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60 Year-Old Secret: Nazi Stealth Jet Could Have Won War For Hitler



Jun 30, 2009 18 Comments ›› Pat Dollard


  • Xavier

    The flying wing design is inherently stealthy to radar, however the maneuverability is sacrificed.

    Historically speaking stealth by design & not by accident was documented by a Russian mathematician who developed formulas to calculate the radar cross section of a 2 dimensional object.

    The Russians didn’t use it because the calculations were to large for the time before computers. Later a Lockheed Skunk Works engineer read the Russian mathematicians published work and pitched it to his boss. Lockheed ran with it and with the advent of computers the calculations could be completed and the result was the F-117.

    Northrop developed systems to determine the radar cross section of 3 dimensional objects which led to the B-2 but they used the YB-49 as a starting point. Development of the YB-49 documented the low radar cross section of the design but also the inherent instability.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-49

  • Jeff

    Hitler was too scattered to stick with one thing. He could have won world war II if he was more focused and less crazy about killing jews. Good thing he was crazy.

    • Professor Bill

      And if he would have stayed out of Russia, or at least not penetrated so far in and lost hundreds of thousands of troops in a futile, pointless exercise.

    • mike3481

      Jeff & Bill, spot on correct. :beer:

      Jeff, imagine for a moment the brain power Hitler destroyed with his “Final Solution”.

      And imagine that brain power aimed at the U.S.. :shock:

      We may have been quite lucky that Hitler was nuts.

    • FIU Alum

      He had no choice the showdown with world Communism and Stalin was inevitable.

      He had to order a massive invasion -Barbarrosa in order to strike first. Stalin’s goal was to conquer Europe and make it a Communist empire

      Hitler had him by Oct 1942. By this time Stalin’s Oil supplies were cut off north of Stalingrad on the Don River and Stalin had no way of feeding his troops or his people because Germany conquered the Ukraine 1 and a half years before.

      It was US/British Lend Lease supplies pouring in from Alaska and the Northern Soviet ports that saved the Soviets. Germany was finding US tanks and trucks and food supplies on the battlefield already by August 1941. A mere two months into the invasion

      Actually I saw a History Channel documentary that claimed Goering said at Nuremberg that if the generals had stayed with Hitlers plan of an encirlement movement of Moscow instead of a direct attack that Germany could have pulled it off by Spring 1942. The generals were the ones who wanted the frontal assault on Moscow which cost the Germans dearly.

      Who knows it’s all speculation

  • Lone Wolf

    The Germans also screwed up when they gave all of their panzer production to their heavy equipment manufacturers instead of the auto industry. Firms building specialized low production rate equipment could never master the high volume and lower quality actually required to win the war.

  • Giorgi

    hitler had ordered 4 types of tanks in prouction instead of sticking to one good design. according to many of hitlers generals, the panzer Mk.IV was most successfull design. easy to maintain, reliable, and upgradeable. but he went ahead with the panthers and tigers and king tigers. also his surface fleet was useless, with all the high quality steel used for making one pocket battleships and heavy battleships like Tirpitz and Bismark he could have fielded hundreds even thousands more of tanks that would have really made a difference in a ground war.most personal accounts regarding hitler say that he was iraatic self-centerd psycho, didnt listen to anyone, he would invite generals, but would procede to talk about his dogs vegiterian habbits and grand planning of Berlin instead of listening to his generals on how to win a war. if he heard something that didnt fit in his worldwiev he would pitch a spycho fit and even eat the carpet and throw tantrums. his generals were eventially pussies – not one had guts to pull the walther P-38 and take this sick man out of his misery, and save the germany. fuck hitler

    • Sgsaur

      Damn, sounds just like the Kenyan Wetback…

  • AFITgrad86

    The Germans had many very talented generals and scientists. Lucky for us Hitler wanted to run things on his own rather than listening to the experts. He never got the concept of delegating. Kind of like Obama.

  • FIU Alum

    The point of the post is the German technological genius.

    When the US and British arrived in May 1945 they were shocked to discover Germany was 20 years ahead of the world in Rocket Propulsion, Fiberoptics, Synthetic Fuels, Rubber etc a huge long list of items.

    How else do you think we got to the moon? Also this is why you see “flying saucer” reports starting in 1947. It was all German WW2 technology that was being tested in Nevada and Arizona

    40,000 Patents in all were stolen

    We actually copied the German idea of keeping the military constantly upgraded and active which in turn boosts the country’s domestic technological curve and places said country far ahead of everyone esle.

    This was a German idea that was “borrowed”

    Kudos to us in America for seeing this and going with it.

  • B. Verner

    Don’t forget one of the ultimate ironies of WWII – many of the brilliant scientists responsible for the atomic bomb (Einstein, Oppenheimer, etc) were German jews chased out of Germany by Hitler.

  • maggiew

    Hitler fubar’d big time.
    And the stealth jet is no secret. The japanese
    were working on a similar jet.

    Here’s a link towards the two allies efforts.
    http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/Overview

  • Charles

    It’s a mistake to label the Horton designed ‘flying wing’ as a stealth design. It’s purpose was to achieve a very long combat radius; any stealthy capability was a biproduct of it’s primary purpose: hitting the US directly from Germany,(keep in mind that radar was in it’s infancy during WWII). The Nazi’s wanted to deliver an atomic device over NYC and the Horton brothers were attempting to design an aircraft with a 10,000 mile combat radius; sufficient to attack NYC and certainly unheard of 60 years ago.

    Xavier, while you’re factually correct in that a Russian scientist, Petr Ufimtsev, initially developed the equations that Lockheed would later use in developing “Have Blue”, his work was conducted in the early ’60s, 20+ years after the Horton brothers had successfully flown their flying wing. Furthermore, the Soviets dismissed Ufimtsev’s work, not because mother Russia lacked the computational hardware, but because they lacked the foresight to realize it’s value and thus ‘allowed’ it to be published. An American engineer, Kelly Johnson, unencumbered by bureaucratic shortsightedness, realized it’s value and the rest, as they say, is history.

    • Xavier

      A fellow aviation enthusiast I see :beer: :beer: :beer:

      The F-117 will forever be the most impressive aircraft I’ve ever seen. The implementation of off-the-shelf components to allow for rapid deployment of the technology was a great decision by Lockheed. It’s hard to believe it had been in service for ~30 years before they retired it in 2008.

  • lastconservativeblackmanonearth

    ahhh yes!!! German technology is a most interesting topic for me (at least when I forget about all that racist crap they chose to engage in) …

    think about all the developments coming out of a country that, but a decade earlier, was in disarray from losing ww1:
    1) the more successful ohain axial flow jet engine design (the british whittle centrifugal flow was inferior)
    2) fowler (trailing edge) and kruger (leading edge) flaps for increasing lift
    3) and, of course, the horten advances in aerodynamics (of which radar stealth was an interesting sidebar)
    4) the forward-sweep wing
    5) the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15: a direct theft from the germans, I believe …

    … man, those germans were SHARP. I can’t prove it, but I also suspect they were the lead scientists for lasik eye surgery. think about it: radial keratotomy (the predecessor to lasik) came out of the soviet labs after they invaded all those german universities and military sites and availed themselves to the technology.

    … but alas! extreme intelligence has extreme paranoia as its bedmate!

    … still, I tip my hat to them (as long as they don’t make me into a lampshade!!!)

  • unkaglen

    It happens every time a politician runs a war instead of letting his Generals do their job……. :sad:

    • FIU Alum

      Alfred Jodl claimed at Nuremberg Hitler was a military genius extremely well versed in armaments, production, weapons capabilities and tactics.

      Hitlers IQ was estimated at 142. Hardly a dottering fool.

      He was an Insane Madman by 1943 who did terrible things but I would not call him dumb buy any stretch

      A Likud Party member Mosche Feihlin last year said the same thing about him as military man.

      Fact is Germany stood little chance once we got involved.
      I wonder if we would have ever dropped the A Bomb on Europe

  • Xavier

    “I wonder if we would have ever dropped the A Bomb on Europe”

    The U.S./British race to build the bomb was triggered because of the belief that it was possible and Germany was working to develop it.

    So…yes I think they would have, if it meant stopping Germany.