Updated: Circumstantial Evidence Arises That Air France Jet Was Brought Down By A Bomb – Video Added

June 2nd, 2009 (40) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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Experts have already voiced the opinion that it is not possible for the Air France jet to have been brought down by atmospheric conditions. This sets up the possibilities of either some gross and extraordinarily unusual mechanical failure, or a missile or bomb. And now this, just in…

Associated Press:

Just days before the mysterious crash of Air France Flight 447 in the Atlantic Ocean, Argentinean authorities reportedly delayed a similar Air France flight from Buenos Aires to Paris after the airline received a bomb threat over the phone.

Police and officials at Buenos Aires’ Ezeiza Airport spent 90 minutes inspecting the threatened plane for explosives on the evening of May 27, but found nothing, according to a Brazilian news report.

During the search, passengers were not evacuated from the jet and later arrived safely at their destination in Paris.

A French accident investigator said Wednesday it’s unclear whether the chief pilot of Flight 447 was at the controls when the plane crashed into the Atlantic Ocean.

The head of France’s accident investigation agency also said he is “not optimistic” that rescuers will recover the plane’s black boxes, which are probably miles underwater.

Pilots on long-haul flights often take turns at the controls to remain alert. Asked whether the chief pilot was in the cockpit when the plane went down, the chief investigator told a news conference in France that there was no confirmed information either way.

He noted, “We don’t even know the exact time of the accident.”

He also told reporters there were no indications of a problem with the plane before it left Rio de Janeiro on Sunday night en route to Paris.

Military planes and ships from Brazil and France homed in Wednesday on the bobbing wreckage of Flight 447, as investigators tried to determine what brought the plane and its 228 passengers down in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

The planes stepped up overflights 400 miles northeast of the Fernando de Noronha islands off Brazil’s northern coast, where an airplane seat, a fuel slick and pieces of white debris were spotted Tuesday in the vast ocean.

Rescue boats from several nations were sailing toward the site to start the recovery.

Air France Flight 447 vanished Sunday night about four hours into its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris. The reason for the crash remained unclear, with fierce thunderstorms, lightning or a catastrophic combination of causes as possible theories.

French accident investigators leading the investigation were holding a news conference later Wednesday.

“The nature of the debris, the concentration of the debris … all combines to prove that the debris from Air France 447 has been found,” French military spokesman Christophe Prazuck said Wednesday.

Brazilian Defense Minister Nelson Jobim told reporters in Rio that no bodies had been found and there was no signs of life.

If no survivors are found, it would be the deadliest crash in Air France’s history, and the world’s worst civil aviation disaster since the November 2001 crash of an American Airlines jetliner in the New York City borough of Queens that killed 265 people.

In Paris on Wednesday, Prazuck said the French military was moving away from its sweeping aerial searches to “the next phase, the recovery of this debris, to be able to conduct the investigation and determine the probable zone of the accident, around which we must search for the black boxes.”

(AP)

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  • Vehement

    Must’ve been some right-wing, run loving French redneck. Couldn’t have been our Muslim friends.

  • Vehement

    Excuse me, make that “gun” loving, French redneck.

  • http://patdollard.com Average Joe

    One thing on the mechanical cause, This is the same FRENCH jet that crashed in NYC a few months after 9-11 when the TAIL FELL OFF right after takeoff.

    MEDIA at the moment going out of their way to claim WEATHER related…..Just like MEDIA worked with Bill Clinton to make TWA-800 as “NOT TERRORISM” to save him before 1996 election.

  • FIU Alum

    When they start telling you as they are now that

    “We probably will never recover the black box”

    you know its a bomb

  • FIU Alum

    Joe

    I have another one.

    How about the Egyptian Air crash Oct 1999 were the “pilot” was heard yelling “I rely on Allah” while he crash dived the plane into the sea!!!

  • USNA1985

    Isn’t it curious that they show a Boeing 747 – US made aircraft, when talking about the mysterious disapearance of an Airbus 330 – A french/European built plane. How curious this display, HMMMMMMMM!!!!! :sad: :sad:

  • Sybil

    Also the Austrailian jetliner crash; this was after the Auzzie governement told the Muslims to keep sharia law out of their country.

    Obama (oops Osama) had a video on a global fireball. i.e. the fires in Austrailia, Greece, France.

    What’s is with our country’s government and homeland security? They tell the world of the terrorists threats and raise the threat level; then tell us this wasn’t a terrorist attack.

    I guess the authorities will check out the baggage handlers and maintenence crews?

    BTW: Northwest/Delta have hired a Muslim in charge of the baggage claim department. Will check that out and get back with. “Sum of all fears”.

    (It doesn’t take a missile to drop an Atom/Nuclear) bomb.)

  • Sybil
  • Mike Swann

    Its below 26,000 feet of water. A little difficult to recover.

  • http://earthlink nomee 1

    sorry i dont belive a bomb brought this plane down, more likely pilot error, plane malfunction, or exturnal sources ie water spouts lightning, nothing more

  • http://deleted tedders

    Where’d you get your aerospace engineering degree nomee 1?

    ” ie water spouts lightning”, virtually impossible. Water spout? You’re on of the “truthers” aren’t you.

  • FIU Alum

    Indeed.

    But not impossible.

  • http://www.killingjanefonda.com cllucas

    First, Lightening is not (normally) going to bring down a jet. If it got hit (with lightening) it is possible that a spike was caused in the electrical system which may have forced the autopilot to input extreme control inputs which might have created an unrecoverable attitude. But this isn’t a P-3 Orion, where I had some experience with a lightening strike…
    That said–no pilot is going to try and punch through a a storm. thats what weather radar is for. If your radar can’t “see” through it, it ain’t worth going through…big black spot other side–no fly througheeey…..

    Bomb is speculative, a threat convenient but all are right, the press is bending over backwards to spite the nose on their faces…

  • Tom in CO

    Whatever you do, don’t call it terrorism unless it’s done by a radical pro-lifer.

  • Blumen_78

    Some facts from the news:

    - Air France did not release the passenger list yet.
    - All available (name) lists were given by relatives to the media.
    - Some prominent people were on the flight. Also people engaged in the war against drugs and weapon traffic in Southamerica. That information is in Spanish, check http://www.clarin.com.ar
    - Air France’s route is the same used by other airlines. There is high traffic there. A Lufthansa flight flew the same route some minutes later and did not report anything unusual from weather point of view. May be because great turbulences are usual in 99% of the cases in this route. This is just own experience, have not official statistics but I can say that in many cases I thought we were going to die!.
    - Brasilian air force craft found fragments from the plane over an area of 60km. I would like to ask the experts if is possible to assess if it was an explotion, a fire or whatever by the scattering of fragments in the ocean.
    - A German newspaper published this today. It is related to a bomb threat to Air France in Buenos Aires days ago (sorry, only in the German versiona available):

    http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2009/06/03/airbus-absturz-atlantik/bombendrohung-vor-air-france-flug-nach-paris.html

  • Marc

    Just waiting for the Martyr video before I don’t rule out a Jihadi

  • http://patdollard.com Average Joe

    :arrow: :arrow:
    cllucas and tedders, you’re on the right track….

    Because of lightning as a problem for a loNg time in aviation, about 20-25 years ago NASA/FAA/Eurpeans and all the manufacturers came up with electical discharge and in-flight ‘static dampening system’ for BOTH small airplanes and passenger jets.

    IT WASN’T LIGHTNING…. LIGHTNING OR TURBULENCE WOULD HAVE GIVEN TIME FOR ‘MAYDAY CALL’. THIS WAS SUDDEN BOOM. OTHERWISE, REPORT WOULD HAVE BEEN “AUTHORITIES LOOKING FOR WEATHER-RELATED CRASH”, AND NOT JUST “MISSING AIRCRAFT”.

  • vivi libero o muori

    with the great expanse of the wreckage spread out over tens of miles of ocean, and the fact that there were zero mayday calls, except for an automated message of ‘electrical malfunction and loss of cabin pressure’ that tells me two things: it was instantaneous, and the plane broke apart at altitude. It was a BOMB. plain and simple.

  • Jeff

    Not really curious. Most people can not tell the difference and god forbid a reporter would actually do research to actually get the right type of aircraft. All they go for is “Hmmm big plane crashed, well here’s a picture of a big plane, people will understand”

    Don’t look too much into it as some sort of conspiracy. People are just stupid.

  • Jeff

    Your logic is weak. It is far from plain and simple. If there was an electrical malfunction how would anyone expect there to be a mayday call? Now no one knows the extent of the electrical malfunction but it is much too soon to say with any certainty that it was a bomb and I do not like that this is already being reported because it just gets people worked up about something that is not even close to being proven. They can not even reach the plane or any of the black boxes yet.

  • unkaglen

    The point here is nobody knows SHIT. All opinions are just that,opinions………. :roll:

  • unkaglen

    Translator please…. :sad:

  • vivi libero o muori

    so your logic is that if there is any electrical malfunction, then it is impossible to broadcast a mayday? do you realize how many thousands of electrical systems are on these planes? so if 1 goes down, then the pilots cant broadcast? how about the size of the wreckage area? I’m using basic troubleshooting principles here.

  • FIU Alum

    The point is in these days of total bullshit news we may never get the truth especially if it was bomb

  • Johnny Doe

    “In Paris on Wednesday, Prazuck said the French military was moving away from its sweeping aerial searches…”

    The French military? What’s that?

    Apologies to George S. Patton, Jr.

  • Jeff

    “so your logic is that if there is any electrical malfunction, then it is impossible to broadcast a mayday?”

    I specifically said that we do not know the extent of the malfunction so it could have affected a couple systems or all of them. It was the same generalization you made that just because there was no mayday then it had to be a bomb. There is no conclusive evidence for a bomb yet you say that it absolutely has to be a bomb.

    As for the size of the wreckage area. Could it have broken up? Maybe. Could the wreckage have drifted? Maybe. The wreckage was not found for a couple days and the area did have storm activity.

  • tlk

    Too bad that fucking fat ass D’Escoto from the UN wasn’t on it.

  • AFITgrad86

    Kind of Rough but here’s Google’s translation:

    Only a macabre coincidence – or a new, hot track in the case of the crashed Airbus? A few days before death there was a flying bomb threat at another Air France flight to Paris!

    27. May, Ezeiza Airport, Buenos Aires (Argentina): An anonymous caller threatened on the telephone with a bomb aboard an Air France plane.

    The report, inter alia, the Argentine news portal, “La Nación”, and relies on airport employees.

    The passengers were immediately evacuated the arrival of the machine. Police, firemen and airport security took the Airbus immediately under the microscope!

    The experts searched the aircraft for explosives – but found nothing.

    The routine procedure, he should have lasted an hour and a half, then had the machine apart. Passengers could then without incident in the direction of leaving Paris.

    Air France wanted to comment on the bomb threat did not comment. Compared BILD.de wanted a spokesman for the message neither confirm nor deny: “No comment”, it was just. Shortly after that followed the confession: Yes, there has been an anonymous threat, where!

    Unheimlich: Whit Monday, just five days after the bomb threat, crashes of Airbus A-330 with flight number AF 447 under mysterious circumstances in the Atlantic – an Air France flight to Paris …

    Death Flight 447 – but it was a bomb attack?

    The French Defense Minister Herve Morin said there was no evidence an attack could be behind the crash of the Airbus A330 in the night from Sunday to Monday.

    But as long none the wreckage investigated, can the French government a terrorist attack does not exclude!

    “The security arrangements in Rio de Janeiro are not as draconian as in Europe,” writes the newspaper “Le Figaro”.

    “Determined terrorists could be this weak link can choose a French press to make,” concludes the paper.

    Investigators now are looking at the passenger list for potential perpetrators.

    The Brazilian Air Force in the Atlantic now has more wreckage of crashed Air France-machine detected. Among these are also part of a wreck with a diameter of about seven meters, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral.

    The first ship of the Brazilian Navy has under which the sea area around the crash site some 1200 kilometers northeast of the mainland coast of Brazil reached.

  • AFITgrad86

    As an aircraft maintenance guy (23 years USAF) I would say that the likelihood of a lightning strike bringing this plane down is slim to none. Even if the lightning strike caused a complete electrical failure there are back-up systems that would have kicked in.

    The automated message referred to above citing “Electrical malfunction” would have been sent under any of a number of scenarios including a total electrical failure but also including severed telemetry lines between the computer and the power monitoring system.

    Aircraft electrical systems are redundant. In most instances there is a left system, a right system, an essential system, and a battery system.

    The loss of cabin pressure is much more telling. Assuming the aircraft was at cruise altitude a decompression of the cabin would have resulted in an immediate mayday and a concurrent rapid (controlled) descent to 10,000 ft or lower.

  • Alex

    anybody remember the 28kg of Semtex that went missing from one of those retards military bases last year?

  • cocorico
  • cocorico

    “it’s unclear whether the chief pilot of Flight 447 was at the controls when the plane crashed into the Atlantic Ocean”

    apparently he was !

    http://bit.ly/qcQyx

  • cocorico

    yeah, as idiot does !

  • cocorico

    Patton, who’s that ?

  • Johnny Doe

    L’homme qui a libéré de votre pays par les Allemands, mon ami.

  • Kevin

    It was because France just put up that base in the UAE not too long ago. It has middle eastern fingers all over it.

  • ji

    It sounds like it split in half. They found 2 debris fields. Luggage in the middle.
    It says the inspected the plane, nothing about the luggage.

  • cocorico

    of course, he was alone

  • Johnny Doe

    Bien sûr, la résistance mérite le plus grand respect et une place d’honneur.

  • Sippin’ Coffee

    All concerned: those were two different model airplanes involved. The Airbus A300 that lost its vertical tail over New York is a much older design than the A330 involved here.