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FAA: Pilots’ Licenses To Be Revoked



Oct 28, 2009 12 Comments ›› American Infidel

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AP
WASHINGTON — The two Northwest Airlines pilots who overshot their Minneapolis destination by 150 miles are grounded indefinitely unless the National Transportation Safety Board grants them a reprieve.

The Federal Aviation Administration said Tuesday that it had revoked the licenses of the pilots of Northwest flight 188 — Timothy Cheney of Gig Harbor, Wash., the captain, and Richard Cole of Salem, Ore., the first officer.

The pilots have 10 days to appeal to the three-member National Transportation Safety Board, the same agency that investigates air crashes and makes safety recommendations. If an appeal fails, they can apply for a new license after one year.

The pilots told investigators they were working on their personal laptop computers and lost track of time and place last Wednesday night.

Flight 188 was out of communication for more than an hour during the incident despite repeated attempts by air traffic controllers in two states to reach the airliner, the FAA said in a statement. Northwest’s dispatchers also tried eight times to contact the pilots, without response, the agency said.

The pilots violated numerous federal regulations, including failing to comply with air traffic control instructions and clearances and operating their aircraft carelessly and recklessly, the agency said.

“You engaged in conduct that put your passengers and your crew in serious jeopardy,” FAA regional counsel Eddie Thomas wrote Cheney in a letter accompanying the revocation order. “NW188 was without communication with any air traffic control facility and with its company dispatcher for a period of 91 minutes (over 1.5 hours) while you were on a frolic of your own. Failing to comply with ATC clearances or instructions while engaged in air carrier operations is extremely reckless.”

A similar letter was sent to Cole.

The pilots said they realized they had overshot their destination when a flight attendant contacted them on the aircraft’s intercom. By then, they were over Wisconsin at 37,000 feet. They turned the Airbus A320 with its 144 passengers around and landed safely in Minneapolis.

The pilots union at Delta Air Lines, which acquired Northwest last year, declined to comment. Earlier, the union had cautioned against a rush to judgment. The pilots told investigators who interviewed them on Sunday that they had no previous accidents or safety incidents.

Delta spokesman Anthony Black said in a statement late Tuesday: “The pilots in command of Northwest Flight 188 remain suspended until the conclusion of the investigations into this incident.”

Phone messages left at the homes of the pilots were not immediately returned Tuesday night.

One passenger, Lonnie Heidtke of Chippewa Falls, Wis., said he thought it was a stiff penalty for the pilots.

“I feel that the FAA pulling their license seems a little severe, I guess. But at the same time, I think they should not be flying airplanes at least for a while so they have an opportunity to think about this.”

Cole and Cheney said they both had their laptops out while the first officer, who had more experience with scheduling, instructed the captain on monthly flight crew scheduling. They said they weren’t listening to the radio or watching cockpit flight displays during that period. The plane’s radio was also still tuned to the frequency used by Denver controllers after the San Diego-to-Minneapolis flight had flown beyond their reach.


  • atilla

    Heads up and locked.

    • ZenDraken

      Indeed.

      Rule #1: FLY THE AIRPLANE!

  • MinneSoCold

    Rumor has it they were really putting the wood to a flight attendant or even having a Brokeback Moment.

  • USNA1985

    I’m voting for the Brokeback Mountain moment. :oops: :oops: :oops:

    • shelly

      I 2nd that idea. the first time I heard this story I knew they were in the cockpit doing “the dirty” it appears to be the most “logical” explaination :shock:

  • Bob

    Yes they are covering up something.

  • Steele

    My question is a little different from what was going on in the “cock”pit.

    This plane overshot its landing airport by 150 miles and was out of contact with ATC for approximately 90 minutes. This gives one memories of 9/11 of how things transpired that day.

    With the plane not landing and not responding to ATC for approximately 90 minutes, jet fighters were only put on alert and not scrambled to confront the NW flight. (Not shoot it down mind you, but take an aggressive stance with it to find out what was going on.)

    This shows a rather large gaping hole in our Nation’s security when it comes to a possible hijacking of a commercial airline. That exact behavior is what helped to contribute to deaths on 9/11.

    • ZenDraken

      That security hole was effectively closed by the passengers of Flight 93.

      Airline passengers from that point on knew that they must either kill the hijackers or be killed. Flight 93 was the first example of that realization. The only thing we could do to improve that is harden cockpit doors and arm the pilots. Perhaps even allow concealed carry by passengers. In any case, there will be no more 9/11 style hijackings.

      We would have to blanket the entire country in 24 hour on-alert supersonic fighters in order to match that level of security.

    • MinneSoCold

      Good point Steele. Now that we know it was 90 minutes without contact, you would think a scramble would be automatic after 15 minutes.

    • Lone Wolf
  • lastconservativeblackmanonearth

    You know … I can’t say if this story qualifies as a crime … or a joke.

    For the uninitiated, ‘flying the line’ can be very boring “… hours of sheer boredom, interspersed by moments of sheer terror”. The “Chuck Yeager, Glamouous Glennis” days are long gone, boys and girls.

    Having done many, many jobs in my day, I can say that line flying these days is closer to being a security guard, than aviator. Sure, you gotta have knowledge of regs, and systems, and other crap: but truth be told, with all that automation present in the modern cockpit, you’re being paid to “observe and report” more than anything else.

    For those in the know, “George” will keep anything but the most incompetent of airplane drivers (yeah, that’s right: these guys were ‘boring holes through the sky … not flying).

    With that said, canning these arrogant and contemptuous ‘deadsticks’ was appropriate action.

    • Rich C.

      As a private pilot, if I had violated half as many regulations as these jackasses did I would be looking at getting my ticket pulled too. And all I fly is a 4 seat plane…
      A year of sitting on the ground thinking about what a stupid f-tard each of them was should help them out. It also might make other pilots less likely to lose “situational awareness” because they’re trying to figure out how to tweak their schedule…