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Breaking: Supreme Court Says It’s Okay For Illegals To Use Fake Social Security Numbers



May 4, 2009 20 Comments ›› Pat Dollard

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday limited federal prosecutors’ use of an identity theft law against undocumented workers with phony identification numbers, including many who had been picked up in immigration raids.

A unanimous court said the law that Congress adopted in 2004 to crack down on identity thieves requires that prosecutors be able to prove that defendants knew they were using ID numbers that belonged to real people.

Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the court, said intent is often easy to prove in what he called classic identity theft.
“Where a defendant has used another person’s information to get access to that person’s bank account, the government can prove knowledge with little difficulty,” Breyer said.

But, as in the case decided Monday, prosecutors have been using the law against workers who needed false documents to obtain employment.

The law calls for a mandatory two-year prison term, and has been used to persuade people to plead guilty to lesser immigration charges and accept prompt deportation.

There was no evidence that Ignacio Carlos Flores-Figueroa, an undocumented worker from Mexico, knew that he was using Social Security and alien registration numbers that belonged to others when he was arrested in 2006.

Flores-Figueroa, while acknowledging he used false documents, appealed his conviction on the identity theft charge.

The government argued that prosecutors do not have to offer any proof that a defendant knew the identification belonged to someone else and was not simply made up.

The high court rejected that argument Monday.

The case is Flores-Figueroa v. U.S., 08-108.

(AP)


  • unkaglen

    Clarence Thomas went along with this shit? Identity theft is fine as long as it is commited by an illegal? Bend the law to fit your agenda? Give me a break! Get ready,cause I’m telling you the shit is fixn’ to hit the fan.This madness cannot continue.Their is going to be hell to pay. We the people are not going to put up with this crap any longer……….. :mad: :mad: :gun: :gun:

  • PatriotofPast(Thomas)

    UN FUCKIN BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What Laws do We Americans Follow?
    Sorry, I’m confused. :shock:

  • Scoot

    Well, we now have the Supreme Court following the far left’s wishes. I wonder how much they are getting paid to sell out our country?

  • Buzz Bannister

    :twisted:

  • BTJoe112

    The government argued that prosecutors do not have to offer any proof that a defendant knew the identification belonged to someone else and was not simply made up.
    Why would to government argue against this? WTF is going on?

  • joy

    The only way for this train wreck to be stopped, is for all states or a majority suceed from the Union of the United States. In doing so, form a new country and adopt the Constitution that was written by our fore fathers, that Obama and company are shreeding as we speak. Within a new government we would form, have laws pertaining to elected office holders, as to where we could remove them if they created laws contrary to the Constitution. This would leave Usurper Obama without a country to rule. In retrospect, we could enact term limits on all office holders, including the Supreme Court.

    • Lone Wolf

      Unlikely. I think the only thing that can now rein in the golem of our federal government is a military coup, massive armed insurrection and attrition of federal LEO’s, and cutting off its funding along with the refusal of the states to provide troops. When the power of our glorious leaders is truly threatened they will lash out with every weapon at their disposal to preserve their continuing acquisition of power. This is going to get ugly, and there’s a good chance we won’t be able to put them back in their box – peacefully or otherwise. Achieving it will require maximum effort from all Patriots who love what this country used to be.

  • MinneSoCold

    Awesome! So I can falsify my identity now to avoid taxes and get free credit. Tax SCOTUS! No that’s what I call a stimulus plan!

    • MinneSoCold

      err… THX SCOTUS!

    • usmctanks

      NOPE….you can’t you’re not illegal. Obambi announced today that he wants 600 new IRS agents to stop the dirty American citizens (I’m sure it only applies to right wing extremists)from cheating on their taxes..!!! Illegals cost my state 7 BILLION A YEAR in services alone just for their children ! Is he going after that money ????? NOPE!! WHY??? Because that his new voting block….25 to 30 million strong and willing to vote a for more handouts every election…..
      I hope for a military coup everyday! Then my bumper sticker will come true….it says ” The day the revolution starts EVERYBODY with an obama sticker die’s “. They seem to be getting harder to find…..lol :gun: :gun:

    • MinneSoCold

      Damn, you’re right tanks. :evil: where can I get one of those bumper stickers?! :twisted:

  • jasjfarrell

    The prosecutors had to prove the defendant knew who the identification belonged to and that he intended to steal it. Apparently the defendant used false identification but didn’t know who it belonged to or even that it was a real identity.

    All this does is clarify the existing law and that prosecutors are going to have to look for some other law that may have been broken when someone uses false identification.

  • http://patdollard.com Joe Average

    :arrow: ALL
    This proves there is NO LONGER an American Government for the People.

    ALL OF WASHINGTON IS ANTI-CONSTITUTION….. Another Line in the Sand.

  • Scott

    The apparently requires that the suspect “knowingly” stole a specific persons identity, which would mean that the prosecutor was misusing the charge. I am sure there are plenty of other laws to charge this guy with. Maybe providing false information to a Law Enforcement officer, obstruction of justice, various immigration law violations, falsifying documents etc.

    • Phil Byler

      Correct. That’s why the conservatives on the Court went along with the ruling.

  • streeter

    BT, the reporter phrased that poorly, and seeing that it is an AP reporter, it may have been done intentionally.
    The prosecutors argument would be that by engaging in the illegal act of obtaining false identity papers you assume the risk that those papers may not be just invented, but actually belong to someone else. You would not have to know that it was a stolen rather than false I.D., just that it could be.

    The most disturbing thing here is that this was a unanimous decision. Even the conservatives found for the defense.
    I will go read Breyer’s ruling and see if there are any concurrences from.

    Basically this says that if the crook you’re buying the illegal documents from says that the identity is not someone else’s, you can rely on that.

    No one sent me the memo after law school that there is this new theory of “Criminal Warranty”.

    I hope one of the conservative justices wrote a concurring opinion so I can get an idea why they would go along with this.

    Now I am going to go get some false papers identifying me as U.S. Senator Richard Sucker; I hope there’s not already one. Oh, wait…

  • streeter

    I was wrong, the government’s argument was lame. I’m not even going to get into it.
    The trial and appellate courts were wrong and you should blame a lame-ass legislature for this one.

    Breyer wrote a painful-to-read opinion. Luckily Scalia summed up nicely in a concurrence.

    “it is one thing to infer the common-law tradition of mens rea (criminal knowledge) requirement where congress has not addressed the mental element of a crime. It is something else to expand a mens rea requirement that the statutory text has carefully limited.”

    This one’s on congress.

  • Duke04

    Senor Flores-Figueroa bought a “Pick Four” lottery ticket and hit for $56,000. Because he didn’t have a legitimate SSN, he didn’t have to pay any taxes. He took the cash, applied for an SBA loan, using his phony ID papers, which was pushed through because he is a Latino, and he now runs a school for illegals teaching them how to operate Grasshopper mowers and backpack leaf blowers.

    He still doesn’t pay any taxes, contributes to all Democrat causes and laughs at all the damned fools who don’t know how to beat the system.

  • GRIZZ

    As I sit here,enjoying the fruits of my labor,my govt is selling away my rights as an American citizen.I hate to see this come to an end.Better to die and kill for something so sacred as GOD given freedom,than to have it taken away from uncalloused hands.GRIZZ welcomes the heathen.I will breathe your dead essencee and revel in you death.

  • fas76

    We no longer have Law Enforcement to protect U.S. citizens,It is now time We The People enforce The Law. :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: