Politico Alleges Poll: Tea Partiers Split Into Two Camps, Palin And Paul – With Video

April 19th, 2010 (17) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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Politico:

Tea party activists are divided roughly into two camps, according to a new POLITICO/TargetPoint poll: one that’s libertarian-minded and largely indifferent to hot-button values issues and another that’s culturally conservative and equally concerned about social and fiscal issues.

The survey, an exit poll conducted Thursday by Edison Research at the massive Tax Day protest on the National Mall, found that the attendees were largely hostile to President Barack Obama and the national Democratic Party — three-quarters believe the president “is pursuing a socialist agenda.”

Yet they aren’t enamored of the Republican Party as an alternative. Overall, three out of four tea party attendees said they were “scared about the direction” of the country and “want to send a message to both political parties.”

The results, however, suggest a distinct fault line that runs through the tea party activist base, characterized by two wings led by the politicians who ranked highest when respondents were asked who “best exemplifies the goals of the tea party movement” — former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), a former GOP presidential candidate.

Palin, who topped the list with 15 percent, speaks for the 43 percent of those polled expressing the distinctly conservative view that government does too much, while also saying that it needs to promote traditional values.

Paul’s thinking is reflected by an almost identical 42 percent who said government does too much but should not try to promote any particular set of values — the hallmarks of libertarians. He came in second to Palin with 12 percent.

When asked to choose from a list of candidates for president in 2012, Palin and Paul also finished one-two — with Palin at 15 percent and Paul at 14 percent.

In general, those who turned out for the April 15 event tended to be less culturally conservative than national Republicans.

Asked to rate their level of anger about 22 issues on a scale of one (not angry at all) to five (extremely angry), the issue that drew the most anger: the growing national debt. The least: courts granting same-sex couples the right to marry. Twenty-four percent said they’re “not at all” upset about gay marriage.

While 73 percent are extremely angry about government intrusion into personal lives, only 48 percent express the same sentiment about “the moral direction of the country.” For instance, only 50 percent of the tea partiers overall said they’re extremely angry about the number of abortions performed each year (16th of 22). That’s less than the proportion extremely angry about bailouts, earmarks and frivolous lawsuits.

“Literally, there’s more harm being done economically to this country than 100 A-bombs could accomplish,” said Dave Kidwell, a 44-year-old from the Detroit suburbs.

Specifically, 51 percent of tea party activists say “government should not promote any particular set of values,” while 46 percent said “government should promote traditional family values in our society.” Compare this to national Gallup Polls, which recently found 67 percent of self-identified Republicans think government should promote such values.

Paul performed best among those who don’t think government should promote any particular set of values, but Palin dominated among the family values set. Of Palin voters, 59 percent said they were either very or extremely angry about same-sex marriage. Among Paul voters, the number was 34 percent. Half of Palin’s tea party supporters attend weekly religious services; a quarter of Paul voters do.

Among the respondents, the two prominent figureheads polarize. Fifty-three percent of those surveyed said they would not even consider voting for Palin if she ran for president in 2012; 59 percent said the same thing of Paul.

Indeed, no clear leader is emerging to pick up tea party support in the 2012 presidential election. Not one of a dozen Republicans could get more than 50 percent of tea partiers to say that they would even consider supporting them in the contest.

When asked why they’d come to the protest, two protesters who responded to the survey invoked their grandchildren — but to make different points that reflected the competing ideological pressures within the movement. Palin fan Barbara Denton, a 63-year-old from Maryland’s Eastern Shore, said she has lots of free time to push her political agenda now that she’s retired.

“I don’t want to hand my grandchildren a country that’s going in this direction,” she said, holding a large American flag. “We are a Christian country, and we need to remain that way. In case (Obama) doesn’t realize it, 86 percent of the population in this country says they believe in God. They’re not Muslim, and they’re not atheists. And he needs to figure it out.”

Rodney Rice, a 60-year-old financial broker who drove down with his wife from upstate New York, just wants government out of his life.

“I’ve never liked having to ask permission to do anything,” the lifelong Republican said, with a National Rifle Association hat shading his eyes from the setting sun. “I stayed within the rules of the law, treated society right and the government’s intruding more and more and more. And I don’t want that to happen. I’ve got three grandchildren. I want to see them have the same opportunities that I have.”

The tea party rallies have uniquely defined the movement because there’s no official platform, national committee or spokesman. Previous polls surveyed self-identified tea partiers by phone, potentially overstating the size of the movement and grouping sympathizers with actual participants.

The POLITICO/TargetPoint poll, the first of its kind, takes a statistically valid snapshot of tea party sympathizers engaged enough to actually attend an event. Altogether, 457 randomly selected adult attendees were approached over a five-hour period during the April 15 event on the Mall and asked to complete the self-administered, anonymous questionnaire. The response rate was 58 percent, and the sampling error is 5 percentage points, either way.

[TargetPoint Consulting is a market research and knowledge management firm that works with Republican and corporate clients. Edison Research has been the sole provider of Election Day exit poll information to major news organizations since 2003.]

For all their differences, these activists share much. They’ve traditionally supported Republicans: 70 percent backed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2008; just 12 percent voted for Obama.

The majority agrees that neither major party can be trusted to fix government. On a generic congressional ballot pitting a Republican and Democrat against the “Tea Party,” 27 percent backed the unnamed tea party candidate and 25 percent supported the Republican. Twenty-seven percent said they don’t know how they’d vote.

The tea party activists on the Mall last week were better educated, more affluent and whiter than the country as a whole. One-third of the activists surveyed came from the Washington metropolitan area. Attendees were 64 percent male and 36 percent female. While 45-to-64-year-olds make up 26 percent of the population, they accounted for 49 percent of this crowd.

A third of those surveyed earned more than $100,000 in household income during 2009, and 62 percent came from households that earned at least $60,000. About three in 10 surveyed identified themselves as small-business owners.

Antipathy toward Democrats runs deep: 76 percent said the Democratic Party represents the views of the movement “not at all well.” Only 11 percent said they’d consider voting for Obama in 2012, and only 6 percent said they’d vote for a Democrat on the generic congressional ballot.

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  • http://patdollard.com Average Joe

    RON PAUL IS A SHITHEAD THAT SHOULD BE PERMANENTLY “MUTED”… IT IS A SHAME THERE ISN’T A BUTTON ON A REMOTE CONTROL SOMEWHERE TO DO IT.

    I AM ASHAMED THAT I LIVE IN TEXAS WITH THAT ASSHOLE.

    • http://patdollard.com Average Joe

      btw, all of his support is from the “leftist-progressives” skewing any polling data…..just like they did to make McShame the (R) candidate in 2008.

  • Bobby E

    I myself really don’t appreciate the Paul supporters at these rallys because it’s not about campaigning for one person. It does have the potential to disrupt Tea Party progress.

  • Tyler520

    The Paultards infiltrated and hijacked this movement, like every other – nobody was paying attention to those little monkeys, so they are trying to force them to do so now.

  • josephus

    Progressives will infiltrate and start supporting Paul with a Perot-like fallout. That is what they will hope.

    Meantime: Palin IS NOT AN OPTION.

    Let’s look at the standings:

    Team W L PCT GB
    Obama’s Marxists 1 0 1,000 –
    Palin 0 1 .000 1

    Palin played Obama and lost…thanks to McCain fucking off in the last month of the election, he left her to be savaged by the media and the Marxists.

    Was she qualified to win? No more so than Obama.

    Love that she’s a spokesperson, can raise zillions…but she’s not a solution for the issues we have.

    I want to see Mitch Daniels. I want to see Bobby Jindal.
    I would be very interested to hear what General Petreaus would have to say and where he stands politically.

    But is this is where the Tea Party is leading us. Gotta tell ya guys…this is fool’s gold.

    • CPLViper

      I hear Petreaus leans right but I don’t know if he is more of a Republican, Libertarian or Conservative.

    • usamopatriot

      but she’s not a solution for the issues we have.

      Have you listened to anything she’s said? Have you read her book? Have you read anything she’s written on facebook? You are a complete fool. Do you think dumb ass’s like you parroting libtard talking points will help conservatives? She is the only one out there that articulates the conservative’s position and reaches or relates to said conservative’s. She will blow away the weak back boned people that you mentioned in an election. Just because you’re one of them doesn’t mean the rest of us are. :!:

  • http://patdollard.com SGT A

    Eat shit Paul :gun:

  • John

    Paul v Palin
    Paul v Obama
    Paul wins one straw poll and finishes second by one vote in the other…

    Yet he should be muted…

    Yeah, lets mute
    the Constitution
    Sound Money
    conservative policy

    Lets keep the war machine going… yeah, police state, keep it going…FEAR, FEAR the government is here to help was laughed at but the government is here to protect us? from who? WHO PROTECTS US FROM WASHINGTON?

    • http://patdollard.com Average Joe

      My, My, MY,….
      A Paulian slithered out from under a rock on the order’s of Satan-Obama’s friend Ron Paul!!!!!
      :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

  • John

    Palin is an idiot…
    Romney is a socialist…
    Newt is a used tire…

    Who is talking about sound money, civil liberties and following the Constitution? Ron Paul is the only true choice, but go ahead and be led like sheep and elected a retread liar…

  • Chuck O

    Who in the hell does the GOP plan on putting up? Is there a strong conservative with no skeletons in the closet out there? Can’t afford to send someone out only to find they are another Larry Craig or Mark Foley. Only Dems can get away with stuff.

  • MarkF

    Michelle Bachman

  • Tyler520

    So which of you Paultard supporters is going to pedal his racist bullshit and alien abduction nonsense, too, hmmm? Sounds like a strong platform to me!

    Paultard is a naive, narcissistic professional politician like any other – if you cannot see that, you are a zombie akin to any other political cheerleader.

    The man seems to ALWAYS do so well in theorhetical polls, yet fails miserably when it comes to reality…funny thing, that reality is…always getting in Paultard’s way.

    Paultard zombie…Obama zombie…both craptastic

  • Pull

    Bolton for president, paul for dunce of the decade.

  • John H

    I’ll be honest I thought Paul was a bit crazy myself last election. Now however I have to say I think he may have been the best candidate of the crappy choices we were given. He’s NOT anti military, he’s served. He was against the war, which at the time upset me. Now truthfully given the way it’s been prosecuted, or rather NOT prosecuted I’m beginning to agree, too many of our best have died for what? You Think Iraq will remain any sort of friend or Democracy? You think any progress in Afganistan will stay after we leave. Our country lacks the balls what everyone KNOWS has to be done, which is take out Iran and this hole Islamic radical bullshit once and for all. Long term all we have done is removed teh competition for the iranian shitheads. This has been like ww2 with no one willing to set foot in Germany or even consider bombing it. We know who the ultimate ringleaders of Islamic radicalism have been for the past 50 years, but we are not going to do shit about it.

    Paul does seem a bit odd at times, but honestly, economically he’s been the only one to say it right.He’s teh only one talking about money supply. the only one talking abotu the wreck in on our financial institutions. He’s absolutely right on the economy, our financial system, and industry. He’s the only one with the guts (or maybe crazy enough) to take on the institutions destroying our countries ability to produce, and that means our ability for logistics. No production abiulity means no real military ability always at all points in history. If he’s anti war abroad….so what? I’m tired of half assed attempts. I don’t beleive any of our progress will last a decade once we vacate…..it’ll just be Iran filling in the vauem, and sooner or later we’ve GOT to take them out.
    I don’t understand disdain for Paul in this way…..I’m not a Ron paul person really, and have usually felt most of his supporters were tin foil types, but I think we could do alot worse. None of this shit overseas is going to mean shit anyway when the economy falls and we’re spiraling into Argentina style hyperinflation….the real threat is within our economy. When the economy falls and it likely will the bullets are gonna start flying here!
    I don’t see ANY other conservative candidate talking brass tacks on how bad the conomy is and what we have to do to fix it.

  • John H

    Pardon my grammer….tired buzzed, and tired of the clueless :gun: :beer: :gun: :beer: :gun: rambo bullshit from chair jockies.