Obama Wants Non-Military Approach To Al Qaeda In Somalia

April 11th, 2009 (37) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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Washington Post:

Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps. But many officials maintain that uncertainty about the intentions of the al-Shabab organization dictates a more patient, nonmilitary approach.

Al-Shabab, whose fighters have battled Ethiopian occupiers and the tenuous Somali government, poses a dilemma for the administration, according to several senior national security officials who outlined the debate only on the condition of anonymity.

The organization’s rapid expansion, ties between its leaders and al-Qaeda, and the presence of Americans and Europeans in its camps have raised the question of whether a preemptive strike is warranted. Yet the group’s objectives have thus far been domestic, and officials say that U.S. intelligence has no evidence it is planning attacks outside Somalia.

An attack against al-Shabab camps in southern Somalia would mark the administration’s first military strike outside the Iraq and Afghanistan-Pakistan war zones. The White House discussions highlight the challenges facing the Obama team as it attempts to distance itself from the Bush administration, which conducted at least five military strikes in Somalia. The new administration is still defining its rationale for undertaking sensitive operations in countries where the United States is not at war.

Some in the Defense Department have been frustrated by what they see as a failure to act. Many other national security officials say an ill-considered strike would have negative diplomatic and political consequences far beyond the Horn of Africa. Other options under consideration are increased financial pressure and diplomatic activity, including stepped-up efforts to resolve the larger political turmoil in Somalia.

The most recent discussion of the issue took place early this week, just before the unrelated seizure of a U.S. commercial ship in the Indian Ocean by Somali pirates who are holding the American captain of the vessel hostage for ransom.

The administration has not shied away from missile attacks, launched from unmanned aircraft, in Pakistan, targeting what U.S. intelligence says are top members of al-Qaeda. Evidence against al-Shabab in Somalia is far murkier and the argument in favor of a strike is based on the potential threat the group poses to American interests.

“There is increasing concern about what terrorists operating in Somalia might do,” a U.S. counterterrorism official said. According to other senior officials, the camps have graduated hundreds of fighters.

The FBI and intelligence officials have said that at least 20 young Somali American men have left this country for Somalia in recent years to train and fight with al-Shabab against the Somali government and occupying Ethiopian military forces. In February, a naturalized American — 27-year-old Shirwa Ahmed of Minneapolis — killed himself and many others in a suicide bombing in Somalia.

The U.S., Canadian and European fighters at the al-Shabab training camps are, for now, being used primarily as cannon fodder in Somalia’s chaotic internal wars, Philip Mudd, the No. 2 official at the FBI’s National Security Branch, told Congress last month. “We do not have a credible body of reporting right now to lead us to believe that these American recruits are being trained and instructed to come back to the United States for terrorist acts,” he said. “Yet, obviously, we remain concerned about that and watchful for it.”

Some officials have said that those trained at the camps could leave Somalia, making their way through countries such as Yemen, where al-Qaeda has a stronger presence. But officials said there has been little movement outside Somalia.

Al-Shabab was formed from the remnants of an Islamist government overthrown in 2006 by a U.S.-backed Ethiopian invasion. Many of its recruits joined to fight the Ethiopians, who have now largely withdrawn, and officials said U.S. intelligence believes most al-Shabab fighters have been drawn to the organization for nationalistic reasons rather than an interest in global terrorism.

The group has become the strongest force inside Somalia, holding a large swath of territory in the south and contesting the current government’s hold on power.

Mudd compared al-Shabab to other nationalistic movements in places such as Chechnya and Bosnia that have drawn fighters from abroad. Foreign recruits raise the profile of the local militant groups and make it appear as though they are part of a broader struggle, Mudd said. “They’re accepting non-Somali fighters. . . . I think it adds to their credibility. It’s a public relations bonanza for them.”

Some of the widespread anti-Ethiopia feeling in Somalia redounded on the United States. “Certainly the Ethiopians weren’t very popular in Somalia, and the perception that anybody was helping them wasn’t popular there,” Dennis C. Blair, the director of national intelligence, said at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing last month.

The Bush administration asserted that some of al-Shabab’s original leaders were responsible for the 1998 attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and maintained ties to al-Qaeda. Last year, it added the group to its list of terrorist organizations. “There are indications that al-Qaeda has provided support for training activity” in the camps, said a U.S. counterterrorism official.

American officials do not discount the threat of an attack on the United States or Europe. “To the extent that the al-Shabab leadership talks to the al-Qaeda leadership in Pakistan,” the counterterrorism official said, “if that occurs with increasing frequency, then our concerns will grow even stronger.”

For the moment, however, U.S. officials are more concerned about attacks in Somalia and in the region. “We’re talking about . . . U.S. and Western interests, as well as potential attacks against other countries in Africa.”

Similar debates over how to deal with perceived threats in countries where the United States is not at war occurred during the Bush administration, which on several occasions canceled strikes because of insufficient evidence or concern about inflaming the local population and making a politically explosive situation worse. The newness of the Obama administration, one senior military official, has slowed the decision process even more.

They are “walking slowly,” the official said, “and for the players with continuity, the frustration continues to grow.”

But many on the national security team insist that it is their caution and willingness to consider all aspects of the situation that differentiate them from the overly aggressive posture of the Bush administration that they say exacerbated the terrorist threat.

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  • Birdddog

    Don’t count on it. Have your nuts dropped yet, or does Michelle have them in her purse still?

    • tarantula

      There is a Somali proverb.

      Me and my country against the world
      Me and my clan against my country
      Me and my family against my clan
      Me and my brother against my family
      Me

      He will not do anything military there as he doesn’t want to hurt any of his own family.

      My deepeer fear is for the men and women who are baking their asses at Camp Lemonier in Djibouti. I believe that by the end of 2009 they will get hit by islamists.

  • bill-tb

    For 7 years there were no terrorist hijackings of USA ships under Bush. And now … Seems like something has changed.

  • windigo

    Obama should do the right thing…and turn himself over to the PIRATES…

    • tlk

      He is the pirates.

  • Buzz Bannister

    Bambi better learn the Pirate alphabet: A-I-Rrrrr

    …*putz*

  • Scoot

    There needs to be a mutiny against this administration.

    :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

  • NickD (ensignricky71)

    Maybe in Obama’s world of cotton candy clouds and gumdrop trees he thinks he can talk to these lunatics. He’ll continue to think that until the first diplomat he sends over there gets his head sawed off live on video.

  • Scoot
  • tlk

    Do you think this guy wears pantyhose?

    • Phil Byler

      Yes.

  • falconfixer

    Maybe Obama needs to learn how to talk to the Pirates in a way that they will understand:
    http://www.fugly.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ad02658508fe4616098a

  • Matt in GA

    What a national embarrassment this guy is. I don’t think this nation has ever shown weakness to this degree.

    • Phil Byler

      This is just the beginning of the weakness. It will lead to American deaths. It will lead to huge buyers’ remorse.

      In the 2008 election, it was irresponsible to the point of lunacy for people to become so obsessed with the economy that concern over foreign policy, military matters and national security were essentially disregarded.

    • American Woman

      It is clear and they has said as much that they feel the US should not be the worlds super power. They believe that the responsibility should be shared by the other big countries like china and russia. China for sure will roll us, russia is supplying iran with what they need to start a middle east war so oil will go back up and russia can make money. when this happens russia will beef up their military.

      This is bad news people, he is giving our sovernty away to the UN look at his appointments! The liberals want so much to reduce America and punish her for the success we have been blessed with.

      obongo plans on dropping us down on the world stage and his actions at the G-20 proved this.

      Keep praying everyday that someone steps up to take him down on his treasonist acts against our country. power in prayer!
      God bless America!

    • tarantula

      Lemonier in Djibouti is s prime place for things to happen. There is already angst against that place due to the allegations of sending C-130 gunships from there to strafe somali areas. Untrue as it is, the facts don’t mean anything to the shitherders there.

  • Rose

    We’re all being held hostage by Obama the pirate. I hope I wake up soon…. this is a nightmare…..

  • skip jackson

    for my part,I’m in full agreement with Scott, we need to mutiny and part ways with all 535 people in power in Washington. “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. What this administration is seeking is absolute power. And the sad part is, it seems their plan is working.

    • Scoot

      Shhhhhh, Skip! Don’t use my real name! Now the enemy knows who I really am! LMAO!

      :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    • TerryTate

      ROFLMA…

      And all this time I thought your name was Scooter….

      You are screwed now Scott.

      :lol:

      :beer:

  • Fred

    American voter – Yes, you, the one who was in that group of the 53% who voted for Obonga’s “hope and change” – you are responsible for all the misery, chaos, and crisis that will attend your neural flatulence. You wouldn’t listen to us when we tried to tell you what this Red Diaper Baby was all about. You dismissed us who warned you because the sources of our information were “wingnut blogs and the alternative media.”

    Well, enjoy the shit sandwich. You wanted it. You got it.

    Unfortunately, the innocent and those who did not vote for this man and the Dhimmicraps will suffer for your idiocy.

    • Matt in GA

      This is definitely a good argument for a Heinlein “Starship Troopers” style Meritocracy. Some people are just to stupid to be allowed to vote.

  • blastdad( typical white patriot)

    Hey Matt:

    Jimmie Carter and his troop of fools set the standard, BHO is just going to the next level :mad:

  • heather

    its BHO brother and cousins who are the pirates

    • tarantula

      You got that right!

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  • s3cav

    Fuckin’ homo pussy. Balless & Brainless. A terrible way to go through life!

  • 0311inOHio (I didn’t drink the kool-Aid)

    :twisted: What a fucking ass hole… :gun: :evil:

    GGGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.. :mad: :mad: as hell….

  • Fred

    Obonga has no family jewels. Either they didn’t drop or Michelle put them in her lock box.

    AG Eric Holder, I swear, has to be a hermaphrodite. Ever listen to him speak? He makes homos sound masculine.

  • CPLViper

    No military action … yeah, that will work. Worked well in the 90′s too … so well that we received 9/11 for all our non-military action, hoping evil would just go away if ignored.

    • trustme1013

      This is exactly what I was going to say. I read the headline and immediately thought of how Clinton f*cked up the OBL scene by doing nothing, and of how we screwed up in Mogadishu.

      Thank you, Bill Clinton. May your legacy always be a smear on a dress.

  • billy_bonney

    Fuck these assholes, the “administration” I guess that means the punkass faggot we got in the White house dithers about what to do….idiot…Somalia is a lawless country, no Govt, no sovreignty, JUST LIKE AFGHANISTAN WHEN THE TALIBAN TOOK CONTROL…what did they do? Brought in a bunch of foreign fighters, mercenaries and AQ operatives to build up an army and then AQ used it as a springboard to kill Americans.

    Hit the bastards, hit them hard, determine if these pirates are in anyway receiving benefit or vis versa
    and kill two stones with one bird… the F 22 kind. :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

    Billy

  • Marked Right

    I think the FBI and the Justice Department under the brilliant leadership of Eric Holder should interview Somali pirate representatives and find out what these poor misunderstood individuals need from the US taxpayer.

    I believe we can work our way out of this situation with programs like “Warfare to Welfare for Pirates”. For our younger pirates we can provide, “Free School Lunch Program (with breakfast provided for those coming from broken families) for pirate children willing to attend the “Barack Obama Free Reeducation and Job Training Program”. For elder Pirates we can provide “Pirate Care” – free health care for those who promise to become “Adopted Grand-Pirate-Parents” to those children abandoned by their seaward bound fathers. For those Pirates who don’t qualify for these programs we should provide them with Green Jobs, like “Weather Proofing Huts”, “Outhouse to Methane Energy”, “Solar Cannibalism Ovens”, “Wind Power High Speed Internet”, and “Tidal Powered Latte Machines”. I believe with the right, I mean “left”, kind of government intervention we can bring understanding and peace to these oppressed and misunderstood people. Remember the pirates are Global Citizens reaching out for help from the wealthy American Taxpayer.

    And if that doesn’t work, Congress should quickly pass a law taxing Pirates 100% on any ransoms over $250,000 dollars.

  • aboutTObegin

    yeah…a non-military approach only emboldens the insurgents/terorists/pirates/ obongo supporters / his fucken tribe ….of course he doesn’t support the military or even PMC’s from going in there and eliminating the problem…he is a USURPER and a worthless one at that…he keeps this crap up and we will have 9/11 ten fold….

    -aTb
    Combat Veteran

  • Hawkerdriver(Pisson the Koran)

    :arrow: Billy_Bonney,

    An F-22 would be sweet,except ohomo’s latest kool-aid slurper/traitor/commie convert/jihadi lover Gates has canceled the program.

    Will be interesting to watch this boot licker empower omao’s agenda on the “ciciliain defense force” under the guise of DoD budget..

    Wolverines! :beer:

  • tarantula

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/04/200941373925842364.html

    Those at Djibouti, watch out

    Somali pirates vow revenge on US

    A Somali pirate chief has vowed to target Americans in revenge for the death of three pirates killed during a US raid to free an American hostage held by the pirates.

    Abdi Garad said on Monday that the US forces had shot and killed the men, even after they had agreed to free the hostage.

    “The American liars have killed our friends after they agreed to free the hostage without ransom,” Garad was reported by the AFP news agency as saying.

    “But I tell you that this matter will lead to retaliation and we will hunt down particularly American citizens travelling our waters.”

    The news agency reported that Garad was speaking by phone from Eyl, a pirate base on Somalia’s eastern coast.

    Sniper attack

    Navy snipers on the USS Bainbridge shot and killed three of the four pirates holding hostage Richard Phillips, the captain of a ship the pirates had attacked.

    The pirates had attacked the US-flagged container ship the Maersk Alabama and while the crew seized back the ship, the pirates kept hold of Phillips, the ship’s captain, on a lifeboat.

    He reportedly jumped from the vessel in an attempt to escape, but was quickly re-captured.

    The Bainbridge was one of two US navy warships sent to the scene to monitor the situation and rescue Phillips, a plan approved by Barack Obama, the US president.

    The US navy said the snipers opened fire when Phillips’ life appeared to be in danger.

    “They were pointing the AK-47s at the captain,” Vice Admiral William Gortney, head of the US naval central command, said in a Pentagon briefing from Bahrain.

    “The on-scene commander took it as the captain was in imminent danger and then made that decision and he had the authorities to make that decision and he had seconds to make that decision,” he said.

    Hostage situation

    Before the raid, the pirates, who demanded a $2m ransom for Phillips, warned the US government not to use force.

    Meanwhile, the Maersk Alabama arrived in the Kenyan port of Mobassa on Saturday.

    Abdulkadir Walayo, a Somali government spokesman, hailed the operation.

    “I hope this operation will be a lesson for other pirates holding the hostages on the ships they hijacked,” he said.

    The raid occurred only two days after French commandos stormed a yacht to rescue two French couples and a child being held by Somali pirates in a separate incident.

    Hijackings are an ongoing problem in the busy shipping lanes off the coast of Somalia.

    At least a dozen ships have been seized in the Indian Ocean and more than 200 crew members are being held hostage.

  • http://earthlink nomee1

    we all knew this was comming :mad: