Thunderbolt Of Reality: Dems Alarmed As Independents Bolt Party

November 18th, 2009 (17) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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Politico:

Mounting evidence that independent voters have soured on the Democrats is prompting a debate among party officials about what rhetorical and substantive changes are needed to halt the damage.

Following serious setbacks with independents in off-year elections earlier this month, White House officials attributed the defeats to local factors and said President Barack Obama sees no need to reposition his own image or the Democratic message.

Since then, however, a flurry of new polls makes clear that Democrats are facing deeper problems with independents—the swing voters who swung dramatically toward the party in 2006 and 2008 but who now are registering deep unease with the amount of spending and debt called for under Obama’s agenda in an era of one-party rule in Washington.

A Gallup Poll released last week offered a disturbing glimpse about the state of play: just 14 percent of independents approve of the job Congress is doing, the lowest figure all year. In just the past few days alone, surveys have shown Democratic incumbents trailing Republicans among independent voters by double-digit margins in competitive statewide contests in places as varied as Connecticut, Ohio and Iowa.

Obama’s own popularity among independents has fallen significantly, too. A CBS News poll Tuesday showed the president’s approval rating among unaligned voters falling to 45 percent — down from 63 percent in April.

“We withdrew from the accounts of voters and now we need to pay them back,” said Nathan Daschle, executive director of the Democratic Governors Association. “We are having these conversations right now about what independents need to see and hear.”

Pat Waak, the chairwoman of the Colorado Democratic Party, said the party had so far failed to convince independent voters of the steps it had taken to improve the economy.

“I think the economy is at the base of the tension,” she said. “Quite frankly, we’ve got to do a better job of messaging. There’s a lot of work to be done to get independents more comfortable with what we’re doing.”

“Listen, it hasn’t been an easy time,” said T.J. Rooney, a former state legislator and the chairman of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party. “It’s almost like we’re a victim of our own success. When you’re governing, that changes the political dynamic.”

Andrew Myers, who polled for Democrats in Virginia House of Delegates races this year, said his analysis of exit polls indicated that voters had come to see Democrats as a party of high spending — too willing to make a rush for the pocketbooks and unable to effectively articulate how their health care reform push benefited independents, many of whom already have insurance plans.

“This is what’s particularly heartbreaking: There is a real sense that no one in Congress is standing up for them,” said Myers. “It’s a real problem for messaging for us.”

Nowhere was that more obvious than in Virginia and New Jersey, where GOP candidates captured governorships on Nov. 3 on the strength of landslide margins among independent voters.

In Virginia, Republican Bob McDonnell won a 65 percent to 34 percent victory over Democrat Creigh Deeds among independents in a state where President Barack Obama split the independent vote 49 percent to 48 percent against Republican John McCain just one year earlier.

In New Jersey, Republican Chris Christie won a 58 percent to 31 percent victory over Democratic incumbent Jon Corzine among independents — a stark contrast to Obama’s 51 percent to 47 percent win among independents in 2008.

“The perception of what’s happening in Congress is polluting what’s happening down below,” Myers said.

Michael Dimock, a pollster for the Pew Research Center — which reported in a new survey that only 45 percent of independents want their own representative to return to Congress — also believes Democrats have suffered for their inability to move the ball on key agenda items such as health care.

“I think it’s about action and not about words right now. The public wants to see action,” said Dimock. “I’m not sure words are going to help Democrats at this point. They’ve got to achieve some successes.”

“Independents are typically more frustrated with the political process,” noted Dimock. “They tend to have a real distaste for partisanship and ideology, and that’s about all they’re hearing right now.”

Some strategists, however, attribute the party’s weak Election Day showing among independent voters to changes in the composition of the independents who showed up at the polls.

“What we saw are more independents who are like Republicans and fewer independents who are like Democrats,” said Brad Lawrence, a veteran Democratic media consultant in New Jersey who worked for Corzine. “I think there was an enthusiasm gap.”

“This was not the same group of independents who showed up in 2008,” noted Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist. “For Obama’s election, the participating independents were more moderate; for Christie and McDonnell, the composition of the independents that came to the polls was more conservative. It’s this self-selection among the independent voter pool that helped the Democrats in 2008 and hurt them in 2009.”

Democrats also argue that with polls showing fewer voters identifying themselves as Republicans, the pool of independent voters is simply becoming more conservative than in the past, as those formerly Republican voters move into that camp. An October Washington Post/ABC News survey, for example, found just 20 percent of those polled identifying themselves as Republican.

“It looks a lot worse than it really is,” said John Anzalone, a veteran Democratic pollster. “Independents aren’t just falling away from Democrats.”

Still, Anzalone cautioned that with the party’s agenda under fire from Republicans and allied conservative groups, Democrats in conservative Southern and Western states need to be aware of the potential peril in alienating independent voters.

An automated survey released Monday by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling underscored that message with its finding that Democratic Rep. Vic Snyder, a seven-term Arkansas congressman, was only narrowly leading his little-known Republican challengers and held just a 30 percent approval rating among independents.

The erosion among independents, however, isn’t simply a regional problem. Democrats are anxious about the prospects of five-term Sen. Chris Dodd in Connecticut, who trails one of his GOP opponents by 28 percentage points among independents in a prospective head-to-head matchup, and Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter and Iowa Gov. Chet Culver, two Democratic incumbents with shrinking approval ratings among independent voters. A Des Moines Register poll released this weekend showed the first-term Culver trailing the GOP front-runner among independents by nearly 30 percentage points.

“It’s a challenge,” said Chris Redfern, the chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party, referring to the current election environment. But, he added, “we don’t need all of them back. We just need a majority.”

Sen. Robert Menendez, the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, acknowledged that the recent polls constituted “red flags” for Democrats. But he said voters remained unsatisfied with a Republican Party that, he said, had yet to demonstrate an ability to prove it has answers to the problems facing the country.

“I take this data with a grain of salt,” Menendez told POLITICO. “At this moment in time, we may not be doing as well with independents as I’d like, but Republicans aren’t doing well, either.”

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  • Richwilloughby

    I would appreciate someone explaining what an independent voter is. Is that someone who puts a finger in the air and which ever way the wind is blowing goes in that direction and does not understand what the consequences can be by doing so? Or is it a moderate that does not know what the hell they are doing. Or is it just another way of saying there is no right or wrong, everything is relative. I’m wasting my time writing this.

    • Average Joe

      I think that almost all independent voters are “conservative” and are fucking tired of getting screwed by McCain-Michael Steele-Gramnasty-Arnold type RINOs….but they are also tired of there votes being fucked-over by rigged elections.

      I have put this one probably 20 or more times.

      Pugh, Zogby, or other “biggy” voter research group stated that 30 MILLION TO 50 MILLION FRAUD VOTES IN 2008 ELECTION WERE DONE THROUGHOUT COUNTRY BY ACORN, LA RAZA, SEIU, AND THE TYPICAL DEMOCRAT “MACHINE POLITICS”, EVEN HAVING PORTABLE VOTING MACHINES LIKE THEY DID IN 2000 & 2004 FLORIDA RACE.

      THINK OF IT, 30 MILLION TO 50 MILLION PAPER VOTES OF PEOPLE THAT DO NOT EXIST.

      START THE FUCKING REVOLUTION, NOW!!!!!!!

      WE OUTNUMBER THEM 3 TO 1, OR MORE.

    • SgtJenz

      It’s typical arrogance of the Democrat party to consider Independent voters are aligned with them.
      Independent means exactly that. They do not support or align themselves with any particular party.

      You’re confusing Independent with moderates. Moderates are more “finger-in-the-wind” types.
      Most of the Independent voters I know actually spend time researching issues and candidates before casting their vote instead of blindly voting strict party lines.

      Average Joe is correct. Most are conservatives who are sick and tired of getting screwed by RINO’s and so called conservative Democrats.

    • saepe expertus

      No Brother, no waste of time here. I take the term “moderate” to be someone who is “broadminded”. And of a “broad-minded” individual I can only say, along with Will Rogers, that being “Broadminded is just another way of saying a fellow’s too lazy to form and opinion.” :wink:

      What an “Independent” is has been adequately defined by Average Joe below and augmented well buy the other posts to this article.

    • reagan54

      Joe, dear, no independent is ever going to start a revolution or be part of it. Get a spine.

  • Sgsaur

    Rich,

    I quit the Republican party during the Busch years because of RINOs, Busch’s domestic agenda & the fact that the RNC takes conservative voters for granted and tries to pander to libs. I consider myself an Independant Conservative. I would vote for a Conservative Democrat (ie: Zell Miller) over a RINO (McCain, Grahmnesty, etc.) ANY day. My hope is that true Conservatives will take back the Republican party, but until that day happens, the RNC won’t see a penny of my money.

    • Tellicorick

      I’ve sent several message back to Michael Steele telling him in no uncertain terms they will get not one penny from me until they purged the party of the moderate and liberal traitors. I too, would happily vote for a Zell Miller or true conservative candidate, party immaterial.

      I sincerely hope the RNC goes broke and then maybe a Conservative Party can be stood up and not run by the same Ivy League trash that got us into this cell pool in the first place.

  • USMCTANKS

    I consider myself to be an Ultra Rightwing Militant Christian Nationalist who happens to be registered “Independent” because there is no party that supports my beliefs. I dumped the GOP after the 1st bush after(among a multitude of others things) he brought us closer to this wonderful “new world order”.
    Death to tyrants and their tit feeding minions.

    • http://google Delta Actual

      I am an Independent because neither party is worth a damn.The Republicans have lost their moral compass and the Democrats never had a moral compass in the first place.I would rather be an Independent placing my finger in the air than the new Republicans who have their thumbs up their asses.The two party system is a failure and it’s time for the Independents to show the DEMS and REPS we are a force to be reckoned with.We want our country back and are prepared to do what ever it takes to do take it back.We are the party of Lead,Follow or get the Hell out of the way.The rest are just sheep.

  • EL GONZO

    …forget the independent voters, wait til they get a load of an old fashion”founding Fathers” revolt. ……CIVIL WAR? … nothing civil about it.

  • the friendly grizzly

    I am an independent voter. I vote for the fiscally conservative, and those who are libertarian on social issues. Translation: if there is a wing of conservatism called “leave me the hell alone and get your hands off my paycheck!”, I am in that wing.

    I’d vote for a Zell Miller or a Fred Thompson. I would never vote for a Huckabee, or for the seemingly obsessed like that ex senator who sits in for Dr Bennett some mornings.

    • reagan54

      Then don’t be a weenie. Register as a Libertarian. http://www.lp.org/platform

    • the friendly grizzly

      Reagan54: I presently live in a state where one registers to vote, but no party affiliation is requested. I will soon be living in another state where, I believe, they DO ask for party affiliation. I was registered Libertarian for well over 30 years when living in California and Oregon, so I have been there.

      I remain a small-l libertarian, but the party does not interest me. They are for open borders, and I am not. That is not a fine point; it is very important to me. So, I will not support the party, only the concept of libertarianism. And, I vote accordingly, whether the candidate is Libertarian, Republican, Democrat (yes, it has happened), or even the Constitution party.

  • Sully

    There’s nothing wrong with being an ‘Independent’.
    Thomas Jefferson thought political parties were anathema to a Republic.

    The Prog/Dem Marxists stuck a knife in their back. Just like they do with all the not ideologically pure (or plain stupid) of their ‘constituents’. Been doing it to blacks for 200 years.

    Barry’s ‘tack to the center’ in 2008 was comical yet people bought it.

    • reagan54

      The only “Barry” is Goldwater.

  • mike3481

    An Independent is someone a Conservative should take to the shooting range for a short course on safety, marksmanship, the 2nd Amendment and the evils of Leftism. :wink:

  • reagan54

    So everyone is proud to be an independent. You will not take a stand and could quite possibly be open to the idea of re-electing the f-ing power hungry leaders like Obummer and Nancy “Botoxi” Pelosi, et. al., because you have no spine to take a stance. Take a stand or crawl back into your hole.

    When I meet someone who says they are an independent I think this is a person who cannot decide if they should eat if they are hungry.

    Here’s a party that needs more of us, and if you independents could just be bold, go ahead, be a Libertarian. At least you will not be screwing my country.

    http://www.lp.org/platform