GOP: “Cap And Trade A Declaration Of War”

May 3rd, 2009 (14) Posted By ticticboom.

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Cap and Trade a ‘Declaration of War,’ Say Republicans
Friday, May 01, 2009
By Josiah Ryan, Staff Writer
CNSNews

(CNSNews.com) – The congressional Democrats’ cap-and-trade plan to tax carbon emissions could cost every American family as much as $3,100 a year and is equivalent to a “declaration of war on the Midwest,” Republican lawmakers told CNSNews.com this week.

But Democrats disputed the Republicans’ cost figure and said the plan can be accomplished without imposing a net cost on the American people.

In general, under cap and trade, the amount of carbon that energy producers emit is capped. They can exceed that cap through the purchase, i.e., “trade,” of carbon permits. The money for those permits would be collected by the government and presumably redistributed under a system still being crafted.

“The reality is the cap-and-trade legislation offered by the Democrats amounts to an economic declaration of war on the Midwest by liberals on Capitol Hill,” Chairman of the House Republican Conference Mike Pence (R-Ind.) told CNSNews.com.

“We are going to increase costs on every American with this plan — and the other thing we need to keep in mind is the millions of American jobs we are going to put at risk if we impose this new tax on American industry when our competitors around the world will not,” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) told CNSNews.com in a press conference on Thursday. “It’s pretty clear.”

Both Pence and Boehner have said they estimate that, in total, the Democrats’ cap-and-trade legislation could cost each American family up to $3,100 a year. While lawmakers are still finalizing a cap-and-trade bill, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) recently introduced the draft of the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009.

According to Boehner’s office, the $3,100 number is based on a Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) study released earlier this year that examined cap-and-trade legislation from 2007. Republicans believe the new legislation for 2009, in its final form, will be similar to the 2007 bill.

“We took MIT’s own estimate of a key cap-and-trade bill from the 110th Congress (S. 309), cosponsored by then-Senator Obama, that said S. 309 would generate $366 billion in revenues in 2015,” Boehner’s office told CNSNews.com. “We took MIT’s own number – $366 billion – and divided that by the number of U.S. households. … Using this formula, you get roughly $3,000 per household.”

But Democrats deny their legislation will cost the taxpayers anywhere near that much money, and some said the legislation’s goals it can be achieved with no net cost to the taxpayer. Further, one of the MIT study’s author’s disagreed with the Republicans’ interpretation of the costs.

“That is nearly 10 times the correct estimate, which is approximately $340,” wrote MIT Prof. John Reilly, one of the authors of the disputed report, in an Apr. 1 letter to Boehner.

In reference to the $3,100 figure, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, said, “That’s not true at all.”

“In fact, the Environmental Projection Agency estimate says that it will be about $40 or $50 per family per year,” Waxman told CNSNews.com.

Waxman was referencing an EPA study of a “discussion draft” of the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009, the Waxman-Markey plan.

“They [Republicans] are taking research and wildly misrepresenting it,” Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), chairman of the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, told CNSNews.com. “It is not true remotely.”

Blumenauer and Reilly also said that Republicans are not taking into account the point that the federal government plans to return to the American people part of the money paid by corporations for the right to release carbon into the atmosphere — and that the government also plans to provide Americans with goods and services funded by the cap-and-trade program.

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee (AP Photo)
“They are misrepresenting research and it assumes that this money is not going back to communities,” Blumenauer told CNSNews.com. “Part of it will come right back to individual families, part of it will be used to strengthen the environment. … We want some of it to be spent to help communities with issues of transportation, the natural environment, energy conservation. There are lots of things here that are going to come right back to individuals and their communities.”

“It is very likely that the net cost when we are done with this is going to be a net positive cost because we already waste more energy than any country in the world,” he said.

“I have the idea that they [the American public] should lose nothing,” Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Committee on Ways and Means, told CNSNews.com. “If you are in the tax system, you should be reimbursed. If you are not in the tax system, it could be a check every month.”

In his letter to Boehner, Prof. Reilly wrote, “We assumed in the analysis we did that the revenue is returned to households.” Reilly also noted that the cap-and-trade plan would reduce the number of jobs in fossil fuel industries, such as the coal, natural gas, and oil industries.

“The higher energy prices encourage reductions in energy use by increasing the payback on improvements in energy efficiency, and through such investments households can avoid paying more for energy,” wrote Reilly. “Jobs and wages in fossil fuel industries are likely to decline but job opportunities will increase in industries that produce alternative energy sources or that provide ways to save energy.”

Republicans who spoke with CNSNews.com defended their $3,100 estimate and argued that it is unlikely that money going through the hands of the federal government will make it back intact to the taxpayers.

“Anyone who thinks you can pay $3,100 to the federal government and thinks you can get that money back completely in services — like I said — he may go to M-I-T but he is an N-U-T.,” Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) told CNSNews.com.

“No, there is no chance this will not add to the net cost for taxpayers,” he said.

“This MIT study was pretty clear in terms of what this professor thought on the costs,” Boehner told CNSNews.com.

Republicans were also quick to note that, while on the campaign trail last year, President Obama himself predicted energy prices would skyrocket under a cap-and-trade program.

On Jan. 17, 2008, Obama was interviewed by the San Francisco Chronicle and he said: “You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know, under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”

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  • unkaglen

    It’s nice the Repubs gave us no option at election time when it comes to this madness.McLame was all over this crap just like Obambi.

  • GRIZZ

    Insanity.

  • Steve in NC

    ““Anyone who thinks you can pay $3,100 to the federal government and thinks you can get that money back completely in services — like I said — he may go to M-I-T but he is an N-U-T.,” Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) told CNSNews.com.

    “No, there is no chance this will not add to the net cost for taxpayers,” he said.”

    :arrow: Even if all of it could go back to the public in services, it is redistribution of wealth.
    The fact that Republicans do not make not of that blatant fact means they still have their heads up their asses.

    It is good that they are getting a little more grit in their opposition of the marxists, but they still have a long way to go.

    • Steve in NC

      “make note of” (I noticed my keyboard is starting to drop the letter ‘e’)

    • Randy

      Steve, I don’t think its your keyboard. Under one of Obama’s outlandish plans, All “e’s” are being removed from keyboards. Once this new plan is fully introduced, “U” and “I” will also be removed.

    • aboutTObegin

      just another form of Socialism!!! AMERICA is being attacked on ALL fronts people!!!! from the 1st Amendment all the way to the 10th !!!!!! seems the WH is doing this so no one can focus on just one topic and they will be able to impose their will on the people!!!! stop this before its too late!!!!! how you ask? get out there and get in all of Congress’ face and the WH administrations face and let them know…be relentless!

      -aTb

  • YERMOM

    well sounds like it is time for states to start telling the monkey king to back the fuck up and step off.

    • Paslode

      Many of our State officals are on the dole as well, and looking to make the jump to DC for fame and most notibly $$$fortune$$$. So they will suckle from the tit of the DC Sow to get their reward.

      Until a few get Tar and Feathered I don’t see much happening. :roll:

  • Paslode

    If you happen to live in the Midwest were we use coal your going to get screwed. Sunflower Energies CEO stated on WIBW Radio in Topeka that rates would ‘DOUBLE’. So I could actually plan on paying an additional 3k to 4k per year……. :mad:

    It won’t be long and we’ll all be back to horse, buggy, a camp fire and chucking spears. But I betcha Zero will still be eating high on the Hog.

  • Fred

    You cannot perfume the stink of this. It is based upon fraudulent science that has been copious debunked.

    We should not be basing economic policy on energy policy on bad science. In a rational society, this would get nowhere, because the people and their elected representatives would laugh this out of town. But we have dumb citizens and corrupt politicians greedy for tax revenues – a very bad combination.

    But this is what the sheeple voted for. Let them eat this shit sandwich and savor it. It will teach the sheeple a good lesson.

  • Hawkerdriver(Pisson the Koran)

    :arrow: It won’t be long and we’ll all be back to horse, buggy, a camp fire and chucking spears. But I betcha Zero will still be eating high on the Hog.

    You might be right on the first part,but the usurper will be eating flown in pizza instead.Jihadi don’t eat hog,high or otherwise.

  • Fred

    Hundreds of windmills and solar panels cannot compete with the megawattage of a new nuclear power plant. We should be building more nukes.

    Instead, we get this stupidity.

  • Sully

    YO Boehner and Pence… this war started in 2005 when Dems adopted their ‘ends justifies the means’ scorched earth election strategy.
    Worked so well they got an actual Marxist thug in the White House.
    WAKE THE FUCK UP!

    • aboutTObegin

      and do something NOW people!!!! fuck I wish I was back in the States!!!

      -aTb