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Despite Sinking Public Option, Fines Proposed For Not Bowing Down To New Healthcare Legislation



Sep 9, 2009 30 Comments ›› Erik Wong

Obama Health Care Overhaul

WASHINGTON (AP) – Americans would be fined up to $3,800 for failing to buy health insurance under a plan that circulated in Congress on Tuesday as President Barack Obama met Democratic leaders to search for ways to salvage his health care overhaul.

In advance of what Obama hopes will be a game-changing speech to lawmakers, the one idea that most appeals to the Democrats’ liberal base lost ground in Congress. Prospects for a government-run plan to compete with private insurers sank as a leading moderate said he could no longer support the idea.

The fast-moving developments put Obama in a box. As a candidate, he opposed fines to force individuals to buy health insurance, and he supported setting up a government insurance plan.

Democratic leaders put on a bold front as they left the White House after their meeting with the president.

“We’re re-energized; we’re ready to do health care reform,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., insisted the public plan is still politically viable. “I believe that a public option will be essential to our passing a bill in the House of Representatives,” she said.

After a month of contentious forums, Americans were seeking specifics from the president in his speech to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night. So were his fellow Democrats, divided on how best to solve the problem of the nation’s nearly 50 million uninsured.

The latest proposal: a bipartisan compromise that Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., a moderate who heads the influential Finance Committee, was trying to broker.

Baucus, meeting with a small group of fellow senators, promoted a plan that would guarantee coverage for nearly all Americans at a cost to taxpayers of under $900 billion over 10 years.

Some experts consider that a relative bargain because the country now spends about $2.5 trillion a year on health care. But it would require hefty fees on insurers, drug companies and others in the health care industry to help pay for it.

Just as auto coverage is now mandatory in most states, Baucus would a require that all Americans get health insurance once the system is overhauled. Penalties for failing to get insurance would start at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. Households making more than three times the federal poverty level – about $66,000 for a family of four – would face the maximum fines. For families, it would be $3,800, and for individuals, $950.

Baucus would offer tax credits to help pay premiums for households making up to three times the poverty level, and for small employers paying about average middle-class wages. People working for companies that offer coverage could avoid the fines by signing up.

The fines pose a dilemma for Obama. As a candidate, the president campaigned hard against making health insurance a requirement, and fining people for not getting it.

“Punishing families who can’t afford health care to begin with just doesn’t make sense,” he said during his party’s primaries. At the time, he proposed mandatory insurance only for children.

White House officials have since backed away somewhat from Obama’s opposition to mandated coverage for all, but there’s no indication that Obama would support fines.

One idea that Obama championed during and since the campaign – a government insurance option – appeared to be sinking fast.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters a Medicare-like plan for middle-class Americans and their families isn’t an essential part of legislation for him. Hoyer’s comments came shortly after a key Democratic moderate said he could no longer back a bill that includes a new government plan.

The fast-moving developments left liberals in a quandary. They’ve drawn a line, saying they won’t vote for legislation if it doesn’t include a public plan to compete with private insurance companies and force them to lower costs.

Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., who once supported a public option, said Tuesday that after hearing from constituents during the August recess, he’s changed his mind.

“If House leadership presents a final bill that contains a government-run public option, I will oppose it,” Ross said.

Obama’s commitment to a public plan has been in question and lawmakers hoped his speech to Congress would make his position on that clear.

He’s called a public plan an important tool to help check the excesses of private industry. But his aides suggested on the weekend that he could sign legislation even if it does not include a public option.

In the Senate, the public plan is not part of Baucus’ proposal. He’s calling for nonprofit co-ops to compete in the marketplace instead.

An 18-page summary of the Baucus proposal was obtained by The Associated Press. The complex plan would make dozens of changes in the health care system, many of them contentious. For example, it includes new fees on insurers, drug companies, medical device manufacturers and clinical labs.

It would require insurers to take all applicants, regardless of age or health. But smokers could be charged higher premiums. And 60-year-olds could be charged five times as much for a policy as 20-year-olds.

People working for major employers would probably not see big changes. The plan is geared to helping those who now have the hardest time getting and keeping coverage: the self-employed and small business owners. New purchasing pools would be set up in each state, allowing them to band together and get some of the advantages big companies now have.


  • David

    So now I will be fined if I don’t purchase health care? Typical liberal logic. And the cost for the liberals plan is “reduced” to 900 billion? The liberals and the rest of the WHORES in congress toss around figures without any care for their accuracy. Next they will say, “Ooops, we ‘misunderestimated’ the cost, it is really 1.5 trillion.” And that “estimate” will be low. The WHORES can’t do anything right and we need to vote them out of office in 2010. “Stand up, America.” -Glenn Beck

  • http://www.accdf.com aboutTObegin

    they are forcing us to become outlaws…and when that happens, REAL problems start to come to fruition.

    -aTb :gun: :gun: :gun:

  • Caligula

    I WILL NOT PAY FUCKING FINES TO THESE ASSHOLES. TRY TO COME AFTER ME, TRY TO ARREST ME, SEE WHAT WEAPON I STICK IN YOUR FACE! I DARE YOU! I FUCKING DARE YOU! YOU LEFT WING COMMUNIST ASSHOLES!!

    :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

    • http://www.who2.com/ask/guyfawkes.html Guy

      You intend to wait until they come for you?

  • USNA1985

    Healthcare Reform:

    1. Portability – competition reduces costs

    2. Tort Reform – elimination of frivolous (sic) lawsuits reduces costs

    3. Eliminate state mandates – reduces costs

    Problem solved, and no government take over required. When you examine these easy reform measures that are basically fucking FREE, you can only conclude that there is a CONSPIRACY afoot for the government to take over healthcare and thus enabling unlimited CONTROL of the people!!

    • Somefed

      Did you stay in a Holiday Inn last night? :mrgreen:

  • Tellicorick

    Reid and Pelosi remind me of Thelma & Louise in the closing scene; driving that Caddy over the cliff rather than face the reality. I’m sure Pelosi will always be elected by her Gay Bay consituents, but surely Reid will be replaced and he will spend the rest of his days in some broken down cassino trying to hit the jackpot.

    What a couple of real morons; “Damn the Public, Full Speed Ahead”.

    Here’s wishing the both of you Eternal Damnation!

    • http://earthlink nomee1

      :mrgreen: and if we are lucky, as they go the edge they blow up :lol: :lol: . no way they will be re elected

  • http://www.dirtydozensbunker.com Sanders

    Looks like a tax to me. Taxation without representation. I believe some folks had something to say about that a while back.

  • jasjfarrell

    What else is in the bill? There is something in there that is hidden and not being spoken about. Everything else is a smokescreen.

    No, No, No.

  • Tom in CO

    Change!

  • zeeman

    They do it here already in this piece of shit state Massachusetts!

  • ALPHA

    Well I for one have read a good portion of HR3200 and can tell you that it promises a multitude of provisions but doesn’t say how exactly it will be paid for. In addition it is quite clear that your individual care is directly under the governments control, clearance through them alone. The bill is iron clad in how it will completely remove all competitors because even if you keep your existing coverage, the moment you change jobs you are forced to enter the government plan. Say goodbye to small business owners who will be taxed and fined through the nose if this bill goes through. Topped off with fines to individuals? Anarchy on the horizon…

  • dadeo

    Tyrants.

    Wasn’t Saddam a tyrant?

  • http://n/a rightside

    What happens if you don’t pay the $3,800 for a family of 4, end of life consoling.

    • Double Tap

      They will directly tax your wages so that you have no choice but to pay. The only way to get around this is to quit your job and become a whore to the state.

    • Lone Wolf

      The IRS is identified as the enforcement arm (“TITLE IV—AMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986; Subtitle A—Shared Responsibility; PART 1—INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY; SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE”, starting on page 167 of H.R.3200). The IRS already has the power to place liens against your property as well as garnish wages.

      H.R.3200 text here:
      http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

    • http://www.accdf.com aboutTObegin

      then that is when we stop filing taxes!!! and if they try to come and take it, force will be used against force.

      -aTb

  • ReliableRepublicanNoMore

    It’s all so predictable and stupid. Many of the people who voted for Dems and Obama forgot what Democrats really stand for, or maybe they just didn’t care. Well, now they are finally seeing exactly what they are, which is a bunch of European Socialist wannabees. They want America to be like France or Sweden, badly.

    They will pass this turkey into law, no doubt, knowing that they probably won’t survive the next election for doing so, but they are probably calculating that once the people start ingesting the government DRUG of more benefits, they will start liking it and wanting even more. This country is so far gone that I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.

    The average Joe six-pack is more concerned with what’s happening on his favorite TV show, like Cheers, than what’s happening to our country, and that suits the Dems just fine.

  • http://www.accdf.com aboutTObegin

    the thing is they are imposing fines on people that cannot afford insurance, go figure! secondly, it seems to me that their intention is to force public opinion in favor of a government run healthcare bill by digging into their pockets. I don’t think so, and if it happens, like I said before, they are creating outlaws that are TRUE AMERICANS! and thus are firing back at us in this revolution.

    -aTb
    :mad: :mad: :mad:

    • Bobby E

      The thing is I’ll be fined because I’m out of work. Ditto on the non-filing AND non-payment of taxes … I’ve already committed myself to this. It’ll be the only way they can beat us is to put us all in jail. But! … hasn’t that been part of the real plan all along?

  • Gewehrnut

    Unbelievable.

  • Fred

    The best thing that could help this country is to do away with Pelosi, Reid and the many congress people and senate people who want to turn our country into a socialistic country so the government can tell everyone how to live. Germany went thru this and look what happened with Hitler and where they are today. I can’t believe there are people out there who can’t see this happening.

  • http://patdollard.com Average Joe

    It is time to make it where Obama-bots don’t feel safe anywhere.

    We need to TURN UP THE HEAT on them.

    Make them feel UNSAFE everywhere, like they are trying to do to us!!!!!!!!

  • DesignR

    Is this the United States of America or just Obama’s Communist Amerika?

    Are there no adults left in DC? I can’t believe this is happening.

    • cold soldier

      The lunatics are running the asylum my friend

    • MinneSoCold

      Apparently this must be the “two Americas” John Silky-Pony Edwards was talking about.

  • GF

    This has been my problem with Osama’s health care plan from the beginning. This will just make things worse than they are; it will be just like auto insurance. For those youngins that don’t remember auto insurance use to be optional. They promised auto insurance would be cheaper. Now auto premiums are up the wazoo even when the cars are safer and you are a safer driver. Then they try to tie your credit report to your driving skills which is bullshit. Yet the frigin illegals drive around with no auto insurance and cause most the accidents where I’m from.

    Beware the Health Care Industrial Complex. No ones ever lived past 150 and most of us still die around 75 even with all this wonderful health care. When you can get me and most everyone else to 150 then we’ll talk. Till then take your health care and stick it up yer ass.

  • Moultrie

    The bill is nothing but smoke, it will be massaged into a full Government Plan as soon as Obama signs it. It must be defeated in total. Un Constitutional and an impeachable offense! It is time!

  • Moultrie

    The bill is nothing but smoke, it will be massaged into a full Government Plan as soon as Obama signs it. It must be defeated in total. Un Constitutional and an impeachable offense! It is time!