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“Even The French Must Think We’re Nuts”: Once Detroit Is Forced To Build These Cars, Americans Will Not Buy Them, At Any Price



May 20, 2009 19 Comments ›› Pat Dollard

Obama Autos

Wall Street Journal:

At the end of his Rose Garden explanation yesterday of the new U.S. fuel-efficiency standards, President Obama remarked on the good that can be accomplished when we are “working together.” The President may be getting ahead of himself. Watching the unlikely coalition arrayed behind him as Mr. Obama committed the U.S. to an astonishing passenger-car mileage average of 39 miles per gallon by 2016, it looks truer to say we are merely standing together in this adventure, for better or worse.

Mr. Obama’s fleet-mileage partners yesterday included the two auto companies that have fallen into his arms, Chrysler and GM, still-independent Ford, the major foreign manufacturers, United Auto Workers chief Ron Gettelfinger, and beaming representatives from the Sierra Club, Environmental Defense Fund and the Union of Concerned Scientists.

All that’s left to arrive at the President’s new destination for the American way of driving are huge, unanswered questions about technology, financing and the marketability of cars that will be small and expensive.

Start with technology. The President’s proposed standards would raise fuel economy goals higher and faster than even the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration believes is practical. Last year, NHTSA issued a proposed rule making that would have raised fuel economy to 32.2 mpg by 2015 for cars and light trucks combined. Its 376-page report notes that “the resources used to meet overly stringent CAFE standards . . . would better be allocated to other uses such as technology research and development, or improvements in vehicle safety.”

The new U.S. fleet will almost certainly be made up of hybrids and electric cars. This comports with the explicit intention of the President and his environmental partners to back out fossil fuels. One may ask: Once Detroit is forced to build these cars, will free Americans want to buy them, at any price?

Unless we outlaw the bigger cars that recent sales figures have shown Americans prefer any time gas prices fall below $4 per gallon, Detroit will need help marketing these small vehicles. As GM’s Bob Lutz put it not long ago, “Very few people will want to change what has been their ‘nationality given’ right to drive big and bigger if the price of gas is $1.50 or $2 or even $2.50. Those prices will put the CAFE-mandated manufacturers at war with their customers.”

All solutions to this problem flow from Washington. One would be to give substantial tax subsidies to buyers. Another would be to impose a federal gas tax to jack up the price of gasoline to $4 per gallon and keep it there. This is the solution that keeps Europeans driving small cars with tiny engines. High gasoline prices have become a political third rail in U.S. politics, and the Obama Administration insists it isn’t interested in subsidies or taxes.

That puts the burden back on the beleaguered auto makers. The Detroit Three already sell small cars at a loss to meet the current 27.5 mpg fleet average. The car companies may hope that if the whole industry is forced to move up the fuel-economy ladder, consumers will have no choice other than to buy these cars. But experience suggests companies that have specialized in making smaller cars, such as the Japanese-owned auto makers, are more likely to be able to sell them at a profit.

Mr. Obama said a lot yesterday about the promised benefits of all this for the environment but not much about return on investment for the auto sellers. These public goals notwithstanding, it still looks as if Ford, Chrysler and GM will be making cars they can’t sell, or can’t sell profitably. That might not be a problem if you’re now Gettelfinger Motors. But still-independent Ford has private shareholders and creditors to answer. While GM and Chrysler attempt to meet the new standards with taxpayer money, Ford will have to do so on its own.

The real carrot the Administration offered the industry yesterday was a detour from the nightmare of state-mandated standards. California has been seeking a waiver from the Administration to impose its own higher mileage standards, and a number of other states have followed suit. The Obama national proposal indeed offers the industry what he called “consistency.”

So yes, it is possible to see why this disparate group came together yesterday. The UAW may soon be the government’s partner in ownership of GM and Chrysler, and it has a strong incentive not to bite the hand feeding it a huge equity stake in the car makers. Ford and the other foreign-owned auto makers, which will have to raise private capital to make changes that U.S. taxpayers will fund at Chrysler and GM, no doubt want to maintain their political viability by not standing athwart this regulatory steamroller.

We wish these folks luck “working together” with the Obama auto-design team. One thing seems certain by 2016: Taxpayers will be paying Detroit to make the cars Americans don’t want, and then they will pay again either through (trust us) a gas tax or with a purchase subsidy. Even the French must think we’re nuts.


  • Gooddad

    There seems to be plenty beta males ready to buy.

    • That one dude

      beta? you mean alpha?

  • DoubleTap

    Yea, mine gets 50 MPG right now if I roll it off the top of a hill and don’t break for the assholes in the Prius POS speedbumps.

  • RIchard Quinn

    A customer here at the plant this week was given a Prius to drive. Got the opportunity to put 25 miles on it today. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT! If it comes down to Detroit offering only vehicles of this caliber, I’ll buy a Harley and a the best riding gear.

  • http://www.miquelon.org Miquelon

    “even the French”. Leave us alone ! What are we, your gold standard for whatever passes as weird, different, humorous?!

    ARGH

    • That one dude

      dude, take it easy you owe us a lot. if all your ancestors died in ww2 you wouldn’t be hear.

    • solomonpal

      You forgot effeminate. :lol:

    • prestonbrooks

      :neutral: French Aid during our Revolution was invaluable. We have always had our differences, but the French are our allies.

  • Firebad

    Well guess I better go ahead and plan on getting the new Ford F150 SVT raptor before they are outlawed.

  • DoubleTap

    Yup, buy a V8 before they are outlawed.

  • That one dude

    Fuck this shit, a president can’t tell people what to drive or not meaning to by creating huge taxes on non-hybrid cars. this man needs to get the fuck outa here.

  • LOTTIE

    and all the while we just talk! We have lost the fight because we only talk. Talk won’t save us we are just enabling our enemy to slowly put their plan in place and their will be no turning back! I don’t feel sorry anymore we deserve what we get!

  • USNA1985

    Well, let’s see where to start? This is typical liberal ignorance in not being able to see the forest through the trees and the unintended consequences of STUPID decisions. This is how this will play out. First, they’ll force these guy to make these cars. When no one buys them even with the ridiculous incentives that are sure to follow, or when not enough people buy them, they’ll either raise the price of gas by taxation or they will outlaw gas guzzlers, and during the next election cycle, they will be promptly voted out of office. Because you see my friends, if you look on the roads of even the bluest states, you will see more SUV’s and pick-ups, than any of these so called Eco friendly cars. This gas thing, raising the price, seems very simple on the surface, but you see friends, cars are not the only things that run on fossil based energy. So they will kill the economy when they ARTIFICIALLY raise the price of gas, then they will be promptly voted out of office. Recall my friends, it was around this time last year that the price of gas was $4+/gallon, it is my position that those people living on the edge with their mortgages could not afford to pay the mortgage and pay $300-$400 to fill up EVERY week to go to work. What’s the first thing that’s going to go, my job or my house? Well I can do without the house, I can’t do without the job!! At least not yet anyway. And no where does this situation manifest itself more than in California where the average commute is what 2-3 hours? What’s that mean in gas fellas? You see my point? While it may make those environmentalist feel good now, what they fail to understand is that the world economy currently runs on the black gold, like or not, that’s just way way it is. The other thing they do not consider is what are they going to do with all these used batteries when they start piling up at the junkyards and landfills, they don’t want to deal with nuclear, how the hell are they going to deal with the toxic batteries? So unless they plan on changing the election laws, I don’t see this ending well for the liberals and environmentals. And if they try to change election law, hell, what types of cars to build will be the least of their problems.

    • dacoelec

      Dodging bullets will be their primary concern…. :twisted:

  • Fred

    Which Wall Street investment bank was up to its eyeballs in the hedge fund business where enormous contracts in the oil futures’ markets pretty much sealed the deal on the economy and the election? Goldman Sachs. The speculators drove oil prices to levels that were designed, I think, to destroy the American car companies and wreck the economy.

    Which Wall Street investment bank gave record cash to Obonga, and is intricately tied in with the emerging carbon credit trading system? Goldman Sachs.

    I think we are seeing dominoes falling that were planned to fall several years ago. And it’s all falling in their favor too. There is no stopping this Marxist now. Central planning has now taken over the auto industry. It has already taken over the banking industry. Next up are insurance and health care.

    It’s all falling into place, gentlemen. We are losing our country right before our eyes.

    Right now I am boiling mad at those who voted for Obonga. If I could, I would urinate and defecate on them all.

  • http://www.dirtydozensbunker.com Sanders

    My Harley gets 40 mpg. I guess I must be green.

    Now, my Dodge Ram and F250 4×4′s…. :beer:

  • prestonbrooks

    :razz: HAHAHA. Who wants to buy a gay weenie car made by democrats and environmentalists. We need to dump these anti-American commies and DRILL OUR OWN OIL. I will never buy a POS Government Motors car. Anything they touch instantly turns into shit. I guarantee they won’t work worth a shit, thye’ll spend more time in the shop than on the road, and they will blow up in a 5mph collision. You union assholes priced yourselves out of jobs. Don’t come crying to the rest of us. Fuck you and your shitty union. You motherfuckers helped screw this country. You’re no different than Joe Commie.

  • IRONMIKE

    Don’t get frustrated, get ACTIVE.

  • Minuteman1

    I feel a Mad Max Road Warrior situation in the making.