Air France Investigators “Close To Solving Disaster”

June 17th, 2009 (8) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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Times Online:

Faulty speed readings and electronic failures were cited by crash investigators yesterday as they said they were closer to understanding the loss of Air France Flight 447 on June 1, with the deaths of all 228 people on board.

Paul-Louis Arslanian, chief of the French accident investigation bureau, said that it was too early to pronounce on the events that led the Airbus A330 to crash into the Atlantic about 1,000km (600 miles) off Brazil, but added: “I think we may be getting closer to our goal.”His remarks strengthened suspicion among analysts that a bug in the computerised flight system of the Airbus could be the key to the disaster.

Brazilian and French searchers had by last night recovered 50 bodies and about 400 pieces of wreckage scattered over hundreds of square miles but a French nuclear submarine and other vessels have found no sign of the sunken flight recorders.

Mr Arslanian confirmed that “incoherent” speed readings were reported first in a series of alerts that the stricken aircraft transmitted automatically to Paris during its final four minutes. The other alerts “appeared to be linked to this loss of validity of speed information”. The faulty speed data affected other systems that relied on them, he said.

This would strengthen an emerging consensus in the aviation world that flaws in the electronics of the Airbus led to the loss of control. In the midst of a tropical storm, at night, the crew would have faced enormous difficulty in flying without basic flight information. A small variation outside the acceptable speed range would have put the aircraft into a stall or an “overspeed” condition from which it could not recover.

Similar incidents have been reported by Air France and other companies operating the airliner. The French airline rushed through the replacement of all the pitot tubes — the outside speed sensors — on its A330 fleet last week, after acknowledging a “significant” number of failures in recent months.

Blocked pitots alone would not cause the disaster, analysts have said, and suspicion has fallen on the electronics at the heart of the Airbus. Experts suspect a flaw in the behaviour of the three independent air data inertial reference units which collect raw flight parameters such as speed and altitude.

One such faulty unit was blamed for a near disaster on a Qantas Airbus A330 over Western Australia last October. Confused data caused the flight control computers to register — mistakenly — an imminent stall and to disconnect the automatic pilot. They commanded a strong downward pitch from which the crew, fortunately, managed to recover, although 14 people were injured.

Airbus, Air France and the European Aviation Safety Agency have all voiced full confidence in the Airbus and dismissed all theories as speculation. Nearly 1,000 of the aircraft are flying and until flight 447 none had been responsible for the death of a passenger.

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  • http://patdollard.com Average Joe

    HA,HA,HA,HA,HA….GOT TO LAUGH AT PEOPLE ARE BUYING THIS CRAP.

    Viturally all commercial airliners, especially Trans-oceanic flights between continents have so much “redundency” in instrument systems that the “speedometer broke” theory is a COVER-UP.

    Airbus, Boeing, BAE, Russians, Chinese, Brazilians, etc all use a COMPUTERIZED INSTRUMENT system called EFIS (Electronic Flight Navigation System) that uses an Inertial Navigation, which is a super-sophisticated GPS system that is so precise it can probably tell when the pilot moves in his seat or a passenger leaves their seat and changes the “balance” of the airplane.

    Bomb Threat; 2 Terrorists on plane; Plane had catestrophic ‘boom’; No warning with flash observed by some on ground; Bodies in pieces; Terrorist website claiming responsibility; Same US Navy ship used by Clinton for TWA-800………..All leads to “broke speedometer”.

    • AFITgrad86

      This can lead to inappropriately large flight control inputs and allowable stress to the airframe.

      Make that unallowable :sad:

    • http://patdollard.com Average Joe

      :arrow: But THIS reminds me of political cartoon about very corrupt Police & Fire Commissioner and crooked Mayor where I grew up in 1960s…..
      Scene of Fire is story Boarded-up Warehouse with BIG FIRE INSURANCE POLICY and ties to lots of polititians and shady characters that is in Urban Renewal area worth MILLIONS $$$.

      The Caption is of the Fire Commissioner (same guy as Police Commissioner) turns to the Mayor (who became part-owner of this property in a land-swap with City Property weeks before) and says, “LOOKS LIKE THEY WAS SLEEPING IN BED AND CAUGHT BUILDING ON FIRE WITH CIGARETTE.”

      The cartoon’s picture is of the ‘Fire Commissioner’ and Mayor in front of building with fire trucks, one of them is holding a mouse by the tail in one hand and the other one is dangling a cricket or roach in his hand.

      Lots of Union shit, Trucking-Mobs, Bad Building Contracts, Prostitution and Drugs…..Growing up there was like a Dirty Harry Movie.

  • AFITgrad86

    The incident report on the Australian incident is pretty revealing. It cited not only a failure of the air data computer/INS unit but the failure of the system to discount its information and believe the data from the other two systems (it is a triple redundant system).

    Secondly, the design of the ‘fly-by-wire’ flight controls is a possible contributing factor in that the system uses data from the (presumably faulty) air data computer to moderate pilot inputs to the side stick (the replacement for the control yoke) to prevent over stressing the airframe.

    I believe the scenario this is leading to is that the air data computer failed, the autopilot disengaged, the crew took over and flew manually. Then at some point the crew made a large input to the sidestick which resulted in an over “g” and structural damage (e.g., the empennage or tail section broke free) accounting for the loss of cabin pressure and loss of control.

    This scenario is supported by previous incidents involving Airbus including manual inputs causing empennage damage and the Australian incident.

    Could it have been a bomb? I wouldn’t rule that out until tests for bomb residue are made but I see a non-terrorist cause that is even more frightening. .

    • ZenDraken

      That tail fin appears to have sheared-off fairly cleanly. This is similar to the what happened to American Airlines Flight 587 in 2001 (see Wikipedia), where the tail fin snapped due to excessive rudder inputs.

      Granted, AA587 was an Airbus A300, but I understand all Airbuses have composite attach points for the empennage. Boeing uses metal attach points, and I don’t know of any Boeing airliners that have lost tail fins in this way. Makes ya wonder…

    • AFITgrad86

      One of the problems with an air data computer failure is that information needed by the flight control computer to limit control deflection is either incorrect or missing. The flight control computer has a manual mode (law) that does not limit control deflection as function of mach or Q (dynamic pressure). This can lead to inappropriately large flight control inputs and allowable stress to the airframe.

      The attachment method (composite vs. metal) could be a contributing factor worth looking into but if the structure is only rated for x Gs and you subject it to 1.5x Gs then somethings going to break regardless of material.

      The advantage of metal over composite (depending on the material and it’s hardness) is that composites tend to be brittle and shatter if subjected to excessive loads or loads applied in planes other than that intended to take them. Metal tends to be more elastic and will deform to some degree before breaking.

  • cocorico

    it ain’t a bomb, according to the analyse of the corpses

    here you have more details on the remains

    http://www.securiteaerienne.com/

    click on “lire plus” to get more pics and some interesting comments

  • cocorico

    BTW a pilot died while flying from Brussels to New-York, Air Continental Boeing