89 Year Old Nazi Accused Of 29,000 Counts Of Accessory To Murder, Deported To Germany

May 12th, 2009 (26) Posted By Erik Wong.

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CLEVELAND – Deported by the United States, retired autoworker John Demjanjuk was carried in a wheelchair onto a jet that departed Monday evening for Germany, which wants to try him as an accessory to the murders of Jews and others at a Nazi death camp in World War II.

Demjanjuk, 89, arrived in an ambulance at Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport after spending several hours with U.S. immigration officials at a downtown federal building. Airport commissioner Khalid Bahhur confirmed Demjanjuk was on the plane and that its destination is Germany.

The deportation came four days after the U.S. Supreme Court refused to consider Demjanjuk’s request to block deportation and about 3 1/2 years after he was last ordered deported.

The Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk (pronounced dem-YAHN’-yuk) is wanted on a Munich arrest warrant that accuses him of 29,000 counts of accessory to murder as a guard at the Sobibor death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. The legal case spans three decades.

A German Justice Ministry spokesman, Ulrich Staudigl, said the retired autoworker was expected to be in Germany by Tuesday.

Demjanjuk denies Germany’s accusations, saying he was held by the Germans as a Soviet prisoner of war and was never a camp guard. Demjanjuk’s family fought deportation, arguing he is in poor health and might not survive the trans-Atlantic journey.

Rabbi Marvin Hier, a founder of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, said Demjanjuk deserves to be punished and that this will probably be the last trial of someone accused of Nazi war crimes.

“His work at the Sobibor death camp was to push men, women and children into the gas chamber,” Hier said in a statement. “He had no mercy, no pity and no remorse for the families whose lives he was destroying.”

The center was established to locate and help bring to justice Nazi war criminals.

The deportation capped a day in which Demjanjuk said goodbye to his family and was visited by two priests at his home in Seven Hills, a Cleveland suburb.

He then slipped quietly into an ambulance parked in his driveway, his family members standing at the edge of the garage and holding up a floral-patterned bedsheet to block the view of reporters and photographers across the street.

Earlier Monday, his son, John Demjanjuk Jr., said an appeal in a U.S. court would go ahead even if his father isn’t in the country.

“Given the history of this case and not a shred of evidence that he ever hurt one person let alone murdered anyone anywhere, this is inhuman even if the courts have said it is lawful,” Demjanjuk Jr. said.

Also Monday, a Berlin court rejected an appeal aimed at preventing deportation.

Once in Germany, Demjanjuk will be brought before a judge and formally charged. He will also be given the opportunity to make a statement to the court, in keeping with standard procedure, Staudigl said.

Demjanjuk is expected to be held in the medical unit of a Munich prison. The government has said preparations have been made at the facility to ensure he will receive appropriate care.

The case dates to 1977 when the Justice Department moved to revoke Demjanjuk’s U.S. citizenship, alleging he hid his past as a Nazi death camp guard.

Demjanjuk had been tried in Israel after accusations surfaced that he was the notorious “Ivan the Terrible” at the Treblinka death camp in Poland. He was found guilty in 1988 of war crimes and crimes against humanity, a conviction overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court.

A U.S. judge revoked his citizenship in 2002 based on U.S. Justice Department evidence showing he concealed his service at Sobibor and other Nazi-run death and forced-labor camps.

An immigration judge ruled in 2005 he could be deported to Germany, Poland or Ukraine. Munich prosecutors issued an arrest warrant for him in March. (AP)

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  • alex

    now i wonder why soros wont be next? :evil:

  • http://bb.bbboy.net/themainepatriotboard Poe

    Odd that they would pick him back up after the 88 overturning.

    Israelis were not forgiving when it came to trying these guys, odd that they would have missed something.

  • That one dude

    Ok, his son sounds like he has a distorted russian accent. Even if he did kill those people how can they prove that he did? This’s obsurd the man’s 89 years old he shouldn’t be flown around the world if his condition is that bad just to be thrown in jail for something he might not have done. Are they seriously going to put an 89 year old in prison for the rest of his life if he is charged?

    Fuck, this guy was already accused back in 77′ and stood trial in 88` and still the charges didn’t stick. Why the hell are they still going after this man? What possible motive is there? WWII was 64 years ago, let it go. Look it has been 4 years since they took away his citizenship and NOW FINALLY they deport him.

    That rabbi is fucking out of his dumb little pee brain. Maybe he deserved to be punished when we wasn’t 89 years old so he could rot in jail or killed by firing squad. What happened to due process? The man is being thrown in jail for something he might not have done. If they couldn’t prove back then that he did it, then that is that.

    This is the craziest and most liberal shit I have seen Europe do in a while. I don’t believe that the infantryman should be charged anyways. They were following orders, plain and simple. It was the crazy idea of Hitler’s. The only people who should be charged in my book are all of the Commanders and Hitler. If you didn’t do what they said, you died and I don’t think those people wanted that. That’s why there’s self preservation written in our DNA.

    • That one dude

      The worst thing about this whole fucked up mess is that, they’re not giving him a trial. They’re putting him in jail. He’s being treated like a damn animal. Even the Isreali’s back in 88` gave him a trial. There is something more to this, something isn’t right. I think that center for finding Nazi war criminals has something to do with it. How does information just spring up out of now where? How could the Isreali’s miss such important info?

      All the people that could have potentially killed Jews back then in that time are either around his age or dead. This man should be dying in his home with his family, whether or not he did do it. He’s is too fucking old and it’s such a waste of money to incarcerate a person that old. It’s not even worth it. He is going to die soon. I feel bad for his family because they won’t be able to be with him when it comes.

  • Jonny Mordant

    Sooner or later God’ll cut you down…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJssc7W8U00

    If this is indeed the last, then Simon Wiesenthal was only four years short of seeing his work completed…

    • That one dude

      if there is a God, God will send him to hell. that should be his punishment. do you really believe this is right?

    • Jonny Mordant

      One Dude,

      Well, I am admittedly a bit biased against Auto Workers… lol!

      And yes, I believe God will deal with him if he hasn’t already made his peace with God… Still, he remains accountable to his victims and their families… This was not just a soldier doing his job on a battlefield “Demjanjuk admitted that the scar under his armpit was an SS tattoo, which he removed after the war. During the trial, Demjanjuk was again identified on the photo spread by Otto Horn, a former Nazi guard at Treblinka.”

      Yes, he was acquitted in the first case (IN ISRAEL), but that acquittal has no bearing on this new case (IN MUNICH)… The new charges are for entirely different murders that occurred at entirely different concentration camps (This isn’t a case of double jeopardy).

      His conviction was overturned by the Israeli Supreme court Because “The principal allegation was that Demjanjuk was “Ivan Grozny” or “Ivan the Terrible” of Treblinka, who operated the diesel engines sending gas to the death chamber.”…

      …”The court judgment also addressed evidence against Demjanjuk that was not included in his indictment. The judges agreed that Demjanjuk most likely served as a Nazi Wachmann (guard) in the Trawniki unit and had been posted at Sobibor and two other camps. Evidence to assist this claim included a certificate from Trawniki bearing Demjanjuk’s picture and his exact personal information — allegedly found in the Soviet archives — in addition to German documents that mentioned Wachmann Demjanjuk and mentioned his date and place of birth. Statements of another Wachmann (Denilchenko), both in 1949 and again in 1979, identified Demjanjuk as the Wachmann who served with him at Sobibor. Demjanjuk’s Trawniki certificate also implies that he served at Sobibor, as do the German orders of March 1943 posting the Trawniki unit to this area.”

      So, No I wont be losing any sleep over his going to trial, who knows, he may even get acquitted again!

    • That one dude

      Even if you did do something like this and you have made you peace with God something bad can still happen to you. It’s the luck of the draw or what I like to call, Karma. God doesn’t need to be involved in this conversation. Men are seperate from God, like it should be. Keep him out of this.

      Yes, he is accountable for that, if he did it. My argument still stands: If the Isreali’s couldn’t charge him then why now? It happened to those peoples relatives and THEY couldn’t even make anything stick. So, whats the point?

      These documents were allegedly found in some old soviet archieves? And some guy who implied that he worked with him? are you serious? so your running on alligations and implications for a trial and you agree with it? You basically have speculation there and nothing more. That is not what you want for a case.

      Alright they could be giving him a trial it wasn’t stated in the article or news reel, which they should have so I could better understand.

      Seriously though, if he is sentenced what is he gonna be able to serve, maybe 5 years? gimmie a fucking break, that is totally irrational. Complete waste of my money, europes money, and your money. This man should be dying with his family.

      Like I said before there are pieces here that are missing, there is something more to this. These charges have obviously appeared from the damn clear blue sky because the Isreali’s couldn’t get all of it. One would think that the Isreali’s would be able to produce ALL information to put him away or to death in 88`. It was there people who he may have helped kill. Wouldn’t they want to put him away? I believe they would.

      If there is a God let him sort him out.

    • That one dude

      I’m not losing sleep over this bs, I am just stating a plain argument.

    • Jonny Mordant

      OK, you’ve proven your distaste for abstract thought and utter lack of knowledge about the case you so strongly play devils advocate to defend…

      I suspect if this was Hitler himself you’d be crying rivers because he’s an old man and your “self designed” sense of morality is seen by you as far superior to that of our forefathers… We are a Nation of Laws, Laws taken explicitly from the Bible and placed in our Constitution for every citizen to follow… There is no Statute of Limitations on Murder because certain Crimes require Justice (Look at Drew Petersen, if they let him go it would set the example for other sick fucks that if he can get away with it then anyone can! Repeatedly!)… Fuck That! Justice is foundational to our Nation and God provides us some consolation that Justice will be served if not in our imperfect system, then in his perfection…(Did I mention that Justice is also foundational to Christianity?)…

      What about the “OLD MEN” OR the “CHILDREN” that this admitted SS Guard “Allegedly” murdered?… Were they shown this mercy you’re so proud of? Do you even consider them? In my faith, Christ alone provides the sacrifice that justice requires, concerning eternity (that still holds no True Christian above the laws in this life, if Demjanjuk was a True Christian, I suspect he would take his medicine like a man or have faith that God would keep him through the false accusations… Obviously he has no faith in God or His hand in the Justice System)…

      Look, I don’t know if he’s guilty or not… I have at least looked at all the evidence I could find before drawing my conclusion… You on the other hand have ignored all the major/key “FACTS” that I provided for you (both for and against him)… This suggests that you are coming from a pre-conceived notion that you know everything (I’ve done it myself, We all have, I understand)…

      This much I can assure you, Demjanjuk is sitting in a cell in Munich thanking “GOD” you are not his attorney… ’cause if you were, he’d have swung sweet chariots like Saddam Hussein by now!

      :shock:

  • FLINT89

    Is there any evidence? I mean if there’s no evidence then he may have very well been a captured Soviet Soldier. Him being a Commie doesn’t mean he’s a Nazi. Fuck, the Soviets hated Nazis more than Nazis hated Jews.

    However there’s still inconsistencies. I mean if he was a Soviet Soldier, why wasn’t he just shot on the spot when he surrendered?

    All I say is, show us the evidence.

  • http://www.okiepatriot.blogspot.com Greywolfe

    Flint89, that’s what the trial in Germany will do. Lay it all out. If he is, indeed, “Ivan the terrible” then I hope his end is painful and long. Hell I hope they put him on bypass to make it last longer.

    If not, then he should be given an apology by the German government and returned home in first class. That One Dude, come on already, he’s getting a trial. They aren’t just throwing him in Prison and losing the key. Even here, if you are arrested and ill, you go to jail and stay in the infirmary. It’s no different in Germany. Other than police brutality is much harder to prove there.

    • Jonny Mordant

      This is a confusing case (The Diaspora of Nazi’s after WW2 was designed to be confusing for this very reason)… let me clarify if I can…

      They aren’t claiming he’s “Ivan the Terrible” of Treblinka, that was the case that Israel overturned… The confusion that he was Ivan The Terrible was why Israel overturned the case…

      Israel said that they knew he committed murders at Treblinka, but they had to acquit him because they tried him as the wrong person (It was a technicality).

      So, no he can’t be re-tried on charges at Treblinka…

      That has no bearing on the case in Munich on charges for murders at “Sorbibor”… He has admitted to being an SS Guard… The evidence shows that he was stationed at Treblinka, Sorbibor and (I don’t remember off hand the other death camp).

      Clear as mud yet? :???:

  • Xcrypto

    He was a member of the SS … enough said, hang-em high.

  • T Double Dash

    A nazi deported by our own homeland security nazis, the nazis invented homeland security afterall.

  • WestCoastGirl

    Better late than never. If he is guilty of course he should be sent to prison for his horrendous crimes against humanity. I don’t care if he is 110 years old…he should still be sentenced the same as a younger man. If he did what they are saying he did pay back is a bitch.

  • Tom in CO

    Is Ahmadinejad paying for this guy’s lawyer? Conversely, I hope he’s paying attention here!

  • rise up

    i dont agree westcoast, sorry, we have bigger issues than something 60 odd years ago, let sleeping dogs lay, everything is good now, familys our okay, jews are no longer being prosucuted, everythings gone and over with. just let it go for damn sake.

    • That one dude

      Yes, fucken A thatnk you some one who agrees with me. This is ridiculous. If you couldn’t charge him then why now? IF these are new charges where the hell did they come from? Was he at 2 seperate camps? Money is being wasted here on a trial that should have taken place some 60 years ago. let the fucken shit go. This rabbi is just out for blood because he plainly wants to put an 89 year old man in prison.

    • WestCoastGirl

      I agree we have plenty of other big issues to deal with, but I can promise you that if you are a family member of one of those who were killed at that camp, this is a BIG issue for you. You would want justice and Jews are still being prosecuted…maybe not rounded up and put into camps, but Israel is under attack all of the time and antisemitism is very much alive.

    • That one dude

      ya, I agree with what you said. The man is on his death bed, from what his family and the news media said he is dying and probably fast. If he did it he has had to live with it all of his life. if that isn’t torture I don’t know what is.

    • That one dude

      Westcoast, how do you know that those people want him put away? They have already tried. They have also probably forgiven everyone that has done it because Jews are usually pretty damn good people. I don’t think they’re going to be holding a 64 year old grudge on a man that’s 89.

      Plus they know if they couldn’t put him away then why try now? They already did try. And it’s quite unusual that it’s not the Isreali’s that are prosecuting him now. And it’s even more unusual that the Isreali’s didn’t produce this information. It came from the U.S

      Don’t promise something like that because you don’t know and are you even jewish?

    • WestCoastGirl

      Dude
      No, I’m not Jewish. But I’ve lived in Beverly Hills where the majority of my good friends were, and yes, they are good people. Some would want him prosecuted, while I’m sure others would feel the way you do.

      I still stand by IF he did the crime he should pay. I don’t care how old he is. It is my understanding that the trial in Munich will be on different charges than the ones the Israeli’s brought against him.

    • ambika

      i understand your feelings, but this is not an issue of a 60 year old art heist or some other non-violent crime, this was one of the worst atrocities in modern history.

      there are still holocaust survivors living today. do you think they are okay? im sure if you were haunted by the nightmarish experiences they had to witness (the cold blooded murders of women, children and elderly, not to mention these people losing their families) you’d be pretty far from “okay.” things would not be “good.”

      there is one issue i have with this trial though. is there any kind of evidence to indicate his behavior as a guard? like another poster said, as a nazi soldier, you didn’t disobey orders. he could have been horrified by what was going on, but what could he do about it? on the other hand, he may have been cold blooded and actually murdered people himself.

      i wonder what his feelings are now about what occurred.. to hell with him if he actually was a willing murderer. sorry for his family, but so many children were separated from their parents. so many watched their parents die..

  • Fluffy

    What’s the statute of limitations on murder? If there is one for the slaughter of Jews in World War II, should there be one for 9/11? Assuming Bin Laden is still alive, how long does he have to elude capture before you’ll decide that it’s time to ‘let it go’?

  • Peace Trooper

    let it go???

    29,000 counts of murder, and you want to let it go?

    stand up when they kill the jews, others may stand for you when it’s your turn