Comments on: Oklahoma Paramedics & Troopers Defend Themselves Over Fight Caught On Tape http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/ The War Starts Here Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:16:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Peter http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-470492 Peter Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:21:56 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-470492 20 years ago as the dude who hired - and fired Maurice I "feel a need to comment" as well. Maurice is smart, but had anger control issues. He is also very big, (that Officer was not short). The Choke was childish And Stupid. You were right Even a little guy with free arms could have taken stupid trooper out. I know Maurice well enough to know he was trying very hard, and doing well controlling his anger. I read Maurice's report. (remember I fired him and I did not trust him) But the report was logical and fit the video. I HOPE NO ONE thinks this means Ambulances must use lights & siren. I taught Maurice better. Very few patients, especially a hysterical woman who believes she is having a heart attack need a siren. It is as effective as I.V. Adrenalin in impairing the judgment of the crew and exacerbating the condition of the patient. As an experienced health professional you establish a relationship of trust very early with your patient. Remember they dialed 911 because they and their family have a situation out of control. Only a true EMS professional who has been there really understands the tenuous connection I know he had with that very frightened woman. That is a TRUST connection. We often came into conflict with the opposite 'connection' of Mis-trust cops have with their perp. 20 years ago as the dude who hired – and fired Maurice I “feel a need to comment” as well.
Maurice is smart, but had anger control issues. He is also very big, (that Officer was not short).
The Choke was childish And Stupid. You were right Even a little guy with free arms could have taken stupid trooper out. I know Maurice well enough to know he was trying very hard, and doing well controlling his anger.
I read Maurice’s report. (remember I fired him and I did not trust him) But the report was logical and fit the video.
I HOPE NO ONE thinks this means Ambulances must use lights & siren. I taught Maurice better. Very few patients, especially a hysterical woman who believes she is having a heart attack need a siren. It is as effective as I.V. Adrenalin in impairing the judgment of the crew and exacerbating the condition of the patient.
As an experienced health professional you establish a relationship of trust very early with your patient. Remember they dialed 911 because they and their family have a situation out of control.
Only a true EMS professional who has been there really understands the tenuous connection I know he had with that very frightened woman. That is a TRUST connection.
We often came into conflict with the opposite ‘connection’ of Mis-trust cops have with their perp.

]]> By: MarineDoc http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-462187 MarineDoc Sun, 31 May 2009 13:04:27 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-462187 :arrow: DesignR Spot on!!! That is exactly how I see it. :arrow: DesignR

Spot on!!! That is exactly how I see it.

]]> By: DesignR http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-461785 DesignR Sat, 30 May 2009 21:35:14 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-461785 Oh, I just got a clear way to explain it! It's a simple case of Road Rage on the cop’s part, started by an EMT acting unprofessionally by flipping them the bird. Both parties thought they had the higher 'right' to the roadway, so a dick measuring match or if your prefer a pissing match ensued. The lady in the back of the ambulance and the person needing the police lost. In other words, the public lost, all because of a petty road 'right of way' power rivalry. Oh, I just got a clear way to explain it!

It’s a simple case of Road Rage on the cop’s part, started by an EMT acting unprofessionally by flipping them the bird. Both parties thought they had the higher ‘right’ to the roadway, so a dick measuring match or if your prefer a pissing match ensued.

The lady in the back of the ambulance and the person needing the police lost. In other words, the public lost, all because of a petty road ‘right of way’ power rivalry.

]]> By: DesignR http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-461781 DesignR Sat, 30 May 2009 21:28:08 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-461781 It's all about training and good management. There are good and bad cops. It takes time for management to find the bad ones and eject them. I think they will need to hire a couple of new ones soon. It’s all about training and good management. There are good and bad cops. It takes time for management to find the bad ones and eject them. I think they will need to hire a couple of new ones soon.

]]> By: Marc Walling http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-461628 Marc Walling Sat, 30 May 2009 16:55:40 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-461628 just another cop who thinks he is above the law...thats the sad thing about the law these days... just another cop who thinks he is above the law…thats the sad thing about the law these days…

]]> By: Marc Walling http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-461627 Marc Walling Sat, 30 May 2009 16:54:48 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-461627 HAHAHA you this is freakin stupid...there is no law that says you need to yield to Cops.... HAHAHA you this is freakin stupid…there is no law that says you need to yield to Cops….

]]> By: HobbieHawk http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-461595 HobbieHawk Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:46 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-461595 Ahhhhh, makes much more sense by your explanation Aaron. The confusion arises from the use of he term "pull over" - it has multiple meanings. Ambulance, not running code, didn't "pull over" {{as in to YIELD the highway to the Troopers}} on a call. Asshole EMT flips off troopers, whom he is blocking from their code call. Troopers "pull over" ((as in to stop the vehicle)) for failure to yield to an emergency vehicle. Ahhhhh, makes much more sense by your explanation Aaron. The confusion arises from the use of he term “pull over” – it has multiple meanings.

Ambulance, not running code, didn’t “pull over” {{as in to YIELD the highway to the Troopers}} on a call.

Asshole EMT flips off troopers, whom he is blocking from their code call.

Troopers “pull over” ((as in to stop the vehicle)) for failure to yield to an emergency vehicle.

]]> By: AARON http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-460953 AARON Fri, 29 May 2009 15:50:52 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-460953 As a former "Okie" I feel I have the right to comment on this situation. It stated that the ambulance failed to yeild to the Troopers who were on a call. This means that the Troopers were running "code" and needed to get to there call ASAP. They could have been going to save another life. The ambulance was not running "code" and should have yielded. The woman was being transported for heat exhuastion. If I were running "code" and an ambulance was not getting out of my way I would have been pissed. The Troopers have jurisdiction to run calls on the highway and within the whole state regardless of it being within the Indian Nations boundries. The OHP is one of the best trained Hp's in the country. I feel that they were justified in there action. (Not the hold around the neck.)The EMT driver clearly had an attitude. As a former “Okie” I feel I have the right to comment on this situation. It stated that the ambulance failed to yeild to the Troopers who were on a call. This means that the Troopers were running
“code” and needed to get to there call ASAP. They could have been going to save another life. The ambulance was not running “code” and should have yielded. The woman was being transported for heat exhuastion. If I were running “code” and an ambulance was not getting out of my way I would have been pissed. The Troopers have jurisdiction to run calls on the highway and within the whole state regardless of it being within the Indian Nations boundries. The OHP is one of the best trained Hp’s in the country. I feel that they were justified in there action. (Not the hold around the neck.)The EMT driver clearly had an attitude.

]]> By: MarineDoc http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-460607 MarineDoc Fri, 29 May 2009 00:50:53 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-460607 My guess is that there is more to this story that prceeds this event.  This absolutely should have been resolved/addressed after the patient had been transported. Generally there is a mutual respect between the police and fire/EMS. If emergency services does something boneheaded it is usually addressed afterwards. I have to say that I have not seen or heard of an occurrence such as this. Has anyone else?? Very odd in dead. At first I thought this was a preview of Obama's National Healthcare Enforcement Plan! :shock: My guess is that there is more to this story that prceeds this event.  This absolutely should have been resolved/addressed after the patient had been transported. Generally there is a mutual respect between the police and fire/EMS. If emergency services does something boneheaded it is usually addressed afterwards.
I have to say that I have not seen or heard of an occurrence such as this. Has anyone else??
Very odd in dead.
At first I thought this was a preview of Obama’s National Healthcare Enforcement Plan! :shock:

]]> By: mike3481 http://patdollard.com/2009/05/oklahoma-paramedics-troopers-defend-themselves-over-fight-caught-on-tape/#comment-460545 mike3481 Thu, 28 May 2009 23:21:53 +0000 http://patdollard.com/?p=75654#comment-460545 Somebody is gonna lose their job. Somebody is gonna lose their job.

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