Update: 13 Dead In New York Massacre – Biden Immediately Hints At Expanding Gun Control – With Videos

April 3rd, 2009 (33) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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New York Times:

Twelve or 13 people were killed when a gunman opened fire in an immigration services center in Binghamton, N.Y., Gov. David A. Paterson said Friday.

According to several news reports, the police said the 42-year-old gunman then killed himself with a bullet to the head.

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“While the situation is still developing and details are being gathered, we do know that a gunman entered the American Civic Association in Binghamton this morning and that there are fatalities,” Governor Paterson said in a statement Friday afternoon. “We are monitoring the situation, and I have directed the State Police to assist the Binghamton Police Department in any way they can.”

The gunman, described as an Asian male, had a high-powered rifle, Mayor Matthew Ryan of Binghamton told The Binghamton Press & Sun Bulletin. NBC News quoted law enforcement sources saying that several weapons were recovered from the scene.

Three people with gunshot wounds were being treated at Wilson Medical Center in nearby Johnson City, according to Christina Boyd, a hospital spokeswoman. They are a woman in her 20s and another in her 50s, and a man of undetermined age, she said; one was in critical condition, one serious and the third stable.

“We’ve been told that all of the fatalities are still at the scene because of the investigation,” Ms. Boyd said. “We’re hearing they will release the bodies soon.”

Another person was being treated at Our Lady of Lourdes in Binghamton, a hospital spokeswoman there said.

The Associated Press quoted a local official as saying that the gunman barricaded the rear door of the one-story association building in downtown Binghamton with his car before entering through the front glass door — past a 10-foot-tall model of the Statue of Liberty and the flags of many nations — firing his weapon.

The newspaper’s web site quoted the police there as saying that about 40 hostages were initially in the building. Shortly after noon, about 10 people were released from the building, the reports said, and about 40 minutes later another 10 were released. Others took cover wherever they could.

“Some people hide in closets, some people under table — everywhere you can hide,” said Than Huynh, 45, a high school teacher from Vietnam who translated for some of the Vietnamese survivors when they were interviewed by the police after they fled.

There was no screaming, he said. “They told me they tried to be quiet and run away.”

The Binghamton Police Department declined to provide details of the shootings, but witnesses said that officers and members of local S.W.A.T. teams could be seen during the day in positions surrounding the building, which is situated on Front Street, a mixed commercial and residential strip on the west bank of the Chenango River, near the center of the city.

Binghamton High School, around the corner from the scene of the shootings, was locked down until late afternoon, and nearby apartment buildings were evacuated.

The association describes itself on its Web site an organization that aids immigrants and refugees.

In New York on Friday, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. was to speak to the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network when he learned of the incident. As he told the audience about the shooting before his speech, an audible gasp could be heard. “We’ve got to figure out a way to deal with this terrible, terrible violence,” Mr. Biden said.

Mayor Matthew Ryan of Binghamton scheduled a news conference at 4:30 p.m. Eastern time to brief reporters about the situation.

Pennie Kerber, 72, who lives in a renovated former firehouse across the street from the civic association, said that as of 3 p.m., there were only about 12 law enforcement officers left at the scene. But earlier, Ms. Kerber said, she could see from her front upstairs window hordes of S.W.A.T. officers, F.B.I. officials, and probably “every policeman on our force” surrounding the civic association building.

Maryam Weisser, a vice president of the civic association, said in a telephone interview that she was not sure how many people were killed, though she knew that the group’s secretary and a case worker were in the building and that classes in English as a second language were going on at the time of the shooting.

“This is the friendliest, nicest place to be,” Ms. Weisser, a volunteer from Vestal, N.Y., said. “This is a community where we help with any immigrant issue, with citizenship and translation.”

As Beth Putrinmo, 50, who has been on the board of the center for six years, “I don’t understand how a violent thing could happen here unless it has to do with this person not getting citizenship or something.

“I don’t know why anyone would be so angry,” she said. “We’re always helping people. It’s just a great place to be. We have all kinds of people that come there. Laotian, Vietnamese, Yugoslavia — everybody.”

Last month, a gunman in Samson, Ala., shot and killed 10 people and wounded 6 others — including several members of his family — before turning the gun on himself.

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  • GRIZZ

    Its coming folks.I hope everbody has been stocking up.

    • Reloader449

      GRIZZ – How can we hook up?

    • GRIZZ

      Can you get my e-mail from pat?

    • GRIZZ

      If not I could meet you in boulder somewhere.

    • Reloader449

      I’m not assigned a position yet, Colorado Pres. or whatever. And waiting on Pat is the problem.

      How about halfway? We keep our airplane at Longmont airport. We have a hangar there. We could hang out and talk at the hangar, or go over and sit in the FBO if the weather is foul.

      Day and time?

    • Reloader449

      Obviously, I’m getting impatient. Tomorrow?

    • GRIZZ

      Sorry brother I had to leave for awhile,pick up new bushmaster and make dinner.Arent we supposed to get hammerd tonight.By snow of course.

    • Reloader449

      I think you’re right. I guess just a little more patience is in order. Pat’s busy.

      But it reminds me of the national weather broadcasts. They do the East coast weather, standing in front of and blocking a view of the weather forecast symbology in Colorado, and then they stand in front of and block the view of Colorado while they do the West coast weather.

      It’s like, “Well, nobody lives out there anyway, do they?”

      We made purchases at Del-Ton in February, and I picked up a sweet SW99 in .40 SW at AN EVIL GUN SHOW two weeks ago. Man, that place was packed.

    • Hardball1911

      Pat happens to be interviewing as many folks in a day as he can.

      Look at it this way. 50 states, each person in the state get’s 1-3 hours of time, plus the other shit Pat has to do to keep us in business around here and it equals more time in a week than any one of us has.

      He is working diligently and will be around to you soon if you haven’t been called yet.

      IN the mean time, stay patient and your reward will come. :)

    • Reloader449

      Whew, that’s a relief. Pat’s latest post (in another thread) indicates that he has found someone else, very likely far more qualified, for the Colorado state leadership.

      I’ve already started contacting new prospective members directly. I visited a firearms mfr today and gave them a few ACCDF cards that I printed out. Also gave a coupla cards to folks at the airport. So maybe I’m more cut out for a much lower level in the organization. :)

  • Trigger Control

    More Foreign fucks trashing our country. Hopefully they were all illegals killed.

    • American Woman

      wasnt the guy who shot up VA Tech from China, illegally?

    • Trigger Control

      Korean

    • Hardball1911

      Ok, I can tolerate a shitload, but I have to tell you that a senseless comment like this is bullshit.

      The people who were shot weren’t illegals, they were the one’s trying to do it right by taking an exam in order to complete their citizenship.

      What the fuck, over?

      “More foreign fucks trashing our country. Hopefully they were all illegals killed.” Has got to be an all time fucking low.

      I am former military, and can deal with quite a bit of the morbid humor that we dispose of around here, but your comment is first rate out of fucking line.

      The guy who shot up VA tech was a South Korean national with permanent resident status, which means he had immigrated here, properly.

  • American Woman

    “Biden Jr. was to speak to the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network”

    WTF why is it that every time I turn around this rat is meeting with a radical minority group,this admins outreach seems to be limited to blacks.
    Remember Bidens secret meeting with the Union Heads in FLA behind close doors with no press allowed? It was leaked that he said something like we are here for you and will support you if you support us.No one seems to talk about that, that was before the GM takeover.

  • CPLViper

    Hopefully the gun was not legally registered and hopefully it was not an AR.

    “We’ve got to figure out a way to deal with this terrible, terrible violence,” Mr. Biden said.

    Yeah, let the American citizens that were working there have concealed carry permits and this would not have happened (or at least not to the extent it did).

  • CPLViper

    It is somewhat ironic that NY has some of the stricted gun laws and this happens on their turf.

    Maybe they should try something new. Contols don’t work because they cannot be enforced. Loosen the grip and let the people take care of it, NY.

    • reagan54

      The most recent unbiased studies (12/08) show that nations with the highest rates of gun ownership tend to have greater political and civil freedom, greater economic freedom and prosperity, and much less corruption than other nations. But then again I think I heard about a recent survey concluding that New York high school graduates cannot necessarily read.

    • Hardball1911

      Viper, send me an email so I can add you again, I saved my address book but OE isn’t letting me import it back… The minor shit in rebuilding a computer…

  • Wigpeeler

    I can see it now………….Obama reaching out for gang members to join up with his civilian defense force and they’ll be the ones coming for our guns.

    our motto: Don’t shoot till you see the gold of their teef. :mrgreen:

  • Bob

    What guns? I don’t have any guns!!!

  • ghostie alix

    weren’t you cats talking about this predictable development a while back? every time some nutjob (or plant? hmmm) does something like this, here they come after the firesticks.

  • That one dude

    Does anyone think that this shit happened on purpose?? Like someone paid that guy off to do that and it came down from higher up, say the president of the united states? Hasn’t Obongo started the so called, “war on white immigrants”? What kind of immigrants were these, it’s really odd that no one has seemed to give me any information on what kind of people were killed accept, immigrants. Biden, “These people were innocently gunned down and were trying to become abiding citizens of the United States”. Ok, if this doesn’t sound like some sort of coniving plea, “citizens need to stand up and end this sense less violence” then I don’t know what is. These people are slowly turning us against each other. :sad:

  • Fred

    Well, I guess it’s time for me to claim that I lost my guns on a fishing trip. Oooops, they’re at the bottom of a lake. I forget which one.

    Meanwhile it’s time to look for creative ways to hide my guns and ammo. Ways that even ground imaging technology cannot defeat.

    • Ivan the Kafir

      but what if you need them in a pinch?

  • unkaglen

    Once again it is the guns fault and not the shooters.
    Once again a Politician distorts the facts to fit his agenda.
    Once again a conceled carrier could have saved many lives.
    Once again if you want mine,come and get’em,I’ll give’em to ya LEAD FIRST………. :gun: :gun:

    • dilly

      Great points unk. They always blame the gun like it has a personality and a MO. All they needed was one well armed security guard to minimize the damage.

  • dilly

    Man, Biden is such a windbag, someone needs to slap the shit out of his smug face :razz:

  • dogbert41

    More gun bans? Bring it. It will be the last thing they ever do before the lot of them defy gravity under trees.

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