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	<title>Comments on:  Saudis Give Israel The Go-Ahead To Bomb Iran</title>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/07/saudis-give-israel-the-go-ahead-to-bomb-iran/#comment-485425</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we can debate the pros &amp; cons of taking action during this time of political unrest in Iran.  The bottom line is that Israel is in the immediate cross-hairs of Iran&#039;s nuclear ambitions and they will make a decision as to when the time is right (if ever) to take action.  I&#039;m sure they are better informed then I.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we can debate the pros &amp; cons of taking action during this time of political unrest in Iran.  The bottom line is that Israel is in the immediate cross-hairs of Iran&#8217;s nuclear ambitions and they will make a decision as to when the time is right (if ever) to take action.  I&#8217;m sure they are better informed then I.</p>
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		<title>By: Ji</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/07/saudis-give-israel-the-go-ahead-to-bomb-iran/#comment-485358</link>
		<dc:creator>Ji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammed if we do bomb, dammed if we don&#039;t.
Israel is still heavily dependent on the US for fuel, bombs and spare parts and money.
All things must come to pass, for GOD&#039;s purpose to be fulfilled.
The way I look at it is, everything is going to hell and I am along for the ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammed if we do bomb, dammed if we don&#8217;t.<br />
Israel is still heavily dependent on the US for fuel, bombs and spare parts and money.<br />
All things must come to pass, for GOD&#8217;s purpose to be fulfilled.<br />
The way I look at it is, everything is going to hell and I am along for the ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff wrote: Iâ€™m sorry but bombing Iran at this point in time is just not a smart idea. I will defer to intelligence sources though and if they think that Iran is about to launch a nuke then go for it.

What intelligence sources are saying that??? Waiting for them to launch?? .. WTF?? What about bombs that are loaded onto trucks, onto ships, onto planes, or onto newer/faster yet-to-be-bought missile delivery systems. What about bombs that aren&#039;t loaded, but instead sold, given, donated to other other organiziations. What about all of the nuclear waste that will be produced that will cheap and ripe material for dirty bombs (smuggled into Lebanon and Gaza and Syria). 

Quick question for you. How is Israel supposed to respond to Al Qaeda or Hezbollah or Fattah or simply angry mooslim man number 4323884 once one of these set off a nuclear device in Isreal?  

Seriously, letting Iran go nuclear is just a fucking stupid thing to do.

Israel needs to bomb the nuke facilities, key military  and communication sites. 

Oh and if you are worried about pissing on the pro-western youth.. bomb the Basiji compounds and all will be forgiven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff wrote: Iâ€™m sorry but bombing Iran at this point in time is just not a smart idea. I will defer to intelligence sources though and if they think that Iran is about to launch a nuke then go for it.</p>
<p>What intelligence sources are saying that??? Waiting for them to launch?? .. WTF?? What about bombs that are loaded onto trucks, onto ships, onto planes, or onto newer/faster yet-to-be-bought missile delivery systems. What about bombs that aren&#8217;t loaded, but instead sold, given, donated to other other organiziations. What about all of the nuclear waste that will be produced that will cheap and ripe material for dirty bombs (smuggled into Lebanon and Gaza and Syria). </p>
<p>Quick question for you. How is Israel supposed to respond to Al Qaeda or Hezbollah or Fattah or simply angry mooslim man number 4323884 once one of these set off a nuclear device in Isreal?  </p>
<p>Seriously, letting Iran go nuclear is just a fucking stupid thing to do.</p>
<p>Israel needs to bomb the nuke facilities, key military  and communication sites. </p>
<p>Oh and if you are worried about pissing on the pro-western youth.. bomb the Basiji compounds and all will be forgiven.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont we reguarlary sell F-16s to the saudis????</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/07/saudis-give-israel-the-go-ahead-to-bomb-iran/#comment-485178</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Havenâ€™t we been watching for the last 3 decades? No disrespect to you Jeff, but the hope that â€œthe nuclear threat may just go awayâ€ sounds a lot like the head in the sand liberal argument to me.&quot;

Normally I would agree...but when a country goes from having someone who despises the west to millions of people who like the freedoms of the west who are trying to get power it is a different situation. There is a possibility that the people can take back power and become an ally. It is unlikely but it would be a great outcome. And during this time I am still advocating vigilance and any sign of nuclear weapon construction should be dealt with.

Yes they have ballistic missiles and centrifuges but that is still a long way from making a nuke. Even if they had a nuclear device, putting it on a ballistic missile is a big chore in of itself. So our spies and intel sources should keep an eye on this and once something looks like a credible attempt or attack, a decision to strike can be made. 

&quot;This statement also sounds a lot like the liberal argument that we are responsible for the decisions &amp; actions of Iran to pursue nuclear technology capable of creating nuclear weapons when they are sitting on one of the worlds largest oil supplies.&quot;

Iran&#039;s problem is they have a lot of oil but no refineries. They need to import their gasoline which is why their economy is so broken. They can sell all the oil they want but they do not have the facilities to turn it into gasoline or usable oil in power plants and cars. Is Iran looking into nuclear power, probably. Are they more interested in a nuclear weapon, most definitely. 

&quot;This idea is BS, they teach (brainwash) their people to hate Israel &amp; the U.S. and simply because the Iranian people are unhappy with their current government/leadership does not change the decades of brainwashing &amp; hate.&quot;

Yes they do. But there are also millions of Iranians who do not fall for that BS. Especially after these past elections. The millions of Iranians saw the rest of the world come out to support them, even Israelis. They saw the embassies in Tehran that opened their doors while their government killed them. It is a lot bigger than just a small disagreement with their government. Which is why I said it might be worth it to let them sort out their country while we just closely watch. There is a lot to gain at very little cost to us. However, if we struck now we might gain a little but at the larger loss of the Iranian government getting more power and cracking down on the people who are more friendly to the west. Thus being in a better position to accelerate their nuclear research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Havenâ€™t we been watching for the last 3 decades? No disrespect to you Jeff, but the hope that â€œthe nuclear threat may just go awayâ€ sounds a lot like the head in the sand liberal argument to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Normally I would agree&#8230;but when a country goes from having someone who despises the west to millions of people who like the freedoms of the west who are trying to get power it is a different situation. There is a possibility that the people can take back power and become an ally. It is unlikely but it would be a great outcome. And during this time I am still advocating vigilance and any sign of nuclear weapon construction should be dealt with.</p>
<p>Yes they have ballistic missiles and centrifuges but that is still a long way from making a nuke. Even if they had a nuclear device, putting it on a ballistic missile is a big chore in of itself. So our spies and intel sources should keep an eye on this and once something looks like a credible attempt or attack, a decision to strike can be made. </p>
<p>&#8220;This statement also sounds a lot like the liberal argument that we are responsible for the decisions &amp; actions of Iran to pursue nuclear technology capable of creating nuclear weapons when they are sitting on one of the worlds largest oil supplies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Iran&#8217;s problem is they have a lot of oil but no refineries. They need to import their gasoline which is why their economy is so broken. They can sell all the oil they want but they do not have the facilities to turn it into gasoline or usable oil in power plants and cars. Is Iran looking into nuclear power, probably. Are they more interested in a nuclear weapon, most definitely. </p>
<p>&#8220;This idea is BS, they teach (brainwash) their people to hate Israel &amp; the U.S. and simply because the Iranian people are unhappy with their current government/leadership does not change the decades of brainwashing &amp; hate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes they do. But there are also millions of Iranians who do not fall for that BS. Especially after these past elections. The millions of Iranians saw the rest of the world come out to support them, even Israelis. They saw the embassies in Tehran that opened their doors while their government killed them. It is a lot bigger than just a small disagreement with their government. Which is why I said it might be worth it to let them sort out their country while we just closely watch. There is a lot to gain at very little cost to us. However, if we struck now we might gain a little but at the larger loss of the Iranian government getting more power and cracking down on the people who are more friendly to the west. Thus being in a better position to accelerate their nuclear research.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://patdollard.com/2009/07/saudis-give-israel-the-go-ahead-to-bomb-iran/#comment-485133</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if we carefully watch the situation and let the Iranian people sort out their government then the nuclear threat may just go away on its own and we have another ally in the Middle East.&quot;

Haven&#039;t we been watching for the last 3 decades?  No disrespect to you Jeff, but the hope that &quot;the nuclear threat may just go away&quot; sounds a lot like the head in the sand liberal argument to me.  

Correct me if I&#039;m wrong but doesn&#039;t Iran already possess the centrifuges necessary to produce weapons grade material?  And ballistic missiles with an effective range great enough to strike Israel?

&quot;We should not give him what he wants. It was hilarious to see him flounder when he really could not verbally attack Obama or America because we were not threatening them anymore.&quot;

I&#039;m sure Israel is laughing too.  :roll:

This statement also sounds a lot like the liberal argument that we are responsible for the decisions &amp; actions of Iran to pursue nuclear technology capable of creating nuclear weapons when they are sitting on one of the worlds largest oil supplies.

This idea is BS, they teach (brainwash) their people to hate Israel &amp; the U.S. and simply because the Iranian people are unhappy with their current government/leadership does not change the decades of brainwashing &amp; hate.

If you want to make that argument it would best be stated as follows:

&#039;If Israel &amp; the U.S. didn&#039;t exist Iran wouldn&#039;t need to pursuing nuclear weapons.&#039;

But, we all know this is a BS argument, because even if there was no Israel or U.S. that wouldn&#039;t stop them from hating some other population now would it (i.e. Shi&#039;ite, Sunni).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if we carefully watch the situation and let the Iranian people sort out their government then the nuclear threat may just go away on its own and we have another ally in the Middle East.&#8221;</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t we been watching for the last 3 decades?  No disrespect to you Jeff, but the hope that &#8220;the nuclear threat may just go away&#8221; sounds a lot like the head in the sand liberal argument to me.  </p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but doesn&#8217;t Iran already possess the centrifuges necessary to produce weapons grade material?  And ballistic missiles with an effective range great enough to strike Israel?</p>
<p>&#8220;We should not give him what he wants. It was hilarious to see him flounder when he really could not verbally attack Obama or America because we were not threatening them anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Israel is laughing too.  <img src='http://patdollard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This statement also sounds a lot like the liberal argument that we are responsible for the decisions &amp; actions of Iran to pursue nuclear technology capable of creating nuclear weapons when they are sitting on one of the worlds largest oil supplies.</p>
<p>This idea is BS, they teach (brainwash) their people to hate Israel &amp; the U.S. and simply because the Iranian people are unhappy with their current government/leadership does not change the decades of brainwashing &amp; hate.</p>
<p>If you want to make that argument it would best be stated as follows:</p>
<p>&#8216;If Israel &amp; the U.S. didn&#8217;t exist Iran wouldn&#8217;t need to pursuing nuclear weapons.&#8217;</p>
<p>But, we all know this is a BS argument, because even if there was no Israel or U.S. that wouldn&#8217;t stop them from hating some other population now would it (i.e. Shi&#8217;ite, Sunni).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their definition of freedom is no different than ours. They do not want a dictator and they do not want a theocracy. They want what they were promised, a republic where their votes count and the freedom to speak out and do what they want. Not what a couple clerics deem is right. 

I do not disagree that if you see a chance to deal a decisive blow you may lose out if you don&#039;t take it. But there is a lot more going on. If anyone attacks Iran it is a guarantee that the public will shift some of their hate away from their government and their government attains more power and more emboldened to create a nuclear weapon. However, if we carefully watch the situation and let the Iranian people sort out their government then the nuclear threat may just go away on its own and we have another ally in the Middle East. 

I am not saying ignore the threat but stay vigilant and let what is happening in Iran work itself out. Ahmadinejad is probably praying every night for someone to attack his country so he can step up and do his america and israel are the devil bit. We should not give him what he wants. It was hilarious to see him flounder when he really could not verbally attack Obama or America because we were not threatening them anymore. It was a big reason he started falling out of favor, he kept blaming so many things on America instead of fixing his own country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their definition of freedom is no different than ours. They do not want a dictator and they do not want a theocracy. They want what they were promised, a republic where their votes count and the freedom to speak out and do what they want. Not what a couple clerics deem is right. </p>
<p>I do not disagree that if you see a chance to deal a decisive blow you may lose out if you don&#8217;t take it. But there is a lot more going on. If anyone attacks Iran it is a guarantee that the public will shift some of their hate away from their government and their government attains more power and more emboldened to create a nuclear weapon. However, if we carefully watch the situation and let the Iranian people sort out their government then the nuclear threat may just go away on its own and we have another ally in the Middle East. </p>
<p>I am not saying ignore the threat but stay vigilant and let what is happening in Iran work itself out. Ahmadinejad is probably praying every night for someone to attack his country so he can step up and do his america and israel are the devil bit. We should not give him what he wants. It was hilarious to see him flounder when he really could not verbally attack Obama or America because we were not threatening them anymore. It was a big reason he started falling out of favor, he kept blaming so many things on America instead of fixing his own country.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is surprising that, with all that oil money, Saudi Arabia doesnâ€™t have its own fighting airforce.&quot;

They do have an Air Force, we trained them.  It is just more convenience to simply allow Israel to do the work for them &amp; then later use the attack for anti-Israel propaganda.

&quot;Iâ€™m sorry but bombing Iran at this point in time is just not a smart idea.&quot;

I disagree 100%, while the Iranian people fight for &quot;freedom&quot; their definition of freedom &amp; ours are two completely different things.  Furthermore, if an opportunity presents itself for you to deliver a decisive blow to your enemies ability to commit mass murder, then don&#039;t wimp out or you may not exist after they develop the bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is surprising that, with all that oil money, Saudi Arabia doesnâ€™t have its own fighting airforce.&#8221;</p>
<p>They do have an Air Force, we trained them.  It is just more convenience to simply allow Israel to do the work for them &amp; then later use the attack for anti-Israel propaganda.</p>
<p>&#8220;Iâ€™m sorry but bombing Iran at this point in time is just not a smart idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree 100%, while the Iranian people fight for &#8220;freedom&#8221; their definition of freedom &amp; ours are two completely different things.  Furthermore, if an opportunity presents itself for you to deliver a decisive blow to your enemies ability to commit mass murder, then don&#8217;t wimp out or you may not exist after they develop the bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but bombing Iran at this point in time is just not a smart idea. I will defer to intelligence sources though and if they think that Iran is about to launch a nuke then go for it. 

However, the government in Iran is severely weakened after these past elections and a good majority of the population no longer like their government. If an outside country were to attack Iran, it would only give the people someone else to hate and a justifiable reason for Iran&#039;s government to crackdown on their citizens. 

It&#039;s a tricky and complicated situation. The only thing that would be just as worse would be Obama or any other country talking to Iran to try and get them to back down. Their government is not legitimate and there should be no talks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but bombing Iran at this point in time is just not a smart idea. I will defer to intelligence sources though and if they think that Iran is about to launch a nuke then go for it. </p>
<p>However, the government in Iran is severely weakened after these past elections and a good majority of the population no longer like their government. If an outside country were to attack Iran, it would only give the people someone else to hate and a justifiable reason for Iran&#8217;s government to crackdown on their citizens. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tricky and complicated situation. The only thing that would be just as worse would be Obama or any other country talking to Iran to try and get them to back down. Their government is not legitimate and there should be no talks.</p>
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		<title>By: fullcirclethinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>fullcirclethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this situation, the old Arab saying is true: &quot;The enemy of my enemy is my friend&quot;, but only as a matter of convenience.  It is surprising that, with all that oil money, Saudi Arabia doesn&#039;t have its own fighting airforce.  Also, remember: these people (both Arab and Israelis) have the same biological ancestor in Abraham but, as it is shown time and again, the Arab nations are continually at each others throats, just as God revealed regarding Ishmael and all his (arab) descendants. This to Hagar, Sarah&#039;s servant, out of Genesis chapter 16 verses 11 and 12:

â€œ Behold, you are with child,
      And you shall bear a son.
      You shall call his name Ishmael,
      Because the LORD has heard your affliction.

  He shall be a wild man;
      His hand shall be against every man,
      And every manâ€™s hand against him.
      And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.â€ 

Without a doubt, the only stable people throughout the middle east, is found solely in the nation of Israel.  Should we turn our backs on them, we are doomed!  Go get &#039;em Israel!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this situation, the old Arab saying is true: &#8220;The enemy of my enemy is my friend&#8221;, but only as a matter of convenience.  It is surprising that, with all that oil money, Saudi Arabia doesn&#8217;t have its own fighting airforce.  Also, remember: these people (both Arab and Israelis) have the same biological ancestor in Abraham but, as it is shown time and again, the Arab nations are continually at each others throats, just as God revealed regarding Ishmael and all his (arab) descendants. This to Hagar, Sarah&#8217;s servant, out of Genesis chapter 16 verses 11 and 12:</p>
<p>â€œ Behold, you are with child,<br />
      And you shall bear a son.<br />
      You shall call his name Ishmael,<br />
      Because the LORD has heard your affliction.</p>
<p>  He shall be a wild man;<br />
      His hand shall be against every man,<br />
      And every manâ€™s hand against him.<br />
      And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.â€ </p>
<p>Without a doubt, the only stable people throughout the middle east, is found solely in the nation of Israel.  Should we turn our backs on them, we are doomed!  Go get &#8216;em Israel!!</p>
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