What Great Big Crowds You Have
All the better to protest you with!
On Monday, PJM published my piece titled “March on Washington: How Big Was the Crowd.” It contained several estimates of the actual number of people who attended the mach on the Capitol on September 12.
The legacy media seems to have converged on an estimate of 60,000 to 70,000 people. This appears to be sourced to the D.C. Fire Department, although as several people have pointed out, no one seems to recall any other estimates coming from the D.C. Fire Department. On investigation, it turns out to be Pete Piringer, public affairs officer for the D.C. Fire and Emergency Department, as quoted at Politifact:
[Piringer] said the local government no longer provides official crowd estimates because they can become politicized. But the day of the rally, Piringer unofficially told one reporter that he thought between 60,000 and 75,000 people had shown up.
“It was in no way an official estimate,” he said.
We asked Piringer whether there were enough protesters to fill the National Mall, as depicted in the photograph.
“It was an impressive crowd,” he said. But after marching down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, the crowd “only filled the Capitol grounds, maybe up to Third Street,” he said.
Emphasis mine. Remember those points: “in no way an official estimate” and “filled the Capitol grounds, maybe up to Third Street.”
Some others:
* The Daily Mail first reported 2 million, then scaled it back to 1.2 million.
* Barbara Espinosa reported that actual traffic counters from the march organizers reported about 450,000 crossing Pennsylvania at 11th after about an hour of the march, and nearly 1.5 million total.
* There was also the time-lapse photoset from the traffic camera over the Freedom Plaza, which is where 14th St NW crosses Pennsylvania Avenue at E street.
* Our own estimate of more than 850,000.
* The Noble and Ancient Order of the Gormogons, with an estimate of about 1 million.
* Another estimate by Henry Vanderbilt, reported at Transterrestrial Musings. Using two different methods, Vanderbilt arrived at one estimate of up to 320,000 in the march down Pennsylvania alone, and 350,000 to 500,000 on the Mall and Capitol grounds.
* The estimate of 350,000 from Political Gumbo — and let me just mention: this is the way it’s done, kiddies. Ken Vaughn looked at my computation, made his own, documented his assumptions, and came out with a different number for the number marching on Pennsylvania Ave. Frankly, from his argument, I probably trust this estimate over my original one; remember that it’s only the marchers, though, so it’s certainly a lower bound number as well.
There were several sources that, over time, were clearly spurious, such as the famous “aerial photograph” that turns out to be from a Promise Keepers rally months ago. There were also some spurious debunkings which depended on a claim that the traffic cam photos were from another event, based on the flag at half-mast. I found that a little questionable, because I went to the webcam at Freedom Plaza myself during the march and saw images comparable. If these were being faked, the fakes were being fed into the webcam stream upstream of me. It turns out, in any case, that flags were at half-staff that weekend because of the Patriot Day holiday, and in any case, since then there have been many well-sourced photographs of the crowd from different vantage points; it appears that we should continue to take the traffic cam videos as reliable.
Since I wrote that piece, though, we have two new sources of information. First, the ridership statistics from D.C. Metro became available after being delayed, apparently because of a fatal accident on the Metro tracks. The Heritage Foundation, using these figures, computed that Metrorail ridership was about 235,000 greater than the previous weekend. As they say, that in itself is more than three times the (unreliable and badly sourced) number reported in the legacy media.
Second, there is now a high-resolution photo from FreedomWorks, which you can see in the poster here.
After the issues with the Promise Keepers rally photo, I called FreedomWorks to verify this one. I spoke to Joseph Onorati, who confirmed to me that the photo is from the actual 9/12 rally. It was taken by Matthew A. Beck, a volunteer photographer, from the Capitol itself; he was taken to a high point in the Capitol by Rep. Tom Price (R-GA), one of the speakers at the rally.
Let’s look at the photograph (and it might be worthwhile to look at this Google Map view of the area). It’s a panoramic photo, from about 1st Street on the south side at the left end of the photo, past Maryland Ave, the Mall, and Pennsylvania Ave around to 1st Street again to the north at the right hand end of the photo. In it, we can see that the Mall is indeed full back to about 3rd Street, but that at the time of the photo, Pennsylvania Avenue was also full back to at least 3rd Street, and there are significant numbers of people on 1st and on Maryland. (Remember that the area west of 3rd Street was reserved for another event, but notice that the side paths are very full for a good ways back from there.)
I spoke to Clarice Feldman, a Washington attorney and PJM contributor who was there; she had arrived by another route and ended up in a very crowded area at the base of the Capitol, out of view in this photo. She confirmed that the crowd was very dense; examining this photo suggests the same thing. (Look at the people in the photo. In a dense crowd from a photo from above like this you see only the very upper part of the body; in a less dense crowd you see a larger part of the body.)
Now, let’s look back at the National Park Service method as published in USA Today. If, in fact, the Mall were only as full as a seated crowd of invited guests, as shown in the article, and if the crowd only went to the diagonal streets Pennsylvania and Maryland, then the Park Service method would give an estimate of about 250,000. But a crowd of this sort is rather more dense than a crowd of seated invited guests because of the need for aisles and access in a seating plan; you can see that in the overhead photos of the inauguration.
At this point, with this photograph and the Metrorail ridership, it’s clear that this must be a new lower bound: the “60,000″ number turns out not to be any sort of official estimate. Also, when quoted fully, it turns out that the D.C. Fire Department source agrees with the photo (remember the line I emphasized above?).
One more factor that we haven’t used in any estimate yet: charter buses. There has been variously reported a figure of 4,500 bus parking permits. Now, there were other events on, and I can’t confirm that number reliably. But a busload of people is normally about 50. If only half as many buses as reported were actually there with people who attended the rally, that would account for another 112,000 people.
What can we take away from this exercise? Here are the main points:
* The estimate widely used in the legacy media is not from an authoritative source, and it isn’t even consistent with itself: “full back to 3rd Street” is around 250,000 by Park Sevice methods, not a quarter of that.
* Many estimates, using different assumptions and different methods, arrived at numbers well into the hundreds of thousands.
* This is clearly consistent with the panoramic photo that we can source reliably.
* With everything above, and with several more estimates, I don’t think there is a plausible argument for any total attendance figure much less that 500,000 to 600,000. That is, nearly ten times the reported attendance.
How much does this matter? It’s hard to say. It might be that a precise number isn’t needed, and at any rate it may not be possible to get a good one. What we can say is that the number being reported is wildly wrong. Wildly too small.In any case, the number that will really matter is the count at the polls in 2010 and 2012. Given this, I’d say that any politicians who hope to retain their jobs better look very carefully at that panoramic photo — and remember.







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Eric, The Capitol Police said 1.5 million. Anyone call them?
The high-res photo in the poster that you link to above contains a quote by Samuel Adams that says it all. The actual number down to the last man or woman doesn’t mean a damn thing. Remember, there were gatherings all across the country that coincided with this one on the very same day. Let Washington scoff, brush it off, and ignore it at their own peril.
For those who couldn’t be there, and also for those who might have shown up late (like me) — C-SPAN’s archived coverage.
FreedomWorks Rally - C-SPAN Video Library
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/288868-1
2 hours, 51 minutes
I attended this event and, living outside of NYC, I attended a few New Year’s Eve events (the one’s where it was greater than 20 degrees F (the one’s that bring out bigger crowds). That said, in my opinion, there were at least as many people in DC on 9-12 than any of the New Year’s Eve events.
What blows my mind is that this was a loose, word-of-mouth event. I say this because of the following; the PA system was severely underpowered (showing that the organizers did not expect this crowd), there was a huge lack of vendors that could have made tons of cash and the signs were (with exception of a few) handmade. Most of the day, my friends and I had no idea of who actually organized the rally, who the speakers were going to be or what the schedule was. We simply woke up at 2am, jumped into the car and drove the 5hrs to DC to help deliver a message to the government.
Besides the normal protesting towards the blatant disregard of the Constitution and the policies coming out of this administration and Congress, it was what I didn’t see that added volumes to the overall experience. There was no violence, no damage to property, no arrests, and the people in attendance cleaned up after-themselves. The RESPONSIBLE people who attended this event are the true citizens of this country and have proved themselves, yet again, before anyone’s eyes who wish to look.
One conclusion that I came to while at the rally was that I am sure there was a call to place more police on duty around 8am when the flood of people started to gather. When I arrived I only saw only a few officers at the staging area, by the time the march started I saw a tons of officers on duty. The march was supposed to, as I was later told, organize into groups from the different states and each state was to march individually to the Capital Building in parade-like fashion. There were so many people that the organization was impossible, so much so, that the march that was to start at 11am had to start early (around 10:40am) because the side streets couldn’t hold anymore people without the police having to shut down access to more streets. We had caused grid-lock in the city.
The police officers were professional. When they first came on scene they were, of course, expecting trouble and had their game faces on. They were ready for anything and, I believe, expected the worst. When people started walking up to thank them for doing their job of keepin the public safe, I saw their game face soften. The police were ever vigilant but took the time to talk with anyone about anything without the normal quick answer and “move on” attitude that normally occurs when the responsibility of others falls on one’s shoulders. I saw officers smiling and shaking people’s hands instead of having the need to put those hands in cuffs. The only sirens that wailed were from ambulances that were called to help the elderly attendants that did not deal well with the trek to the Capitol Building or the physical requirements to stand upright for hours.
I saw retired military men, far into the autumn of their lives, marching. It asounded me. They served their country and lead by example. They should be home enjoying themselves, watching their grandchildren or relaxing on a porch swing instead of having to be at a march to, again, defend the Constitution and preserve our freedom. As frail as some were, they still felt and heeded the call to serve their fellow countrymen in vigilant defense against the assault on the Constitution. I applaud them.
It was an astounding event. Something that I will, personally, never forget. I am ready to go again and only require the date to be there. I just hope for the next rally, the permit is obtained to legally use the all of the mall and that an A/V company is called in to place speakers and video throughout the event. I have a feeling next time will have more sponsers, more vendors (I love Capitalism), more high-profile, conservative speakers … and … even more attendees.
Thanx for the excellent report for those that weren’t able to make it.
Your facts & observations, & the manner in which your verbiage conveys them, simply puts State Run Media journos to shame.
Great read.
I was at the march and rally as well, one of the best experiences of my life. I flew into DC from NH in a plane more than half full of protestors. Just flooding out of the subway on a tide of people all with the same beliefs, hopes and fears for our nation, simply incredible. Others have reported the details of the rally so I won’t repeat.
After the rally I walked across the mall past the Washington Monument and the WWII monument to visit some friend on the Vietnam War Memorial. There was a bus full of WWII veterans in wheelchairs that had been to the rally — some still had their protest signs duct-taped to their wheelchairs. They had been to visit “their” memorial and then went to the Vietname memorial to view the wall and spend some time just chatting in the part there. I ended up finishing the day with these guys, mostly listening to their rememberances and chatting with them about current events.
A fantastic way to end such a great day. Being with those guy, within site of my friends on the wall, reminded me of exactly what we’re fighting for. We can’t let those guys down.
Wilson
I have done my own study base on devised methodology and calculation which you can find here:
http://deathbymedia.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/912-washington-dc-tea-party-rally-crowd-estimation/
It’s backed by evidence (pictures and clips) and determining the boundaries of the protesters and calculation of final tally derived from the density of the crowd at each given block. My calculus puts the figures around 130k up to 160k.