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Jul 2, 2009 126 Comments ›› Pat Dollard

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Note From a Cop

The fear on the street is palpable. Ever since the election of Barack Obama as President of these United States in November 2008, coupled with the election of a democrat party majority in both the U.S. House and Senate, concern for the United States and personal safety has ignited like a fire in dry grass.

Sales of guns – black guns, rifles, shotguns and handguns (particularly 9mm) everywhere, have gone through the roof. AR15s have literally flown off of dealer shelves, and only now in the spring of 2009, have I seen the display samples of ARs begin to reappear on the wall of my favorite shooting emporium after the initial post election rush.

Manufacturers of ARs are still working to catch up and some of the major suppliers are as much as 150,000 guns behind. Not only that, ammo is in the shortest supply I have ever seen in the 43 years of my shooting life. Have you recently tried to get 5.56mm, 9mm or even 380 ammo?

Supplies of 5.56mm and 9mm ammo are in short supply due to the black gun buying craze; .380ACP because of the rise in people getting concealed carry permits and the resurgence of interest in convenient 380 handguns like the fine Ruger LCP. In fact, in doing a review of the Ruger LCP, my gun store only had a small supply of ONE .380 round on hand, the Winchesters 95-grain SXT, which they had just gotten in. Unfortunately, I had to do a 30-round review of that pistol. There was none other to be found.

What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the average citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me is an almost shocking source: street cops.

Street cops and SWAT cops that I know from various agencies – rural, suburban and metro – in my area are scared. Cops that before November 2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to politics or more
importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are the guys that didn’t generally have any interest in shooting or gun ownership beyond keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of them didn’t even do that so well.

The guys I am talking about now are some of the same guys who used to not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not anymore. They don’t scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of this State and the United States (as our oath of office reads), have been buying ARs, survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands on. All of them (or I should say “us”) have been discussing and have been acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.

What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our discussions it seems to boil down to four areas.

First, fear of federal government intrusion into our lives. Every time I look at or listen to the news, there is something new and intrusive coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress. New tax schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a volunteer citizen defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the National Guard?) equipped with funding similar to our military, forced voluntary “service” after retirement, a lack of a southern border with hordes of illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the swine flu scare as well as government forced closing of thousands of privately held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the final nail in the coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.

But these items in the news are just the tip of the iceberg. We can’t see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don’t know what was added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package bills in the dead of night yet. I predict however that when the plans contained in the stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going to be surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and sweepingly changed.

What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear that there is an assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the Clinton Ban appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember well the 1990s and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the “black helicopter” rumors and paranoia, all of which was motivated by the Brady Law and the Assault Weapon’s ban. What if a new ban comes requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of banned weapons as what happened in Australia?

…I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road. Americans are citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or Australians. They just don’t always obey the law blindly and not one officer or citizen that I spoke to said anything like “I hope I get to keep this gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to shoot, so I would hate to give it up.” It isn’t going to happen, so the cop on the street and the soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do if the orders come down. I think you all get what I am saying here.

Which leads me to the third fear, that there is a revolution coming, yes, a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution. You can hear this topic discussed on many of the talk radio shows by even the big name hosts. The possibility of an armed revolution against the U.S. government being discussed, albeit very gingerly and fleetingly and as something to be avoided, which it is. I never heard this mentioned in the 90s. One of my quietest, low profile officer friends brought it up the other day.

He said that at some point in the near future, he felt there is going to be an armed revolt if things keep going the way they are. Something has got to give. I was shocked. Yes, I had heard this from some of my more radical
cop friends in the past, but to hear it from a guy like this was unprecedented. Now, these guys are not saying this will happen to foment revolution, preach sedition or to even participate. They just want to be ready if it happens, to at least defend their families, because number four on the fear list is general societal chaos.

Cops fear for their parents, wives, children or grandchildren more now than ever before. Most cops are encouraging their spouses and loved ones to get concealed carry permits. Not only that, but some of these same cops are buying gun mounts for their personal cars so they can carry an AR in the family ride at the ready all the time. They are also strapping on heavier forms of off-duty hardware. I have other friends that are issued ARs or subguns for tactical team use, who always have their gear with them and are planning on just commandeering these weapons for personal use in defending hearth and home.

Final Notes

This is pretty heady and maybe even dangerous stuff. Know fully that I am not advocating anything here. I am reflecting to you what I see and hear going on around me, and maybe saying things that haven’t been said in the
open, until now. It is something to think about.

Written By; Scott Wagner is a Police Academy Commander and Professor at Columbus State Community College in Columbus Ohio, and Commander of the 727 Counter Terror Training Unit. A 29 year law enforcement veteran, and current Deputy Sheriff, he is the Precision Marksman for the Union County Sheriff’s Office SRT Team.


  • unkaglen

    People better damn well be scared.The destruction of this nation is happening at a frightening pace.Personal liberties and financial securities are being literaly thrown out the window by the D.C. clown and his minions.The constant barage never stops.
    ALL citizens with half a brain are arming up,because they realize “Custers last stand” could happen at any moment…. :gun: :gun: :gun:

  • latheman

    I recently got a concealed carry permit and the cop that took my finger prints said that he thinks that we are headed for trouble and the told me that “they are not going to get my guns and they are not going to make me take yours away from you” and he said that rest of the officers on the force feel the same way,and what about the military the oath I took was to defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic

    • RealAmerican

      Just reflecting on many opinions currently available on our most, as of yet unfettered internet access –
      Quite a few are concerned that it will be our own military and public servants that will be utilized to disarm the population. What IF instead there will be be foreigners of other countries that are envious and wish our destruction that will be the ones sent in to disarm us? Armed foreign troops do not care about our people or our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

      Also, many seem to take it for granted that BO was elected by the majority of Americans that voted. Why assume that? Acorn, Moveon.org, Black Panthers along with the election and poll terrorists are very organized and practiced at their craft. Voter fraud and theft is more rampant than people know. One of the biggest challenges is disseminating all organized major media publications and treat them with some degree of scrutiny before accepting as fact or reality. Our country is strong, there are many that care and are strong, generous genuine citizens. We will have Our Father on our side if we ask for His Blessing. May God continue to Bless this country and those who love Him.

    • RealAmerican

      Just reflecting on many opinions currently available on our most, as of yet unfettered internet access –
      Quite a few are concerned that it will be our own military and public servants that will be utilized to disarm the population. What IF instead there will be be foreigners of other countries that are envious and wish our destruction that will be the ones sent in to disarm us? Armed foreign troops do not care about our people or our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

      Also, many seem to take it for granted that BO was elected by the majority of Americans that voted. Why assume that? Acorn, Moveon.org, Black Panthers along with the election and poll terrorists are very organized and practiced at their craft. Voter fraud and theft is more rampant than people know. One of the biggest challenges is disseminating all organized major media publications and treat them all with some degree of scrutiny before accepting as fact or reality. Our country is strong, there are many that care and are strong, generous genuine citizens. We will have Our Father on our side if we ask for His Blessing. May God continue to Bless this country and those who love Him.

    • unkaglen

      :arrow: RealAmerican-dis arming of the American public WILL happen through U.N. forces if it is ever attempted… :gun: :gun:

    • http://www.drunkenroundtable.com Stuart the Viking

      I sure hope that you are wrong about foreign troups being used on American soil to disarm Americans; but then again maybe that would be better. I would find it hard to shoot an American soldier even if he was there to take what was mine. Not impossible, just very hard. I wouldn’t find it hard in the least to shoot a foreign soldier in the same situation.

  • moriah

    WAtch out for the brainwashed among us — Highly educated and completely immoral.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaNOHWHFZ4I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejihadwatch%2Eorg%2F&feature=player_embedded

    • Minuteman1

      Hope it gets some circulation…

    • windigo

      this video is correct…graduated from UCSB in 2004 with B.A. in Cultural Anthropology…I and another exmilitary student were approached by Professor Shankar Aswani. Aswani’s agenda was to convince us that the United States is a hegemonic empire that has done nothing but exploit peoples around the world. He is clearly anti-american…and he clearly doesn’t understand the nature of the world or America. The sad fact of the matter is that many students buy into his propaganda…the students in this video demonstrate the prevailing attitude in the UC system….

      We shoud star by naming the enemy within our Universities…get them exposed for who they are…

      http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/aswani/

  • Bob

    I like IMD!!

  • prestonbrooks

    :neutral: Well, I promise you, Mr. Wagner is not alone. All of my associates are in the same or general area work he is in, and we are all doing the same thing. There is one constructive thing you can do: 23 states have an Organized Militia of the State, State Guard, or State Military Department. They are fully constitutionally provisioned, serve only their respective states under command of their governor. They are NOT for left-or-right radicals, racists or idiots. Their job is to defend the lives and property of their respective states. Law-abiding loyal citizens should join them now. Look up the SGAUS-State Guard Assoc. of the US- on the net. :idea:

    • escapedcommieny

      Checked their site, No Florida.
      We also don’t have legislation pending concerning the 10th Amendment that so many others have filed.
      more comments, self deleted.

    • Paslode

      Add Kansas as a positive. One thing to keep in mind if you venture into that territory…Stop, Look and Listen before you cross the street! Vet well those who you decide to setup shop with.

      1. A new ploy I hear is that ‘people’ approach the Militia’s or it’s members with Illegal merchandise aka Firearms and other Dangerous Devices then the friendly servants from the FBI and BATF come a knocking.

      2. There are some Militias that involved in White Supremacy…Missouri being one state with such thugs.

      3. Any talk about forcefully taking on the .GOV is a bad sign and I would suggest you locate the nearest exit.

    • prestonbrooks

      :arrow: Our people are well-advised on the Law and on OPSEC and such. About 30% in my Company are also LEO. About 70% are retired/former armed forces personnel from each branch of service. About 30% are non-former service. Each trooper goes through an SBI backgound check before his/her enlistment is official. However, 100% of us believe in a constitutional, legal government. We would not support or obey illegal orders. We routinely keep en eye out for provacateurs.

    • Paslode

      Well done Mr. Brooks!

  • ji

    Thats what I fear.
    That radicals take to destroying the US and the ob US does nothing, because we caused it to happen.
    So that ob says we need to negotiate with these terrorists, not destroy them.

  • John

    As a Deputy Sheriff with over 10 yrs experience as well as a veteran who still serves in the National Guard I can say that if the order ever came to confiscate guns I have already made up my mind. My badge will go on the desk as I leave and I will be AWOL for the first time in 14 yrs of military service.

    • jc13

      Deputy Sheriff for 5 and Marine for 10. I will not comply with any unlawful order. I will protect and defend the Constitution– at all costs.

      My kind will use all peaceful means to keep our nation, but if they keep pushing…. There is no limit to our resolve.

    • Al

      God Bless You, JOHN and JC 13.

    • LG

      Police and National Guard personnel SHOULD (Must) make up their minds and personally decide on their future choice: defend the people against the government OR support the government against the people. There are ONLY those two choices!!

      You will be with us OR against us. Obey your oath!

      LG

    • Marcus

      John,

      If at all possible you should NOT turn in your badge but work from within to promote a positive change. If you turn in your badge, the media and their masters will just lump in as one of the right wing extremist who went AWOL. If you remain in the department you will still have some pull in the eyes of the sheep. That would be a MUCH greater help to the cause of liberty than one extra foot soldier.

      I’m just putting that out there. :cool:

  • http://www.myspace.com/methushelah Demogorgon

    It’s not really all that complicated…

    If your intention is to serve, protect, and defend the Constitution of this Federal Republic – as well as the Free Citizens (your neighbors) who actually pay your salary – then you’re with us.

    If your intention is to follow orders no matter how UN-constitutional they are – simply because some ‘authoritarian’ (piss-ant Demo-commie) says it’s the ‘law’ now – then you’re with them.

    Don’t choose to fight for ‘them’ — or you’ll very quickly turn into something that you really do NOT (I pray) want to be.

  • CPLViper

    Hmmm. I would like to add my two cents …

    “… so the cop on the street and the soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do if the orders come down. I think you all get what I am saying here.”

    What is there to think about? Draw the fuckin’ line in the sand that you will not fire on civilians for defending their constitutional rights. We, police, military, citizens by birth and even nationalize citizens are under oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Period, end of story. Are we not to rely on our police and military to follow their oath when the citizens who are following the same oath put them to the test?

    I think (and hope) we can count on them.

    And, lastly, nobody is talking about a revolution, that would mean a destruction and replacement of government. A full rebuild from the ground up. NOBODY wants that! People are talking about a RESTORATION of our already defined government (defined by the Constitution that has been trampled and ignored by the elected officials who represent themselves and their own ideas instead of the citizens).

    • ignifer

      I absolutely agree with CPL’s definition of whats really on the table-the RESTORATION of our form of government as defined by the Constitution per the founders original intent.
      Those who for almost 100 years have been destroying said republic ON BOTH sides of the aisle are THE ACTUAL Revolutionaries, destroying their host organism: American freedom.
      When properly defined, the struggle to return America to its status as constitutional republic with a fed govt which has ONLY the powers granted to it via the US Constitution is a COUNTER INSURGENCY..a counter-revolution. With that said, by way of putting things in their proper context, I believe we could dispense with the pussyfooting around when describing the likely steps necessary to effect such a retaking.
      I am grateful for any indication that the American citizen-soldier and the average policemen understand whats blowing in the wind and are on the CORRECT side, as evidenced in the above article.

    • LG

      I agree! We do not want to start over (chaos)! We just want the government to stay out of our lives unless we need them (RESTORATION is a great word).

      LG

  • Tim Roesch

    Maybe it’s time to shake the hand of a cop.
    Maybe it’s time for cops to shake the hand of a citizen.

    Maybe it’s time we started coming together.

    The mass defection of an entire (or damn near entire) police force of a city or state in the face of Unconstitutional orders would go a long way to reducing violence and the destruction.

    Find your friends now.

  • PatriotofPast(Thomas)

    I’m sorry, but I do see a Revolution comming, soon. And I do not worry about the Military and Law Enforcement Officers knowing THE CONSTITUTION…
    It will be a Us against Them.
    Them being the Obama followers, the Enviromentalist and I’m affraid The United Nations.
    U.N.Peace Keepers on American soil, following the orders of a Group of Insane Criminals, that SPONGE off of The American People. It will be We The People, in a Fight for Our Freedom. :gun:
    God Bless

    • ignifer

      If all WE THE PEOPLE have to worry about is neo-hippie trash, tree hugging soy milk drinkers, Acorn-recruited “urban types” holding their bling encrusted gats sideways, and HORROR OF HORRORS- the dreaded UN peacekeepers then all will be well.
      UN Peacekeepers (other than the US elements, who do ALL the heavy lifting) historically run at the first sign of danger, or help prey upon helpless civvie pops theyre supposed to be protecting.
      America is chock-full of good ol boys and girls who know how to shoot and I’m confident the idea of facing pissed off Americans armed to the teeth makes the avg.UN euro-weenie wet his pampers. I believe it was Mao who said he would never consider invading America because there would be ‘a rifle behind every blade of grass.’
      Damn Skipppy

    • latheman

      with out the United States Military the u.n. couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag

    • Rich C

      It was Adm. Yamamoto who made the comment about a rifle behind every blade of grass.
      He had served a term in the embassy in Washington and really understood America. The line from Tora, Tora, Tora “I am afraid we have awoken a sleeping tiger.” was actually true. He knew that attacking the US was virtually suicidal even though the US was viewed as a “paper tiger” in Tokyo. OBL made the same mistake that Tojo did, he underestimated the people of the US because they don’t understand how we think.

    • Crotalus

      I believe Admiral Yamamoto actually said, “I fear all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve.” And yes, he is also reputed to have said, “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a man with a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

  • solomonpal

    :beer: Glad to hear it…It’s a question I have pondered. Would like to hear more. Especially from the military.

  • http://SteveR Paul Phillips

    As a Military retiree,when I was in the Service we were required to follow “lawful” orders of our superior officers. However, taking weapons from our
    people is not a lawful order. I have been in three wars and I will not give up my weapons and will defend
    my country and flag as I did for 24years,8 months and
    7 days. The ACLU (American Communist Liberty Union can
    go to hell if they try to take the crosses down in the
    VA Cemetary. God Bless American to hell with the Democ-rats.

    • PatriotofPast(Thomas)

      :beer: Amen

    • LG

      As another retired military guy, I agree!

      LG

  • mike3481

    This article confirms what Tic-tic-boom said on the JKH several weeks ago.

    • John

      See here is where the argument got skewed. Most tin-foil hatters and non-military people think is that us (Cops and military) are drones who just follow orders. Well the real deal is most of us are Patriots and educated about the Constituion (especially as a cop I deal with it everyday). Most cops and military feel the same as and are usually as conservative as the most ardent of Constitutionalists. We more than anybody know what is in those documents and have sacrificed for them (or seen life without them) enough to truly understand their importance. So like I said in my earlier post, when the line in the sand is drawn and a revolution starts I KNOW which side most cops and servicemembers will choose.

      That being said in my mind the die has been cast and its 1774 all over again. I think all this talk about peaceful change is pie in the sky. Obongo and his thugs are here to stay cause with their 60 vote majority and czars of this or that and the complicit media…mark my words they are going to repeal the 22nd amendment or try, and O-turd aint going anywhere. Alot of people are either to dumb, ignorant, or indifferent to wake up in time.I’ll probably end up on some DHS watch list for thinking this way but for those that know history the quote goes those who ignore history are bound to repeat it. So I’ll make the introduction “Mr. Obama—King George, King George—-Mr. Obama”

    • LG

      I agree with JOHN, but the trouble starts (see Germany in 1933 thru 1939) with small little laws that eat away at your rights. The cops and military obey the law(s), that’s when the conflicts will began with the people.

      LG

  • Scoot

    Sorry, another off topic article, and it’s a doozy:

    Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/02/senate-democrats-trim-cost-health-care/

    “WASHINGTON — Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 under a health care overhaul bill unveiled Thursday by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Obama’s top domestic priority.

    The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.

    In a revamped health care system envisioned by lawmakers, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face penalties.”

    The line is getting very, very, very fucking close to being crossed with this bullshit!
    :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • JOE …NH

    I am sure this will get another 40k police officers on our side……..

    http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_12741989

  • http://BETTYLOU WORRIED IN IL

    I AM 70 YR OLD GREAT GRANDMOTHER..MOTHER OF 3 U. S. MARINES..NEVER HAVE I BEEN SO WORRIED ABOUT MY AMERICA… THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND THE MILITARY WILL NEVER CARRY OUT AN ORDER TO DISARM THIS COUNTRY…MY HUSBAND IS ILL AND WE ARE BOTH OLD,SLOW AND DISABLED HOWEVER THAT HAS NOT STOPED OUR ABLIITY TO DEFEND OUR HOME AND COUNTRY

    • latheman

      they will have to go through a lot of us Marines! Semper Fidelis Grandma

  • pacocop

    Been a cop in Chicago IL area for 20 years.

    I agree totally, and I would never enforce laws designed to lock up honest and patriotic Americans.

    These radicals have gone too far, the tail is wagging the dog.

    The stimulus money to avoid layoffs, no cop buys into that BS and thinks Oba-mao supports us. He was the driving force in IL for the ridiculous racial profiling laws.

    Most veteran cops at this point are keeping their head down, trying not to get indicted for doing their job, and figuring out how to protect family when the shit hits the socialist fan.

    • George

      Pacocop – you say you are a Chicago cop who would not try to disarm citizens. Uh… aren’t the citizens in Chicago ALREADY disarmed, so that only the police and the thug criminals have arms? Just wondering here…

  • Saxon

    It was`nt Mao who said it. It was a Japanese Admiral that said “we could never invade America because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass”.
    As a former Marine and CO then on to LEO, I have come across a few,very of cops who would obey those orders for the price of just keeping their jobs. Still the vast majoirty of military and police will never go for it. Let the U.N. just try us.

  • prestonbrooks

    :razz: I had to study way too much constitutional stuff to get qualified. I ain’t throwing it away for the African Queen. Come and get them, assholios! Kill me, 2 more take my place. :twisted:

    • dacoelec

      Ten more.

  • Professor Bill

    I just have a real fear when push comes to shove, what will the cops do? Will they follow orders and disarm the citizenry? Perhaps in the name of making society more safe or the war on drugs? I would like to think they won’t, but every week more unconstitutional actions are being carried out against American citizens.

    Here in California there is a bill in the assembly, AB 962, it will require fingerprints be taken for all ammo purchases and it will prohibit transfers (think gifting or borrowing) of ammo without a “handgun ammunition vendor license”. Now if this thing passes, will the police enforce this law? Suppose uncle Joe gets caught giving his nephew a few boxes of ammo without the proper license. I have no doubt that law enforcement will have no problem at all locking uncle Joe up. Their response will be they are only following orders and uncle Joe broke the law.

    On the Federal level no one is going to convince me that the same bunch responsible for Ruby Ridge, Elian Gonzales and Waco are not going to very willfully disarm the American public. Does anybody reading this really believe that that the ATF is filled with patriots who would choose the American public over following orders? The will gladly do Obozo and Holder’s bidding in a heartbeat with a smile and arrogant indignation that we would dare question their authority.

    • Blade Runner

      No doubt, Professor, a percentage of LE officers and agents will “follow orders”. That was the Nazis cop out at Nuremburg. But, on the other hand, I have no doubt that a substantial number of LE officers, particularly state and local, will honor their oath to the Constitution. All you need do is browse the net to find just how many Police, Firefighters, and Military (both active and veteran) have posted their intention to defend this nation against all enemies FORIEGN AND DOMESTIC. How about those of us here on Dollard Nation? Oath Keepers? Twitter and Facebook have thousands of comments and messages on this subject.

      Yeah, things could get ugly, but fuck the traitors in government and out, fuck ‘em all, the long, the short and the tall.

      Lock and load, keep your powder dry, and all that shit. Now, everyone smile. Independence Day is coming. I’m going to a T-party. Gonna be a big one.

      BTW, last weekend, I went to a T-party picnic, Bob “Thomas Paine” Basso was there. Fucking great speech. This event started at 10am and ran until 4pm. There wasn’t a cop in sight until about 3 hours in when a state trooper showed up. He was a black fellow. Got out of his cruiser, big smile on his face, and started chatting people up. Even signed the 100 foot long Constitution of the United States that we are sending to Obama later this year.

      Have an American 4th of July, y’all. :beer: :grin:

    • http://www.myspace.com/idcchief MarineDoc

      Of course they will follow the orders…the organization is unconstitutional in its’ existence.

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  • Peter

    They say if you want to cook a frog you don’t throw it in boiling water, it’ll jump right out. You put it in room temperature water then turn up the burner and slowly bring to a boil. The frog will just sit there.

    My fear is the same process will be brought to bear on our rights. I fear the slow erosion of our rights through marginally lawful orders given to and enforced by our law enforcement and military personnel. Resistance is going to be much harder to coordinate when the “line” is crossed one citizen at at time. By the time the obvious is known it may be too late.

    Then see if violent revolution is avoidable…

  • prestonbrooks

    :twisted: Know your Enemy: remember, Kenyatta thinks like an African despot or Indonesian potentate. He does NOT think, act, or reason as an American does, because intellectually, he is not American. While I actually beleive he is probably a citizen, he is probably the son of notorious communist/pederast Frank Marshall Davis. When you put pix of the three men side by side, it is very apparent he resembles Davis, even to the hairline. Obama Sr., no. Even with the caucasian blood mixed in, he does not resemble Obama Sr. Show us the BC, Spearchucker! I bet “father” is blank or it says “Davis.”

  • http://operationcleensweep.blogspot.com/ toaster802

    Barry prefers people compare him to Lincoln, so I will throw my 2 cents in reminding his lordship;

    “We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, BUT TO OVERTHROW MEN WHO PERVERT THE CONSTITUTION.” –Abraham Lincoln

    Read ‘em and weep, acorn types…

    • http://www.kentforliberty.com Kent McManigal

      Of course, Lincoln (the American Lenin) didn’t give a rat’s patootie about the Constitution unless it agreed with him anyway. The “union” wasn’t supposed to be a suicide pact. He overthrew America and replaced it with “The United States”.

  • straightarrow

    I think I must do this. Pacocop said he would never obey an unlawful order and that his loyalty lies with his oath to the people and the constitution. (paraphrased)

    But first he told us he was a Chicago cop for 20 years. I suspect he has followed orders and arrested possessors of guns in Chicago for no other crime than possessing the gun. Yet, somehow, he still manages to believe he would be righteous when push comes to shove, never realizing he has already been co-opted.

    Now, I don’t know Pacocop, so I may be doing him a disservice, but the odds say he has enforced that illegal law and followed those illegal orders in 20 years of service to the Chicago machine. If I am wrong, I apologize to Pacocop. If I am wrong, I would still bet Pacocop knows personally other Chicago cops who have followed those illegal orders already,and probably still believe they are the good guys, never realizing they already betrayed their oath.

  • opaww

    I just fell in love with this site, thank you all for your service regardless of LEA, or Military. I am a former Army scout of 21 years and I to will make my stand when the time comes.

  • http://www.thepriceofliberty.org MamaLiberty

    To those who protest that they would never follow orders to confiscate American’s guns: I would like to ask you just what difference there is between that “order” and all the rest of the illegal, unconstitutional “laws” you enforce daily, for illegal, unconstitutional and destructive government agencies?

    The police and military “forces” grow daily more alike, with similar “toys” and training to “break things and kill people.” The SWAT teams work three shifts in some places terrorizing people who are harming nobody, but have – even just possibly – done something the government doesn’t like.

    How are those “cops” in the minority? I’d like to see the numbers. I’d like to see all of those professing allegiance to their oath do something concrete to reign in these supposed “few bad apples.”

    I pray you are all starting to see the truth. Nevertheless, some of us have decided that “we’re all done backing up.”

    • Professor Bill

      I agree re. SWAT teams. Here in California they dress in all black battle fatigues or camo fatigues and are outfitted like they are attempting to take out an AlQueda safe house. They keep their faces fully covered so no one knows who is doing what outside of their unit and there have been many examples of them stepping over the line regarding force. I think most SWAT teams here in CA would have no problem invading peoples homes for no other reason than being directed to do so by their superiors under the pretense that they were in possession of “illegal” firearms, which here are AR’s, AK’s, and Glocks.

      The one major consolation I have is that if just a small percentage of society decides to be lawless at the same time police forces will be completely overwhelmed. I remember during the LA riots towns all across California were reduced to skeleton crews due to all available officers being sent to LA and even then they barely got things under control.

      Police make up around 0.8% of my towns population. If 5% of my town’s population freaked out at once the police would be overrun. And I can assure you there are so many illegal aliens and gang members here that if the shit hits the fan those criminally minded are going to take advantage of the situation and things are going to get really ugly.

      I sincerely hope and pray that this doesn’t happen but does anyone think that Obozo is going to leave office on Jan 20th 2017?

    • John

      Mama Liberty…you like the rest of the tin foil hat people often speak of what you know nothing about. Your part of the problem.

    • http://www.kentforliberty.com Kent McManigal

      “John” has drunk deeply of the koolaid. MamaLiberty isn’t a tinfoil hat person. She has done more for the cause of liberty than any LEO or military employee. Funny how “John” is so offended by her objective observations. He thinks tossing in a knee-jerk insult will discredit her. He is wrong.

  • http://www.kentforliberty.com Kent McManigal

    The thing is, unless cops enforce the “laws” of this out-of-control government, its edicts are powerless. If you are a cop, the ball is in your court.

    Any cop who enforces ANY “law” that attempts to regulate or prohibit anything other than actual aggression or theft is a tool of the state and an enemy of America. It is time to make a stand and choose sides.

    Until I see cops CRUSHING the “bad apples” among them- the cops who enforce counterfeit “laws” against guns, drugs, taxation avoidance, consensual sex, and any other “law” that has no individual victim- I will not believe cops are on “our side” at all. They have proved themselves to be LEOs (Liberty Eradication Operatives) only; “peace officers” no more.

    “Just doing my job” or “I don’t make the laws, I just enforce them” are excuses that didn’t work at Nuremberg and they will not hold water at Nuremberg II either.

    • Minuteman1

      No king but King Jesus.

    • the friendly grizzly

      I’d be content to see cops “crushing” other cops who do things like beat the daylights out of a bartender half their size because they were refused service (they were already drunk).

      Heck. I’d be content just to have the police think of me as a fellow member of the community, and not call me a “civilian”. Seems to me that unless you are in one of the US Armed Forces, you are a civilian no matter what outfit may call you “captain” or “sargeant”. Calling me “civilian” just shouts “us vs them”.

  • Tom

    Can someone explain “post katrina” to me?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8

    “You mean shoot an american? Yeah.”

    We’ve been headed, or pushed, towards a class based society for years. The politicians, big business, military/police, the average man on the street…you can break it down however you want but essentially those are the classes. The average working class stiff is on the bottom of the heap.

    Their only recourse is to try to fight within the system set up by the others that unconstitutionally grants them special privileges that joe sixpack doesn’t have.

    The cops I know, only a few, would probably go AWOL if THEIR families were screwed with or they were the targets of the gun grabbers, but if it’s joe average out on the street getting the shaft I honestly think they would have no problem with going along with that.

    I’d love to believe that most cops and military would side with the good guys here, but with the “unit” or “brotherhood” mentality, peer pressure, group mentality, or whatever I have to wait until I see it. Then I’ll start to believe it. Sadly I think it’ll be too late at that point.

    Honestly, all you cops on here, or military/former military, what percentage of those groups are going to stick their neck out in an economic situation that just keeps spiraling downward for some guy you never met or may never meet when it means you and yours get to share in the unemployment misery or be out on the street? You make your money from he government which seems to be the only business expanding these days, like a dealer offering up that first taste of smack for free to get folks hooked.

    I guess I could have just said “I’ll believe it when I see it because the only good cops I know got out 10+ years ago” but I think that oversimplifies things.

  • lastconservativeblackmanonearth

    … civil war IS coming … not a matter of if, but when.

    in civil war, the enemy becomes invisible … indistinguishable from your brother-in-arms.

    in civil war, the enemy dosen’t occupy the front lines, but the flank and the rear.

    in civil war, psychological torment is a weapon of choice.

    in civil war, the parasites win … russia … china … islam.

    :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :gun:

  • johninmontana

    Note from a Cop is certainly a timely and relevant and interesting article. Thanks for sharing.
    I too am amazed at the scarcity of 9mm and .38 special ammunition for my handguns. I am stocking up on ammo and buy it when I can find it.
    There is a ray of hope: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
    Go to this website and you will be shocked by the courage that many military and police men and women are exhibiting. I was in the Marine Corps many years ago, so my taking the Oath has little strategic value, but I do contribute money each month and encourage others to do the same. We all can help.

  • http://theultimateanswertokings.blogspot.com Joel

    “Most tin-foil hatters and non-military people think is that us (Cops and military) are drones who just follow orders. Well the real deal is most of us are Patriots and educated about the Constituion (especially as a cop I deal with it everyday). Most cops and military feel the same as and are usually as conservative as the most ardent of Constitutionalists.”

    I hear what you say, and wish to believe it. But why don’t I ever SEE this vast majority of cops refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws? There are many such laws, not just gun-related, and cops seem to have no ethical problem enforcing them. If there were this majority refusing to overstep their constitutional bounds, wouldn’t there be some evidence of it? What I see is a whole bunch of cops saying, “just doing my job.” When cops go nuts with tasers and other forms of excessive force, others talk about ‘a few bad apples,’ but never do anything to remove those apples from the barrel. So where is this ethical majority? What has it been up to all this time? Forgive me, but I must doubt your words. Don’t tell me how ethical and freedom-loving you are: Show me. Or just admit that you’re my enemy.

    And I don’t even own a tinfoil hat.

    • quarterpounder

      I have never been an LEO but I have been involved heavily with the military. I understand from what you wrote that you never have been involved as an LEO and if you have been involved with the military your perception will by in large be based upon your capacity within the military.

      So please understand that LEO’s and military alike are the same as every ordinary citizen when it comes to standing up for something of importance. For example, what has taken the American people so long to stand up for what is right and protest? Why was this not done so ardently under Nixon, Clinton, Bush? The answer is it takes time for people to realize the reality they live in and based upon the perceived threat, speed of the threat, and the conditions in which we are living to react accordingly.

      LEO’s have families. Often enough when asked to do a job it is done for they to face issues that they must decide whether or not they want a job the next morning. Yet as pressure mounts and lines are crossed the “awakening” speeds until a moral boundary is in question and a decision must be made. Also understand that when operational many actions are taken to protect oneself. It can be difficult to understand unless one has walked within the shoes of an LEO or the military acting as a policing force in another country.

      Yet the letter written by this LEO is obvious evidence that LEO’s are now being forced to rationalize what they see taking place. This is simply the way of things. For one I would stand by them and fight with them if they are in the right. Yet if they go against the people I too will side with the people. It is not a matter of which side, it is a matter of right and wrong.

      No its not right that the wrongs committed by some LEO’s have been overlooked. Yet we do not live within a perfect world shrink wrapped in bubble plastic to keep us from hurting our knee when we fall down. One must keep things within perspective and within the confines of the constitution and moral obligation as well as right and wrong. Even a good deed done the wrong way causes harm. We as the people must do things the right way despite what persecutions, abuses and beatings we have taken. Without the people united as one we will divide ourselves and fail.

    • John

      Joel….your perception of police is what you see on the 6 O’clock news. YOu see a thirty second sound bite of cops acting against someone. What you dont see is the context which brought about the action CNN chooses to show to ramp up people about the police. Tunrning the populace against the officers. You and those like you judge without having walked a mile in my shoes. So fuck off believe what you want, but dont question my ethics…I’ve put my ass on the line for your “rights” more than once, instead of being a keyboard commando…why dont you jump in the mix…then tell me how it is.

    • http://www.kentforliberty.com Kent McManigal

      The mainstream media is way too pro-cop for my taste, so I don’t judge any cop incident by their reports. So, “John”, speak for yourself.

      No one puts anything “on the line” for MY rights except for me. That is such a vulgar excuse that we all hear the tax parasites use time after time. Don’t kidnap people for using unapproved “drugs” on my behalf. Don’t steal money from people for driving “too fast” on my behalf. Don’t do anything on my behalf. Joel and I can handle our own lives and rights just fine. So, no thanks. Keep your filthy “enforcement” to yourself.

  • http://www.Dissent-From-Day-One.com DissentFromDayOneDOTcom

    I was at the DC Tea Party today. A leader of the Oathkeepers was one of the speakers … great stuff.

    We need to clear out ALL of the House in 2010 and ALL of the Senators up for re-election in 2010 and begin the restoration of America.

    After that: vigilance needs to be ingrained into the public fool system.

    Let’s roll.

  • kaveman

    It’s nice to see so many LEO’s take a stand and side with the law-abiding citizens of this country.

    I would like to think there are enough of you to keep your own in check, but I am not naive. I fear that most, when faced with a disappearing paycheck, will turn to evil and fire on their fellow citizens for the sheer audacity of defending their Rights.

    I hope I am wrong, but regardless, I have prepared to join forces with them or actively oppose those who take their oath falsely.

    During a cold war, idle threats are useless and counterproductive. But know this. There are now more privately owned firearms in this country than there are citizens.

    Widespread confiscation is suicide.

    Once a person has identified something in this world worth dying to defend, then they have, at the same exact instant, identified something worth killing to protect.

  • quarterpounder

    First of all let me say that I am a Marine that has worked in military intel and counter intel. I have worked with some spec ops groups and have many friends in those fields. Yet now that I am a civilian I too like this LEO have seen a mindset in the people switch just like someone flipped a light on in a room.

    For one I fear a violent revolt. Its implications on the international scene open us up to invasion from threats whether it be the UN or China or any other capable force and perhaps a little mix of them all. The world wide economic implications will be staggering. Some world powers would use this event as a way to wage war on neighbors that they otherwise never would have due to our military being occupied by issues at home. It would be an enormous mess. Yet even as I say this I too realize that it is coming. No matter how you try to look at the picture it will happen in time, we all know the reasons as to why and the single one reason is they (the government) refuse to listen to the people on any topic but play to the interest group to divide up money and power.

    If I lived in any other country than the USA or if this was taking place in any other country than the USA I would say that this idea of revolt is a perceived threat only. Yet long hold American traditions always prove a very different story especially when it pertains to freedom.

    For myself and my family. We too are arming. I am working with many former military personnel to provide defense for our families.

    Yet there is one thing I heard said once by a former Navy SEAL that sticks out in my mind and sends a chill down my spine at how the thinking of the people of this country has changed.

    “LEO’s were trained to enforce the law and are often trained more to do so in order to protect themselves. We on the other hand were trained to wage war without regard to our own protection weighing the risk to reward. If it comes to war, may God help them.”

    • PatriotofPast(Thomas)

      Quarterpounder, Thank You …
      Our Founding Fathers KNEW that a Free People, could Govern Themselves. That is what makes The United States of America so Special.
      And they also must have been Prophets to see 233 years ago that a Govt. could get so Corrupt. I guess that is the reason for the Second Ammendment. They knew that one day The People would HAVE TO put the Govt. back in check, according to The Constitution. We all should be in Awe at the Brilliance of thier Simple Logic.
      They Knew , They did it 233 years ago.
      We need to pull up our sleeves and do it again.

  • Roger T

    As a Texas Peace Officer I suppose that alot of the gun control laws across the nation have not really affected how I perform my job. Recently the legislature here has amended Unlawful Carry laws to allow the castle doctrine to apply to citizens operating their personally owned vehicles. Now if a citizen has a handgun in their vehicle and is not engaged in a criminal episode other than being stopped for a traffic citation they are free to go. Before, a handgun in a vehicle without a concealed carry permit might have meant jail for the citizen.

    The thing that always boggled my mind is that while a handgun without a permit was “criminal” the loaded deer rifle and/or shotgun in a vehicle was ok. I never saw the sense in criminalizing the small firearm that would probably be stopped by my armor as opposed to the .30.06 that would punch through me and my patrol car.

    I AM NOT saying that I would ever want rifles and shotguns banned for any reason. I work a semi rural area and their are plenty of people that carry those type of long arms as a normal course of their day. I just have always taken issue with tools being criminalized just for existing. I think that laws should apply solely to what someone does.

    Unfortunately, I look around the nation and see things changing at a frightening pace. I hear from LEO’s in other states concerned about new laws and the current doings of the federal regime. I no longer worry about what it means though. I know now that we are on the precipice. We are staring at the effective end of what our country was supposed to be and looking at what our would be rulers in D.C. want.

    What they want is not the United States I was born in and had hoped to end my days in peaceably. Instead I find myself talking with more like minded LEO’s and civilian friends and trying to get ready for what is coming. Maybe just maybe, we can still avert this by turning out and voting the professional politicians out and returning to a Constitutional form of government. Maybe, but I doubt it. So until a miracle occurs, make friends with your neighbors, get involved in local government(probably the least corrupt venue), stock up on supplies and try to hold on till the dawn comes. Or move to Texas. We are always happy to add another John Q. Texan to the mix.

    • http://www.kentforliberty.com Kent McManigal

      I’m in Texas, but if I exercise my human and Constitutional rights I will be kidnapped (“arrested”) by “peace officers” even though I have never physically harmed any person, guilty or innocent, in my entire life.

      You see, Texas criminalizes the human right of “open carry”. That is unconstitutional, as is any other law regulating or forbidding the owning and carrying of any weapon.

      If you really are serious about upholding the Constitution you would not ever have arrested or disarmed any person not actively engaged in attacking innocent people regardless of what the “law” was.

    • Roger T

      If by open carry you mean handguns, I agree that it is silly to criminalize them. But, by all means carry your shotgun or rifle. They are better tools in a gun fight anyway.

  • http://WorldsBestResumes.com Judith, typical White Ohioan

    Hallelujah Preston Brooks, someone who thinks EXACTLY as I do. Daddy is Franklin Marshall Davis. Just look at side by side pictures of him and Obongo. This is some of what he is hiding. Davis was a BIG TIME communist. Obama Sr. does not resemble him in any way. I cannot figure out for the love of God how he has been elected without disclosing actual bc, medical records, and school records. How has he gotten away with this? Who checks for this stuff from all other candidates? P.s. got my pea shooter “at the ready”.

    • Minuteman1

      He’s gotten away with this because of our MEDIA. In the coming revolution, sharpen those poles. Make examples of them all along the highways.

    • Professor Bill

      Having been in the white collar corporate world for many years and now in the public sector I find it absolutely unbelievable that Obozo never had to show his transcripts or proper citizenship documentation. Nearly every job that a person applies for requires some documentation of education. Now its obvious that the POTUS is a job unlike others, it should still be a requirement. Complete transparency, hhmmmmm, didn’t Obozo say he admin would have transparency? Guess it doesn’t apply to him. Consider also that all the members of his cabinet had to submit transcripts and other documentation for review.

  • moriah

    I have some sobering news from my home on the left coast, Northern California:

    Our sheriff’s dept. had a 15 million dollar ‘miscalculation.’ Turns out they’re going to have to:

    Lay off 300 deputies bringing the force down to what it was in 1955. That means Patrol staffing will be down 74% Leaving 10 cars patrolling the entire unincorporated area at one time. The Sheriff’s Dept is going to ground all helicopters and all neighborhood service centers will be closed. The good news is the sheriff is going to dismantle the qualifying panel for conceal carry permits and he’s going to handle it himself. Says he’ll be more liberal about issuing permits than the panel. We’ll see… :gun: :gun:

  • fas76

    Have no fear of who will be on our side,Obama and his ilk,will never know or understand how we think or what we feel in our hearts,they are not Americans,being born here does not mean you are an American,They can never learn our way of thinking or learn what we feel,we were born with it,even liberals that have come over to our side,it was just asleep for a while,and it is because of this WE Will win our Country back,We have the Blood Of Our Founding Fathers in Us,just think of a hundred million plus who think and feel as you,then ask yourself can we lose? the answer is Hell No.

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  • richard cranium

    WOW – so refreshing to read the views of like minded folks. i am scared too and arming up….

  • Storm 0311

    I might remind you all of the cops in New Orleans that where “just doing there jobs”

    I have worked with a few punks with guns and badges.
    I have seen plenty more.
    I know there has to be good cops out there who won’t stand for it…. but I don’t know who they are.

    Most of the cops I know like an unarmed public.
    Most of the Government Types I know like an unarmed public.

    I think Obama is in the right company to try to pull this off.

    • VW2027

      Damn Storm where do you live. The ones I work with dont think or say what your saying. (And several are 0311,11b’s and former 18 series) Oh shit, I just tought I saw a predator drone!

    • John

      It wasn’t a predator drone…it was a black helicopter flying to a FEMA camp! :roll:

    • Kentucky Jim

      maybe it was a black predator

  • John

    :arrow: “Kent” I see the angle your coming from….so its totally fine by me to let you take care of yourself. I’m sure after reading Soldier of Fortune and owning a bunch of guns qualifies you to be the omnipotent defender of people’s rights. So point taken I will gladly sit back and let you deal with the pedophiles, thieves, rapists and crackheads. Cause frankly I’m tired of getting it from both ends. The fat bloated administrators and the crybaby people and media that accompanies them. I’ve seen you kind plenty of times you never want us around until your shit gets stolen..or someone speeds down you streets…or a drunk driver kills someone you know. So whatever thanks for the advice I will gladly sit back on my ass in my cubicle and/or donut shop and draw my wasted goverment paycheck that affords me the opportunity to barely scrape by while listening to experts on the law, tactics, and how it really is types like yourself.

    And as far as mama liberty dont know her dont care…but I didn’t see her out on the lines in Iraq or saddling up in a patrol car to stop violent criminals from running rampant. I guess maybe I’ll contemplate her value to society while I spend time in Afghanistan wasting more of your tax dollars.

    • VW2027

      John dont forget He’ll want you at his house yesterday, when his “significant other” is beating the shit out of him. I too am getting sick of the BS From bothends. Very well put :beer: :beer:

    • http://www.kentforliberty.com Kent McManigal

      I don’t read “Soldier of Fortune”; I am not omnipotent. But I am aware. I know, as does MamaLiberty, that Iraq doesn’t threaten my “Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness” as much as those in the patrol cars who claim they are “helping” do.

      This gets back to the original point: obey your oath to defend the Constitution (which means you can’t enforce any “laws” against guns, “drugs”, freedom of travel, or anything else that doesn’t involve actual aggression or theft) and those of us who only want to be left alone, by freelance thugs AND by those who falsly see themselves as “sheepdogs”, will never oppose you. Keep acting like the wolves and you will continue to be seen as the domestic enemy.

      And the word is “you’re”, not “your”.

    • John

      Roger that chief, and in between lessons on freedom and liberty I’ll work on my grammar. Thanks for schooling me. YOU’RE a godsend for keeping wayward tyrants like me in check. Now if you’ll excuse me I have to prepare for my upcoming work week where I will surely devise a foolproof plan to circumvent the Constitution. If only someone whould help me find those stinkin (bad grammar again) jackboots.

    • http://www.kentforliberty.com Kent McManigal

      VW2027, when referring to me, claims “He’ll want you at his house yesterday, when his ‘significant other’ is beating the #### out of him.”

      Nope. He couldn’t be more wrong. I have been in bad situations in the past that I dealt with on my own. I understand that there is no situation so bad that it can’t be made orders of magnitude worse by adding a cop to the mix. Even if I were in a physically abusive relationship, and feared for my life, I wouldn’t run to the cops.

      Cops tend to vastly overestimate their importance to regular people, and tend to vastly underestimate people’s ability to take care of themselves. Perhaps they only deal with disfunctional people who never grew up and took responsibility for their own lives.

    • FIU Alum

      John

      I think you need to take adminstarive leave and rest. Your anger and volatile response To Kent is precisely the point.

      You seem to have a problem with the people you are presumeably “Serving and Protecting”

      We owe you nothing. Matter of fact the times I have had to deal with Police i.e Accident, Break In and Theft of my property you guys botched the investigation or simply did not care. In the break in and theft case you guys even resented my success based on your body language and attitude.

      You can always do something else. I am sure you can do more than just policework.

      I am with you Kent

  • Kentucky Jim

    :arrow: Storm
    I have to agree with Storm. Sure we hear at this website about all the LEO that take the constitution seriously, but I was seriously shocked when the law wewnt door to door to disarm citizens in New Orleans then left them helpless and cruised away. (You have all seen the video of three or four cops jumping a senior granny to get her gun simply because she had a gun in her own home.) Those cops do not post on this web site and I have no idea what portion of the force they constitute. So, yeah, I am still very concerned about the military and the peace officers being used against us.

  • the friendly grizzly

    I will likely get blasted right out of the water for this, or even banned. But.. here goes.

    I fear the police as much as I fear a civilian defense force or any other federales. I am old enough where some of my friends had parents who survived Germany’s little experiment with a new world order.

    Each of those parents told me the same thing: the POLICE will be the ones who smile at you one week, and will be herding you into the trucks the next. They obey orders. They do not keep the peace; they enforce the law no matter how ridiculous or repugnant that law may be.

    i am sure not all are like that, but enough are. Give it some thought, folks, that’s all I ask.

    • Storm 0311

      Dittos!

      Alot of WWII info on the subject is priceless.

      Also remember Hitler got his start as a socialist.

      Right now we are seeing Facist tendencys in our government.(you know governments fireing ceo’s and like stuff…thug stuff..)

  • ignifer

    you HAVE the video of the Natl Guardsman saying ” yeah” when asked if he meant he would fire on civvie citizens of ordered to do so and they had the audacity to want to resist being disarmed because a particularly bad storm came thru town.. you HAVE the videos of ol ladies being wrestled to the ground for wanting to keep her peashooter.
    Waco and Ruby Ridge and 40 years of militarized police and the loss of posse comitatus, and cops who dont seem to be able to put the 2 and 2 together regarding increased govt bearing down on the populace with the COPS being the tool…
    I respect someone who takes it on themselves to protect society.It is a necessity, but I have seen too much. I KNOW cops are trained to trick someone out of constitutionally protected rights during an encounter if the citizens isnt aware of their rights.
    This I cannot respect.
    Cops like people are case by case I suppose, but I believe most will see enforcing tyranny as doing their duty until its too late. Hope Im wrong. Yes this post contains typos….

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  • knot

    Good article.

    The problem is, it is never hard to find someone willing to take illegal orders. Especially young people in a tough job market. I doubt the employment situation will become better if our nation continues on a self destructive path.

    Inspiring to hear all the LEO’s coming forward to stand for our rights. I encourage each of you to stay in the service if (as?) things go south, rather than resign. I hope that you will use your leadership to teach and encourage others to believe and behave as you do. Be a living example.

    Better to have a small revolt in the P.D. resulting in a big press fiasco than a large revolt with a willing and compliant press basking in the blood-letting.

    • the friendly grizzly

      These people talk a good story, but… When the time comes, how many of them will THINK “H’mm. Follow orders or lose the pension?” Three seconds later, they will SAY “Raus! Raus!! Into the trucks!”

  • DJR

    The Honduran Military took the courageous step in
    protecting and enforcing their Country’s Law of
    the Land, their Constitution. Obama’s critical
    statements of their actions show the kind of regard
    he has for the Honduran Constitution as well as
    the Untited States Constitution. My hope and prayer
    is that our Military has the same courage and will
    to stay faithfull to their oath to preserve the
    home of the free and the brave.

  • Rick

    There are a number of military and LEOs who understand the meaning of the Constitution and the basics of our government. However, that was of no matter after Hurricane Katrina when the police in New Orleans disarmed with force innocent citizens. It required a suit to get those weapons returned. I dont belive all the problem LEOs are in New Orleans. History has shown Americans will turn on themselves as fast as any other people. It pays to be aware of your freinds and the world around you.

  • Vanessa

    There is nothing wrong with saying the truth.
    Our Forefathers knew this day would come and told us to abolish our government and start fresh when they became corrupted.

    You take away a mans right to arm and defend himself and his loved ones and what you have left basically is yourself as everyother man in any nation around the world at the mercy of those over you.
    That is never a good place to be because power corrupts it always does and the proof is history and all those murdered all over the whole world by their governments made up of humans corrupted by power.

    That is why each American has not only the Right but the Duty to keep and bear arms.

  • jack

    I’m currently an MSII in Army ROTC. If it comforts you guys any, there’s no way in hell that I’m going to obey an order to confiscate firearms. And yes… I know that I’ll probably end up going to jail for it, but whatever. I recently talked to a Marine, and he feels the same way. I think that there are enough good people in the military right now that it would be hard for Obama to use us to confiscate firearms. Yeah… There’s the occasional douchebag who just wants power, but overall, I have a feeling that there are enough people in the military that will not disobey the Constitution.

  • FrankInFL

    I truly appreciate all the good words I hear coming from LE here. I worry if they actually mean what they say.

    Each day we hear of some LEO somewhere who so badly abuses their authority (often causing death) AND GETS AWAY WITH IT that I have to ask: where are the good guys to make sure such scumbags don’t have the protection of a Blue Wall Of Silence? Where are the good guys who think the object of “to serve and protect” is other than themselves?

    Why are we not finding bad cops face-down in muddy ditches? It seems that all the LEOs here are saying “all of are on your side; all cops are good cops”, but we know that’s not true. If the good cops won’t protect us from the bad cops, are they really all that good?

  • Badger

    Kent,

    You don’t merely have a problem with the left or this administration, you have a problem with the world and we’re all in it. Who the hell are you? And should we be awarded someone like you and your expertise in our camp in a situation like this? We’d be vaporized by way of your self conversation of whose better, your strategy is better, you’re the better leader. BS Dude!

    You come to my camp and you’ve just purchased two new nostrils. Infighting is the last thing one needs in this atmosphere and we don’t have to wait for any revolution, your displaying it right here. I can tell ya this, if there is any situation that could arise where we have to give somebody up in order for the majority to survive? Guess who has their best chances of survival alone by their own admission? Get trottin Kent…..and good luck tough guy……

    • http://www.kentforliberty.com Kent McManigal

      I only have a problem with people who think it is OK to harm those who do not deserve it at this moment. “Right” and “left” are meaningless; it is “authoritarian” or “libertarian” ONLY. Either you think it is OK to coerce others who are harming no one, or you don’t. I don’t. That is the difference between having ethics or having situational “ethics”. “It’s OK as long as ‘our guys’ are doing it.” And since coercion and monopolized force is all any authoritarian government has at its foundation, I have a problem with them all. No government except self-government will ever work or ever has. I don’t claim to be a “tough guy” or anything so juvenile. Just be assured I would never hand you over to the death-squads, no matter what path you might take. That is the difference between you and me.

    • Badger

      Kent,

      I understand and appreciate your response however, what lunatic would be okay with anyone harming anyone who doesn’t deserve it?

      In your world “Right” “Left” “Sideways” and “Upside down” are as meaningless to you as they are to me.

      Who wouldn’t stipulate to your hypothesis of authoritarian vs libertarian? Dictatorship vs. the doctrine of free will? This is a no brainer and I take issue with you even bringing this up. I take no side or defense of but my own with my fellow citizens a very, very close second.

      Your response gives me no movement whatsoever so let’s go directly to the point in which we do meet. Your statement of “No government except self-government will ever work or ever has” is speaking to me. So now what?

      It doesn’t matter what life dynamic comes up, whether in business, family, life in general or political philosophy, one cannot do it alone. It’s obvious and proven throughout history that it’s impossible Kent. I agree with 99% of your thesis but I still stand by the spirit of my previous post response to you.

      Likewise my friend and fellow citizen, I not only would never hand you over to a death squad but would sacrifice my life in making sure that would never happen.

      Peace

      Badger

  • DAve

    What is there to think about?

    How ’bout not having a job and thus no way to support your family?

    There is honor in honoring one’s oath but there’s the very real issue of being able to feed your kids.

    This is not as easy as it sounds for those of us who haven’t thought too much about it past posturing-

  • hotel26

    I think it’ll go along lines like this…..
    Cops:… knock,knock.
    Citizen: what you want?
    Cops: any guns here?
    Citizen: nope!
    Cops: ok thanks, next house guys.

    We’re already seing signs of revolution but it’s coming from the Liberal side of the isle, they’re fearful of their re-election chances and are siding with their constituents.
    I do hope it doesn’t come to a fight but it might well do.

    Per Ardua :???:

  • RedTerror

    I’ve read through about half of the comments, so I’m not sure whether this was ultimately brought up, but here goes anyway.

    For decades, this formerly great nation of ours had been impoverished, emasculated, and polarized/divided at the hands of our plutocrat oppressors… and they have largely succeeded. They have cultivated/imported a vast class of ethnically heterogeneous handout seekers, including illegal aliens, and brainwashed several generations of otherwise normal children via the public “education” system. The impoverished and divided are less able to resist, and to this end they have wielded taxation, understated inflation, the media, “anti-hate” laws and other mechanisms with frightening efficiency.

    One further masterful wedge of division will address the pro-Constitutional stance some or most in the police and military espouse. This will come in the form of engineered “false flag” attacks. For instance, a cop’s family may be slaughtered by “right wing extremists”. A bus-load of Army recruits may be bombed. Perhaps an imported Middle-Easterner with a dirty bomb will be let loose. This can continue as long as necessary before passing Patriot Act 2 and seeding doubt if not outright hate into the hearts of many a LEO/military man.

    An age-old technique, it’s worked for Hitler, Putin (e.g. Moscow apartment bombings to foment Chechen War and manufacture crisis to ensure re-election), Bush, and it’ll work for the current Communist-in-Chief. We are not dealing with amateurs, and the sensible expectation is that black ops / information warfare will be top-notch and very effective.

    Lastly, how many cops do you figure are gung-ho now about climbing the barricades for the Constitution, but will quickly wilt when they look at the children and the diminishing larder, and get a swift kick in the midsection from the wife? “Get your stupid ass to work and bring home the gov’t cheese!” “Yes, ma’am…”

    When it comes down to it, most everyone who is not rural, dependent on the supermarket as they are, will do whatever is necessary to feed their families. Our Masters just need to make things bad enough for people to be sufficiently desperate that they will follow any orders.

    As others have mentioned, the buildup of domestic counter-insurgency forces continues, and you don’t see people turning in their commissions or badges. The online stuff is all sifted by Google, NSA, etc. Those that open their mouths online are known, in a database, and hey, the current census handily recorded the GPS coordinates of everyone’s residence.

    I think dark days are ahead for the freedom-seeking citizens. Resistance against drones overflying homes on the DHS watch list is mostly futile. One option is to attempt to identify the plutocrats and their true enforcers and take the fight to them and their families. Make numerous examples, that others may think twice.

  • D. Cleveland

    There is a lot of folks taking shots at the LEOs and Military types. Truth is that it takes all kinds, good, bad and indifferent to make-up American society. There are out of control civilians, out of control cops and out of control grunts; just like there are courageous, steady and honest people in all those groups.

    Concerning the trust or lack of trust amongst these groups of Americans; one of the earlier postings made the most pertinent statement you will ever hear.

    Get to know your neighbors and your community. You “civilians” will find that you have LEOs and Soldiers living close by and if you don’t know them – maybe you need to. Cops and soldiers will answer most any reasonable question you ask them and would rather meet and get to know you out of uniform, than meet you at work in uniform. Could be you’ll discover that cops are not so different from yourself. They worry about their familys; children, Grandchildren, ect ect. You need to remember that cops can’t assume that all their kids and all their relatives can become cops and in so doing keep protecting the entire family by virtue of some vast LEO nepotism. Most LEOs have family and extended family that are not LEOs and won’t ever be. A majority of LEOs these days are prior and/or active military. The U.S. Military is the best educated, most highly skilled and trained Military the world has ever seen. Part of that education is on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights; a lot of it self-education and shared knowledge amongst the troops.

    Cops cut a lot of people, a lot of slack every single day that passes. Warning instead of arrest; a blip of the flashers or siren; telling me my brake lights quit working and following me home so I didn’t get hit the ass. That sort of stuff doesn’t make it on the six o’clock news.
    And by the way – I’ve been a “civilian” for twenty-five years and more; after serving two hitchs with the Army Security Agency, out of Ft. Bragg. But, hell -I’m still a Soldier in philosophy and attitude.

    Some few of you have a lot of your personal self-image invested in distrusting and disliking LEOs and for you nothing much else will suffice. So be it. As long as you are backing the Constitution and love this country – I don’t care who you like or dislike on a persaonal basis.

    I believe it will ultimately come to blood and steel; and Freedom will live or die for the entire World – right here in the U.S., where it was born. For myself, I can’t think of anything I’d rather die for. If that’s what it come to – hell, lets dance.

    D. Cleveland

    • Roger T

      I concur! :beer:

  • Tom

    AMEN! Red Terror, I think you nailed it quite well.

  • RedTerror

    Mind you, I am not at all intent on taking rhetorical pot shots at LEO/military as a personal axe grinding exercise. I’m just saying that, faced with the prospect of a hungry family, people whose job it is to follow orders are fairly likely to choose family over principle, whether they wield an M4 or a bureaucrat’s pen. This doesn’t seem controversial, particularly if we consider that, over the course of human history, people seem only too willing to do all sorts of unkind things in the name of following orders. Refusal is the incredibly rare exception.

    It also bears stating that doing these unkind things to strangers is much easier than to people one knows. Thus, in the countryside, where the sheriff’s office is staffed with people connected to the community, and where LEOs can count on family/community for provender, the potential for refusing draconian orders is pretty good. With a city PD, or a Federal citizen-suppression unit, the lack of a personal connection to the target population provides the necessary indifference, the lack of emotional salience if you will.

    I have heard it from many corners, and wholeheartedly agree, that establishing informal community networks with known like-minded solid individuals is of utmost importance and needs to happen right now. Not to plan revolution, but to plan community security with respect to, say, looters, and to offer each other neighborly assistance with preparations. If the looters happen to be wearing uniforms, so be it.

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  • Provider

    The more everyone emulates the MORMANS on food storage, the less incentive you have to sell out on your principles so that you can feed your child.

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  • http://www.dirtydozensbunker.com Sanders

    Well, I had a 1911A1 stolen out of my vehicle before Thanksgiving. I called the police and filed a report. The officer who took the report botched it so badly, if I had not followed up and seen it and had corrections made, the pistol would never had made it to NICs and it would not have come up as stolen when the thief was caught.

    The cop who caught the thief called me, personally, and told me he had recovered my pistol, and after the case was adjudicated, he wanted to make sure I got it back. He gave me his personal cell number and I kept in touch with him once a month until the time came and I was able to get my pistol back. He made sure that Evidence knew I was coming to get it and that everything went smoothly.

    The cop also told me he wanted to see honest citizens carry firearms – that it makes his job easier. He also mentioned that I should carry it and not lock it in my vehicle. I asked him if he would arrest me if I were in a “gun free” zone for following his suggestion. He had no comment on that.

  • Remember to Breathe

    “If the other persons weapon is pointed
    in the same direction as your’s, stand with them.

    If it is pointed at you, ensure that,
    they will never stand again…”

  • Reg

    As a former LEO/former military, allow me to remind you that “foreign troops” doesn’t have to mean soldiers wearing blue berets. A good number of the gun confiscations in New Orleans post-Katrina were carried out by California Highway Patrolmen. The citizens of New Orleans were”foreign” to them, making it easier for them to justify their illegal seizure of personal firearms.

    Having worked for CHP for over ten years (albeit in Communications), I can tell you there are good TOs (traffic officers) and bad ones. But most of them _will_ (and have, of course) arrest for laws that are blatantly unConstitutional. Remember that many of the younger, newer officers are being taught to “enforce the law”, not “keep the peace”. They believe a law on the books must be enforced, no matter if harm is being done or not. The older TOs (and other older state and local cops) who might resist disarming “civilians” are retiring, and the newer LEOs have no problem with arresting for almost any violation of “the law”.

    So, with a present day culture of “law enforcement”, with out-of-state cops being deployed in your community, and the fact that many cops won’t be willing to deprive their families of that paycheck (as has been stated already), do NOT expect the majority of LEOs to support your right to bear arms when the socialists demand they be confiscated. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you . . .

  • Pointman870

    We all agree that we will defend America and the Constitution, but what happens when the Constitution is changed to reflect what we fear? What constitution will you defend? How can we protect the original Constitution we have sworn to protect?

  • ZSU 23/4

    Kent:you sound like a real asshole,you know,the types
    that are really down on cops for every reason they can
    come up with.Sure as hell hope if you ever need a cop they take their time because they are finishing their
    “donut break”.See how you yell then.

    JOHN…GOOD JOB GOT YOUR BACK PAL!!