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Troops Voice Concern: Joker’s Continual Floundering On Decision Making Affects Morale



Oct 26, 2009 25 Comments ›› American Infidel

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By Sara A. Carter
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan |The sirens blared as a Taliban rocket attack rattled troops across Kandahar Air Field for the second time last week.

Army Sgt. 1st Class Teresa R. Coble and other members of her unit at the base’s media-support center hit the floor, lay flat on the dusty cement and protected their heads with their hands. Later, the unit moved to cement-reinforced bunkers until the all-clear sounded.

While the Obama administration debates whether to send tens of thousands more U.S. troops to Afghanistan and Afghans prepare to vote for president for the second time in four months, some of those already braving rockets and bombs worry that their mission has lost the support of the U.S. public and that their sacrifices – and those of their fallen comrades – have been in vain.

“What about the troops who died giving their lives for this mission?” Sgt. Coble asked as she waited for the rocket alert to finish.

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By next August, Sgt. Coble, 27, from Germantown, will have served more than 30 months combined in Iraq and Afghanistan, far from her only child, five-year-old Troy Davis.

“We would not be honoring the lives of the troops who died if we left here without finishing our mission, and many troops are concerned that the American people have forgotten why we came here to begin with,” she said.

“If we left Afghanistan right now, its equivalent to somebody going up to help a rape victim, engaging in a fight to help that rape victim, then giving up because they didnt want to get hurt themselves and allowing that rape to continue,” she said. “Because essentially thats what the Afghan population is: They are victims, and we need to follow through with what we promised.”

Others interviewed by The Times were less supportive of the eight-year war and less certain that adding more U.S. forces would defeat a tenacious and growing Taliban insurgency or reduce corruption in the Afghan government. Several asked not to be named so that they could voice their opinions candidly without retribution from their superiors.

One young soldier, who had arrived at Kandahar Air Field from a forward operating base along the Pakistan-Afghan border, said his unit had suffered a number of casualties.

“I used to believe in what we were doing here,” the soldier said. “I’m not too sure anymore. It’s just we don’t know what the endgame is. We’ve been getting hit hard out here. What are we here to win? I have to believe that what Gen. [Stanley M.] McChrystal is doing is going to work.But who knows how long that will last before someone else decides to change the game plan again? I mean, do the people in Washington even remember we’re here?”

Others said they had difficulty working with some members of the Afghan National Army, which they described as disorganized and in some cases untrustworthy. Gen. McChrystal, the commander of U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan, seeks to increase the size and quality of the Afghan army as the mainstay for Afghan security in the future.

“I don’t trust them,” said one U.S. soldier who said he had worked closely with Afghan military personnel during multiple tours in Afghanistan. “They make it impossible for us, and we have to work around it. I understand that we’re trying to aid the Afghans in securing their own country, but we’re up against some of the worst corruption I’ve ever known. It puts our lives in danger.”

In Kabul, Army Maj. Pedro Espinoza said he supported Gen. McChrystal’s plans and believed in the mission despite its difficulties.

“I have hope in what we’re doing here,” Maj. Espinoza said, as he donned armor in preparation for the short ride from International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) headquarters to Kabul airport. “Look, if I didn’t have hope, I wouldn’t be here. I wouldn’t be doing what I’m doing. It’s as simple as that.”

Polish Col. Jacek Rolak, who was also in the convoy, wasn’t as hopeful. He joked with Maj. Espinoza and said he was grateful to be leaving Afghanistan.

“I’m not too sure things will work out the way we would like,” Col. Rolak said. ” I’m not sure what’s going to happen, or how good any strategy is in Afghanistan. Guess we just wait and see.”

U.S. troops here deal daily with death and injury, seeing comrades hurt and watching flag-draped coffins go through forward operating bases on their final trip home.

Many are also haunted by the faces of Afghan people the U.S. is trying to help.

In Kabul, Army Pvt. 2nd Class Logan Purtlebaugh sent e-mails to her family from the comfort of her bunk bed. Her Myrtle Beach pink blanket, books strewn on her bed and periodic breaks to brush her long, blond hair made the 19-year-old seem more like a university student in a dorm than a soldier in a barracks. The young chaplain’s assistant with the 82nd Airborne, 4th Brigade, at Camp Lindsey, not far from Kandahar Air Field, was on a nine-day break in the Afghan capital.

The policy debate back in Washington was not on the mind of this soldier from Bloomington, Ind.

Instead, she was thinking about the accidental death of an Afghan child she recently had witnessed in Kandahar.

“It’s the first time I’m dealing with death,” said Pvt. Purtlebaugh, who is on her first deployment. “I’ll never forget what happened.”

She folded down her laptop and stared into the darkness.

“He ran out in front of the MRAP [Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle], and there was no time for the driver to stop,” she said. “The little boy’s head was decapitated. It was horrible for everybody involved. Especially for the family of the boy.”

The young victim “seemed to be about the same age as my seven-year-old sister, Madison Purtlebaugh,” she said. “I really miss home, but this is where I want to be. I believe in the Afghan people. I have hope despite everything.”

Sgt. Coble urged Americans to think about the sacrifices U.S. troops have made in Aghanistan and the consequences of narrowing the mission before it has more time to succeed.

“We’re not just numbers,” she said. “I’m not going to say morale is high with everything going on at home. We’re here for a reason. This is not a draft military. When people go out on the streets in America and say, ‘Bring our troops home,’ it infuriates me. Don’t go out there talking about bringing our troops home, let us decide when to come back home. We’re here because we want our children, my son, to have a safer world, and we know the risks.”


  • EL GONZO

    Where are the generals that are to protect first the Constitution and to protect and foster the well being of our forces????? This Joke of a president should be under house arrest and investigated (He may not even be a citizen!!!!!) I wish the Generals would just send them to DC and surround the “Off White House” and declare a state of emergency to take the country back from this communist. HE IS A Communist. Not sure what more we are going to allow him to do so that he does become a full-fledge Commie. Once he does, it’s a civil war. Let’s not go there yet…..

  • cold soldier

    They are going through the same shit right now, that we were going through in ’02 when we were there, while we were watching the troop build up for Iraq, and wondering WTF?!
    I’m glad I didnt re-enlist….but 16 years lost.

  • Cridhe Saorsa

    This decision has been made. Obama is not going to be sending any more troops to Afghanistan. All he is doing now is stalling for a big enough military defeat to galvanize enough American mothers to call for the troops to come home so that he can save political face. Mark my words. Obama’s intent is to us our soldiers blood as cover for his decision to cut and run.

    • MinneSoCold

      Unfortunately, I think you’re right.

    • cold soldier

      Unfortunely I think you are 100% correct

    • ZenDraken

      Bring ‘em home and they will march on Washington. Beware the anger of the Legions!

    • aboutTObegin

      and march we will…we are ALL pissed the f*ck off!!!!!I wont be remaining in this military!

      -aTb

    • ZenDraken

      aboutTObegin; I’m just curious: Assuming you are active duty, what percentage of active duty military would you say are true “Oath Keepers”?

      I know we all take the oath in the military, but what percentage would you say are really conscious of the obligation and would carry through with it? Is it discussed openly? Are a lot of active duty aware of the Oath Keeper’s organization?

      Not an official survey or anything. Just wondering if you have any insight on this…

    • aboutTObegin

      Zen, I assume you are either currently in the military or are a veteran, either or, I will answer your question. From the perspective of who I work with and if I use them as a test group, I would say that the enlisted would almost be 90% true to their oath (I say that because you have some that are blind to obama and believe his media), the officers would be more on the fence, somewhere around 50% to 65% would remain true to their oath, the others are political monsters and are out for their careers ( and I am being generous by saying 50% to 65% ). Not alot of Active are aware of what is even going on in the States, let alone the Oathkeepers. I talk with those I work with, they know….but when people speak about this, they feel like they are going to get into trouble. I hope this answers your questions. I have become vocal because I have been researching and studying what has been going on since mid 2008.

      -aTb

  • cuchieddie (Enemy of the State)

    This cocksucker deserves impeachment, conviction for treason and a worldwide televised neck stretching like Saddam Hussein. :mad: :mad:

    • EL GONZO

      I’ll turn TEVO on, record it and buy the “Making of Obama’s Last Stand” and buy plenty of beer and cold cuts to watch it live (over and over)…It will have higher ratings than all SuperBowls combine…damn, that would be something worth watching finally. I’m sure CNN and the usual suspects will boycott it…

    • kim clift

      Yes, hung from our Capitalist rope :wink:

  • Double Tap

    This is the same pattern of action they took in Vietnam to ensure defeat. The administration de-funded the war and then pretty much marooned the soldiers in a fight they were not equipped nor allowed to win by any action. The troops were demoralized and abandoned to simply survive by any means they had to use. This caused controversy since the soldiers then started feeling as if they could do anything they wanted because the administration had thrown them to the wolves. This generated story after story that they were baby-killing-potheads with no morals and no respect for human life.

    It is the standard formula, and our troops need to make sure they don’t fall into the same political trap that will ensure failure and persecution.

    This is inexcusable, but predictable. They are taking this right straight out of the handbook.

  • B. A.

    Got Damn that son of a bitch, bozo. He’s tying their hands just like they did in Vietnam. I wish I could do something to help. Going to tea parties, writing to my congress men, emailing the liars and the rest of the corrupt bastards is a waste of time, although I have done it. We went to DC on 9/12. I was impressed with the peaceful protest and the amount of people there, but what did we accomplish? I don’t know. Now is the time for other measures. What do we do? Who has the answer? Are the oath keepers really with us? If it’s taken to the streets, who will be there? Who will be on our side? The joking is over and the time is here to sh– or get off the pot. What do we do?

    • cold soldier

      If I knew, I’d be doing it already. I ponder this continually, and so far have no good answer. We’ve let the government grow into a monster to large to control, and it will be our downfall.

  • Steady

    God help us. Pray for our troops. The man in the White House is an incompetent fool!!!!!!

    • EL GONZO

      He’s not incompetent or a fool…he is a socialist and he’s doing this according to his plans. He must be impeached, I’m ashamed on behalf of the families of the secret service that have to get up every morning to protect this A-hole. It’s too bad that we cannot prosecute them as well for allowing our country to be run by a left wing nut-job that clearly wants to establish emergencies were there are none, confiscate our wealth, limit freedom of speech, the pattern is set….It’s up to the people since the military is unwilling to do anything about even beginning to show signs that they plan in protecting our constitution. Is true….plain and simple, it will have to be up to the people as usual…..We can certainly go off to other countries and free other people and ask for more troops, but we can’t seem for them to the same for their own communities and families here. The troops are needed here against this tyrant now….

    • vincenzo4

      El Gonzo: Ten Ring, absolutely correct. Everything is absolutely deliberate. Don’t forget detainees get read their Miranda Rights there. They shut by real fast, especially after the deliberate compromises of our interrogation techniques. What is happening is very deliberate and very calculated.

  • kim clift

    Obama needs dropped in the middle of this hell hole with 1 clip and no secret service, Justice would be served!

    • http://logistory.blogspot.com/ Noway2no

      I love it! Would love to see that coward trying to be a man.

    • Hardball1911

      I disagree Kim.

      There’s no need for that.

      The wasted ammunition of giving him a magazine full would detract from our troops’ inventory too much. Let him fend off the goat fuckers with a spork and a pack of bubblegum. I mean, I am a dick, but I will at least let him get the taste out of his mouth before they behead him…

  • Bobby E

    It should be obvious, when you connect the dots, that Obama not only doesn’t want to help these troops, but also does not want these troops back. He is playing a dangerous game … not only with our troops and country, but with his ‘well-being’.

  • GRIZZ

    I knew it from day one.This fuck will set up our men for a wholesale slaughter.
    And we are next.
    There will be nobody to come save you.
    Prepare yourself.
    SATAN IS HERE.HE CALLS HIMSELF OBAMA

    • ZenDraken

      Grizz: If it gets that bad, the military will mutiny. They will make their way home one way or another. C-17s work equally well going either home or abroad, with or without official orders.

      And then Beware The Fury Of The Legions…

  • Rudemeister

    I just spoke with my oldest son, Markus about BHO. He’s a US Marine. He said he doesn’t know anybody that doesn’t hate BHO. This is just great. BHO is reviled by our wonderful people in uniform. The reasons why are not too hard to understand either. Great job our commander in chief is doing. Jimmy Carter looks like a genius.

    Ugh.