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Pelosi And Reid Plot To Avoid Committee Process To Force Health Care Victory



Dec 23, 2009 17 Comments ›› Erik Wong

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The Wall Street Journal:

Look for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to try to circumvent the traditional conference committee process by which the different versions of health care reform passed by each house will be reconciled. If so, it will be the latest example of violating principles of transparency and accountability in the single-minded pursuit of legislative victory.

Conferences involving members from both houses are messy things. They are usually conducted in public and often televised, and can produce a compromise version of the bill that leaves rank-and-file members tempted to vote against the final version. That could be perilous in the case of health care since it’s likely to pass without a vote to spare in the Senate and the House’s version passed by only five votes.

North Dakota Senator Kent Conrad, chair of the Budget Committee, has already warned that if the final bill “isn’t close to the Senate bill, there will be no way to get the 60 votes here” to shut off debate and pass the final product. But many House members, led by Michigan Rep. John Conyers, are insisting on major changes in the Senate’s version.

Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi would love to come up with a way to bash heads in private and skip any public discussion that further reveals just how incoherent and unworkable both the bills are. Luckily, there is a subterfuge readily available that wouldn’t require the House to swallow the Senate’s bill unchanged but also ducks the traditional give-and-take of the conference committee.

When Democrats took over Congress in 2007, they increasingly did not send bills through the regular conference process. “We have to defer to the bigger picture,” explained Rep. Henry Waxman of California. So the children’s health insurance bill passed by the House that year was largely dumped in favor of the Senate’s version. House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel and other Democrats complained the House had been “cut off at the knees” but ultimately supported the bill. Legislation on lobbying reform and the 2007 energy bill were handled the same way — without appointing an actual conference.

Rather than appoint members to a public conference committee, those measures were “ping-ponged” — i.e. changes to reconcile the two versions were transmitted by messenger between the two houses as the final product was crafted behind closed doors solely by the leadership. Many Democrats grumbled at the secrecy. “We need to get back to the point where we use conference committees . . . and have serious dialogue,” said Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama at the time.

But serious dialogue isn’t what Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid are interested in right now. Look for the traditional conference committee to be replaced by a “ping-pong” game in which health care is finalized behind closed doors with little public scrutiny before the bill is rushed to the floor of each chamber for a final vote.


  • Sully

    Well the goal of this bill and its mandate is to create a new class of American – the illegal citizen.
    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    • MinneSoCold

      :arrow: …”the illegal citizen”

      Well, one of their own is already president, so what did you expect? :twisted:

  • Sully

    Well nobody knows wtf He really is…. His origin and ascension are now State secrets.
    Other than a liar and a poser anyway.

  • Sully

    Oh and Nanzi and the rest will go along with Dingy Harry.
    They can’t see America from their House.

  • CPLViper

    The most fucked up thing about this Healthcare (Health Insurance) bill is what people are not talking about. All I hear about is the abortion issue or how we can’t afford it and how taxes are going to go up. As much as those points are important, the most important point is not being discussed at all … the fact that government is taking control of PRIVATE INDUSTRY … setting a maximum on their profits, forcing decisions on said business AND forcing people to purchase something (in this case insurance) regardless if the person wants it or needs it. Classic definition of Fascism.

    I would imaging that some insurance company will have to take the unconstitutionality of this bill to the Supreme Court if it becomes law … but … if insurance companies are making tons-o-cash, that will not happen.

    Time to start thinking outside-the-box people. It is obvious that signs and marches are not working.

    • Sgsaur

      Viper,

      We’ve tried the soap box & the ballot box to no avail. Maybe it’s time to start thinking INSIDE the box – the bullet box. For those in the .gov that may be reading this and misunderstand what I just said, I’ll explain: I’m exercising my 1st Amendment right to dissent, not fomenting revolution.

    • CPLViper

      Sig … nice disclaimer … lol.

      You know, if this was 1775, the Capitol Building would have already been an ash heap.

    • aboutTObegin

      exactly Viper, here is a video of Americas future…check it out… its living proof of what is to come.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw&feature=topvideos

      and who is to blame…because by then it will be to late blame and try to prevent, our children will be in a third world country living in poverty all because True Americans continued to abide by the system and ‘do the right thing’ and wait to vote these turds out but the question remains when these turds are voted out, will America be salvagable?

      -aTb
      Combat Vet

  • Sully

    This ‘bill’ just hit the street and the Constitutional arguments are just starting to gel.
    There is compelling legal reasoning for its unconstitutionality beyond Barry declaring eminent domain over our health and wallet.
    Insurance company participation is not critical to constitutionality cases that WILL come.

  • ODIN2012

    Lady Liberty was gang raped by drunk with their own power congressional frat boys this week…. and most of America just stood there and watched. :gun: :gun:

    • CPLViper

      Nobody stood there and watched, instead we witnessed a Congress that ignored the 1M+ people that showed up in DC to protest the unconstitutionality and the spending of and for this (and other) proposals. It is now critical to participate in what comes next. At this point I am not sure what we (all of us) will do but in the coming days and weeks something is going to be planned and executed because true, liberty loving Americans will not stand for this Fascism (once the unconstitutional parts of this bill become known by more than just the politically aware).

  • aboutTObegin

    those two idiots in that photo above don’t care they just a$$ raped America because they are at the end of their lifespan…they will not have to be accountable for their actions which is why they are smiling their little communist a$$’ off. I am f*cken puking right now, I am SO disgusted with what is happening to the country I love so much.

    -aTb
    Combat Vet

    • Rick

      Me too. I came to America on June 6, 1957 as a twelve year old boy from England – legally! This is not the America we came to. Yes, through hard work and study I have two kids with college degrees, so I am not worried there………..but I am scared shit for their and all Americans suffering under the incompetence, arrogance, and greed by the career slugs in Washington, D.C. We must vote them out or throw them out!

  • BABS

    AMERICANS ARE DEEPLY DISTURBED BY THE MIDDLE FINGER APPROACH OF THE LEFT POLITICANS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THEY WON’T FULLY UNDERSTAND OR GET IT UNTIL NOVEMBER 2010. THEY SIGNED THEIR POLITICAL DEATH WARRANTS THIS MORNING. PROGRESSIVES WILL BE LOST 11 MONTHS FROM NOW. THEY WILL HAVE NO CLOUT, NOWHERE TO TURN BUT TO ROT IN HELL. THEY ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT NOW, THEIR GOD GOT SOME PAID OFF WIN, IT WAS NOT WON BUT PAID FOR, BRIBES AND GIFTS…SOME WIN….NOW YA ALL GOING TO DIE A REAL POLITICAL DEATH IN 2010. WE HAVE BEEN NEEDING TO KILL OFF LIBERALISM FOR DECADES, THEY DID IT THEMSELVES. LIKE OBAMA WAS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO THE GOP…BRINGING US TOGETHER TO FIGHT FOR OUR BELIEFS, THIS MARXIST AGENDA WAS THE SELF INFLICTED KNIFE OF THE LEFT…FINALLY WE GET TO GET RID OF THEM WITH THE GRAND IDIOT TEDDY ALREADY COLD AND DEAD. HAD WE WON AND BEAT THIS, THE REST OF THE BULL MAY HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN…NOT THIS…CLEARLY THEY STUCK THEIR MIDDLE FINGERS UP AT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THEY WILL PAY.

    • Hawkerdriver(Pisson the Koran)

      Babs..

      Easy with the caps man,hard to read.

      “obama was the best thing to happen to the gop”…guess again – obama happened BECAUSE of the damn gop.Coservatives,hopefully will strengthen because of this, but republicans as we know them now,will only find more sneaky ways to enable their communist liberal democrat heroes.

  • rosie

    Pelosi, Reid and Barry…you devils don’t get to have my money. I will quit my job and give away everything I own before you Commies get a single farthing. Then if you want me you’ll have to come and get me. That’s what I want. You pigs come and get me.

  • Sully

    “…Obama happened because of the GOP…”

    I’m not a big fan of GOP politics the last ten years but that seems kinda fucked up to me.
    Barry is older than ten and His ‘coming’ has been a Progressive work in progress for 100 years.