

Bloomberg:

April 7 (Bloomberg) — U.S. stocks fell for a second day as George Soros, the billionaire hedge-fund manager, said the rebound in equities won’t last and investors speculated Alcoa Inc. will kick off the earnings season with a loss. The dollar weakened against the yen, oil fell and Treasuries gained.

Bank of America Corp. and Citigroup Inc. slid at least 2.3 percent, while Alcoa slumped 4.4 percent. Applied Materials Inc. retreated 4.1 percent after a contract for solar equipment was slashed by $1.65 billion. Archer Daniels Midland Co. fell 7.4 percent after Citigroup advised selling the shares, while Exxon Mobil Corp. and ConocoPhillips lost at least 1.4 percent as Barclays Plc cut its earnings estimates for the energy industry.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index fell 2 percent to 818.4 at 9:35 a.m. in New York. The Dow Jones Industrial Average tumbled 133.57 points, or 1.7 percent, to 7,842.28. Both measures have surged more than 19 percent since sinking to the lowest levels in a dozen years on March 9.

“It’s a bear-market rally because we have not yet turned the economy around,” Soros said in an interview with Bloomberg Television, referring to the rebound in stocks since March 9. “This isn’t a financial crisis like all the other financial crises that we have experienced in our lifetime.”

European and Asian shares also declined today. Alcoa, scheduled to release its quarterly report after U.S. markets close, will be the first Dow average company to post results for the January-to-March period.

Earnings Watch

For S&P 500 companies, profits probably fell 37 percent in the first quarter, according to estimates from more than 1,700 securities analysts compiled by Bloomberg. The stretch of seven straight declines in earnings is the longest since at least the Great Depression, data compiled by S&P and Bloomberg show.

Bank of America lost 2.3 percent to $7.31. Citigroup sank 3.3 percent to $2.63. Both stocks more than doubled in the four weeks ended April 3.

Alcoa dropped 4.4 percent to $7.56. The largest U.S. aluminum company will probably report an adjusted loss of $398 million, after making $341 million in the year-earlier period, according to analysts’ estimates.

“The first quarter will be a reality check for investors, and they will be focusing on guidance,” said Charles Dautresme, a strategist at Axa Investment Managers, which oversees $651 billion in Paris. “We’ll decline from this bear-market rally, but have established a floor on March 9 and that’s positive.”

Faber, the investor who recommended buying U.S. stocks before the steepest rally in more than 70 years, said the S&P 500 Index may decline to about 750 and rebound after July.

Selling Banks

U.S. stocks fell yesterday for the first time in five days as Mike Mayo, analyst at Calyon Securities, advised selling bank shares and International Business Machines Corp.’s purchase of Sun Microsystems Inc. collapsed.

The International Monetary Fund will raise its estimates for U.S. bad debt to $3.1 trillion from a January prediction of $2.2 trillion, with estimates of another $900 billion of toxic assets from Europe and Asia, the Times newspaper reported today in London, without saying where it got the information.

U.S. earnings may drop 31 percent in the second quarter and 18 percent in the next before gaining 76 percent in the last three months of the year, analysts predict. Banks will be responsible for all of the rebound in the final three months of the year. Without financial companies, the gain turns into a 4.5 percent decline, the data show.

Applied Materials slipped 4.1 percent to $11.09. The maker of semiconductor wafer-fabrication equipment said a $1.9 billion solar-power contract was cut to $250 million.

ADM Downgrade

Archer Daniels Midland tumbled 7.4 percent to $26.60. The world’s largest grain processor was cut to “sell” from “hold” at Citigroup, which said slowing agricultural demand and overcapacity are negatively impacting sales and margins.

Exxon Mobil Corp., the world’s largest oil company, and ConocoPhillips, the second-largest U.S. oil refiner, after Barclays cut its 2009 and 2010 earnings estimates for the industry, citing lower natural gas prices and refining margins. The bank’s analysts said that first-quarter results are likely to be disappointing.

Investors should “underweight” U.S. shares as a rally is likely to end and other markets are cheaper, Citigroup said in a quarterly report.


  • TedB

    May he be struck down for his evil.

  • Lock and Load

    I don’t know what’s worse, Soros and his trash talking, or how the market seems to hang on his every breath, and responds according to his pessimistic outlook :roll: :evil: Is Wall Street run by a herd of lemmings, or what :?: :!: :???:

    • JCD

      It isn’t just lefty assholes like Soros, alot of really good economists are predicting a complete and utter collapse of the world’s economic system. Google Karl Denninger (market-ticker website), Peter Schiff, CEO of Euro-Pacific Capital, or Gerald Celente of the Trends Research Institute.
      These are the guys to listen to, and they have been right before consistently and are right this time as well. WE ARE headed for catastrophe!
      Buy gold, guns, ammo, and canned food people. It’s all that will be worth anything, that and the land you sit on.

      Wall Street is not the economy, pay no attention to the market and the stock traders. This goes way beyond all that bullshit. Google the people I mentioned above and start reading, people!

    • Lock and Load

      :arrow: JCD
      Perhaps you misunderstand my point… I am not saying that all is rosy. I am saying that all of the negativity is not helpful to the economy, regardless of its condition, and Soros is talking things down to benefit himself. :evil: Nobody wants to spend if they think the end is near, and Wall Street always reacts to the slightest downward provocation. Wall Street may not be the economy, but it has been an indicator of how things are trending for the broader economy. Plus, it is also the location of the black hole that is eating my life savings, so I am going to pay a lot of attention to it, and anyone who wants to tank it, like Soros, can STFU :evil: :???:

    • JCD

      That’s just the thing, I’m not defending Soros but he’s got money in the market too obviously, and alot to lose, so I don’t think he’s being pessimistic to tank the market, any more than any other market skeptic. The previous market levels were a bubble and way out of line with average growth and thus we probably won’t see those levels again for quite some time. That’s realism, not pessimism my friend. :shock: I have lost alot of money too. Soros is still a douche nozzle nonetheless :gun: :gun: :lol:

  • Sierrahome

    I remember when I was 18 and heading off to big Ball State University and my dad gave me some very strong words. He told me that I should not be surprised that most college professors are idiots and that I would find that to be true most of my life. That was in the mid 1970′s and it is so very true that so many people that are in charge are in so many cases idiots. Deep down they know they are not the brightest bulb in the marquis so they often go with the flow, the latest trend, knee jerk reactions. They are the ones in meetings that use phrases like “at the end of the day” or “here’s the thing”…not once or twice but all the time. They think it makes them sound like they are cutting to the chase on a matter but they are simply another nasty little person with a big title and a pair of those “smart glasses”–the bold but smaller style frames.
    There was a time when our leaders and our bosses charged the beaches of Normandy and somehow survived but they are mostly behind us now and we are left with plastic banana good time rock and roll assholes that think Man Made Global Warming and Green Energy mean something other than a foot to the throat of myself, my family and this nation.
    Christianity is bad and abortion is good…sad little people that are nothing but posers and tools and that is why they are afraid of you and I.

  • http://dailystrike.com/ Erik Marsh

    There was an article in The Times of London or the Guardian (or somethin’) a couple of weeks ago talking about all these hedge fund managers that had been reaping in millions if not billions since the markets began to waiver last year. Soros was on that list. Yet, he was not at the top. Makes one wonder if he’s just the mouth piece for this group of guys. The “shine” on their turd. Just seems odd that 10 or so guys have been able to make hundreds of millions of dollars while everyone else goes down the tubes.

    • Paslode

      ‘The Street’ at present is not much different than playing a slot machine. Throwing tokens down the pipe, with a winner (a day or two of upward trends) here and there just to keep you interested (or invested)…..in the end you generally walk away with a empty cup and the House walks away with the your winnings and the cash you brought to play as well.

      Following the tune of what ‘The Street’ says, is little more than following the Pied Piper and his catchy tune…many will not agree, but that is my pesimistic two pennies worth of rubbish.

    • SealSister

      The market is so rigged right now … yes, like a slot machine as Paslode said. One week Citi is on the brink of being nationalized (when O said we’re on the brink of Depression); next it made a profit (when a positive spin on things bode well for O’s stimulus package to be rammed through); then we find out the reason it made a profit is because AIG was funneling it money.

      The reason some are profiting is because they know what’s going on behind the scenes and ‘place their bets’ accordingly. But just when Average-Joe investors feel like it could be ‘safe to go back in the water’ during this bear rally, things could tank again with the next Obama-breakdown moment. The latest outrage is the banks are now bidding up the prices of each others’ toxic assets so when the govt purchases them in the future, they’ll get a better price (more of our tax dollars).

      The common demoninator of all of this is CORRUPTION and until the system is rid of these crooks, the market is a crap shoot. It’s unfortunate that many viable companies are also getting taken down with the bad guys. I think the market still has a ways to go before all of the ‘surprises’ are worked out of the system.

  • Steve in NC

    I was speaking with someone who is in the business last weekend. He said he is buying as much ammo as he can get, and that he is moving nearly all of his personal wealth into commodities. He could not look at me directly when he tried to put a brave face on some of his comments and trying to sound optimistic.

    I got that the biggest issue to him was not his personal wealth at risk but the direction we are headed with the obama regime.

    It they do not get their hands off the banks soon the ‘shrugging’ of talent will be huge.

    He is not a tin foil hat wearer, but he is not lying to himself anymore and is dealing with reality.

    I think that if the regime does not let the banks properly compensate their employees by the third quarter of this year we will see a major talent drain out of our finance system. Whether you looters like it or not, they have skills that are worth quite a bit, they will only work for substandard wages for so long.

    BTY, I have read the Deutsche Bank is happy with the the thugs squatting in our White House. They will be soon be able to take some of our best talent.

  • Trialdog

    I need to ask a question cause I don’t understand something. Soros put out a ton of money for Dear Leader’s election. And Soros backed Obama from the beginning when he knew Obama was in very deep advancing “affordable housing” through ACORN, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac. How could Soros be so dumb as to back Obama and bet against strong growth in the U.S. economy?

    • Scoot

      I think he has all the money he needs right now. It’s about power, and we are just subjects of a sick game he is playing with us.

      And the fact that he is pure evil personified.

    • Mike Mose

      Soros, Obama, Reid, and Pelosi all work for the same team. They want a global currency and have bet everything on it. The United States of America is the bet. Once they bankrupt the US they can install anything they want. That is why they are preparing.

      June or July
      Buy Ammo

    • American Woman

      It is hard to wrap your brain around how someone could be so evil, knowing people are going to die because of him.
      I couldnt understand why anyone would want to have power over a failed poor country, but figured out that after they have crashed the dollar and brought this country to its knees they will untap the oil/nuclear and coal to build the country back up.

  • Al M (wxgesr)

    Soros and his hedge fund groupies place their bets(trades) against the American economy and the US dollar. The more Obamarman screws it up, the more money (control) Soros and his ilk make.

  • mark

    In the Bloomberg article, it said that oil fell. However, this clip from Newsy.com contains people in the media saying that the price of oil is on the rise… http://www.newsy.com/videos/following_the_price_of_oil/

  • MinneSoCold

    Puppetmaster in Chief

  • Vanessa

    Lots of evil people live a long time.
    They have mucho time to change their ways but alas how many do?

  • Randy

    Soro’s is the enemy and should be put on the terrorist watch list. Plain and simple. I’m convinced he is somehow at the heart of all this economic bullshit.

    Somebody needs to send in the CIA after this guy.

  • deathstar

    One
    Big
    Ass
    Mistake
    America

  • Sully

    This will continue until a ‘bottom’ is reached.
    That can’t happen as long as the Government is in control of the markets and the lying continues.