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Gates Suggests Big Changes Coming For Navy



May 3, 2010 45 Comments ›› Pat Dollard

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WASHINGTON (AP) – Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Monday called into question the Navy’s heavy and expensive arsenal of ships and subs.

In a speech before naval officers and contractors, Gates did not say he was planning to cut any programs or its budget.

But he did say the military must rethink whether it can afford such a massive naval fleet at a time when the Army and Marine Corps need more money to take care of troops and their families.

“Do we really need 11 carrier strike groups for another 30 years when no other country has more than one?” Gates asked.

He noted that the Navy’s most expensive resources aren’t on the front lines when it comes to countering many modern threats, such as piracy.

“As we learned last year, you don’t necessarily need a billion-dollar guided missile destroyer to chase down and deal with a bunch of teenage pirates wielding AK-47s” and rocket-propelled grenades, Gates said.

John Pike, director of the GlobalSecurity.org defense website based in Alexandria, Va., said this is the first time, as far as he knows, that Gates has addressed the cost of maintaining the roughly 300-ship Navy.

Pike said that Gates, by raising the issue of the size and composition of the fleet with the Navy league, had entered “the Lion’s den”—a reference to the pushback he’s likely to get from Congress. Many lawmakers protect the Navy shipbuilding industry because it means jobs in their districts.

Gates said the military still has a way to go to develop capabilities useful in places such as Afghanistan, where small insurgent groups are the primary threat, and Haiti, where the military is aiding humanitarian workers.

This year, the Defense Department requested nearly $190 billion to buy and develop weapons, but only 10 percent of that is dedicated toward counterinsurgency, humanitarian and similar missions.

“This approach ignores the fact that we face diverse adversaries with finite resources that consequently force them to come at the U.S. in unconventional and innovative ways,” he said.


  • josephus

    11 carrier strikes groups? HOW ABOUT 20!

    Of course we need them! How else can you project power into a region with days or hours?

    The English navy has been downsized to match that of Indonesia. Who is policing the shipping lanes? US!

    Whose navy has more pressure applied to it…US.

    Who’s going to be building a big navy in the 21st Century…THE CHINESE.

    It is easier to maintain than it is to bulk back up. Mothball a couple of ships, but keep them operational if you have to.

    Here it comes folks. Here it comes. We’re what…a few months into Socialism and we’re already talking the two most obvious things always happen: VAT and Downsizing the military.

    • wwtd

      :beer:

  • The Sentinel at the Gate

    Same old tired liberal response to Defense spending. Been there; done that – in the years following the “Great War” (WWI) which was said (by liberals) to be the last war on the face of the earth. How’d that prophesy turn out?

    Not so fucking good – we had WWII with a totally unprepared military, then the Korean War after WWII when our strength levels were pulled down yet once again by liberals who falsely believe war would never happen again – Viet Nam, Panama, Grenada, Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, Afghanistan and as the bible has told – wars and rumors of wars until the end of time.

    So go ahead and once again gut the military for these entitlement programs which we all know give so much back to America. And next time a war erupts somewhere where we’re going to do “Nation Building”, call up some of these entitlement recipients to fight and bring some of their “blinged out” rides that we payed for in tax dollars to the fight.

    Yes, defense has always been and will always be a target for liberal spenders who do not give a damn about America’s freedom and is the reason we must destroy this cancer before it takes the whole body down with it.

    And in summary – FUCK ALL YOU LIBERAL COCK SUCKERS!

    • Solomonpal

      Yeah…good luck getting all those jelly butt entitlement types to do anything other than breed another shit load. :evil:

    • aboutTObegin

      well said Sentinel!!! The liberal fucks keep the entitlement programs around and push for more because those programs ensure their survivability as a politician! They are all the Cancer and downfall of our Republic!

      -aTb

  • ATTILA

    The silver lining is that when the chinks decide to nuke us, most of their targets will wipe contain more leftist turdballs than tha good guys.

    • YERMOM

      at least there is an up side :roll:

  • MarineDoc

    What a travesty. My God…the fleet is already too small. Has been for years now and was kicked off the cliff during the Clinton years.

    I want to puke!!

  • Egfrow

    We need to stop spending money and resource on trying to covert our Military War fighting capability into UNISEF with Tanks. This shit has to end and we need leader who will say, “Sorry, The military job;s it fight, not to give out mike and wheat to the Taliban.

  • mike3481

    Well, he finally drank the Kool-Aid Obama’s been trying to serve everyone.

  • MinneSoCold

    Let me guess…. this will be called the Hon. Murtha Naval Reform Act

    While tyrants’ & terrorists’ naval capabilities are expanding, we’ll just shrink ours… stupid. These idiots don’t understand how our military reach works when you have shit breaking out everywhere in the world. Nope, it’s “unfair” that we have an overwhelm naval force. We all know where this will lead us, increased global conflict and once again the adults will have to step-in and clean up their mess. Liberals will never grasp reality.

    • MinneSoCold

      overwhelming

  • richwill

    Apparently the armed forces are next on the list to wreck. Hussein’s track record for destroying the infrastructure in this country is phenomenal. Just think, he still has almost 3 years to go. At the end of his term the USA will be in worse shape than Mexico. Of course, Mexico is doing better by shipping all its excess baggage north.

    • westcoastgirl

      I remember Rush saying a few months back the only way to pay for all of this socialistic crap is for Obama to cut the military budget drastically. Looks like that may happen. Pathetic. These cockroaches need to be exterminated.

  • Tyler520

    This statement says it all:

    “Do we really need 11 carrier strike groups for another 30 years when no other country has more than one?”

    —Relativism

    Further proof that this admistration’s goal is the weakening of the US

  • GRIZZ

    You know what,I got too many damn guns :shock:

    • trustme1013

      that’s not possible, grizz.

      :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

  • YERMOM

    my submariner heart cant take much more of this crap

    • Rich C

      What boat? When?

    • YERMOM

      Pargo (650) in the 92-94 decom’ed it and got out.

    • Rich C.

      La Jolla 84-87 and Tautog 88-91…

    • YERMOM

      sweet

  • zeifus

    “Affordability” of a massive and relevant military is the weakest argument of all. As the government’s FIRST responsibility is to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, the LAST budget to be cut should be the military.

    If you can’t get the military right, nothing else matters because there will be nothing else to protect, bail out, take over, screw over or demonize.

    Jackass.

  • Wolfen
  • CPLViper

    So, basically, what he is saying is for us to keep our bass boats fueled up to take on the Chinese navy. Better keep that extra roll of toilet paper handy for the spit ball ammunition we will need when the libs take our guns too.

  • political.fish

    We know what they are
    We know what they are implementing
    We know its unconstitutional
    We know what the outcome will be for historic America,
    What we don’t know, and what I find most shameful and sad, is why those who claim to have sworn themselves to protect and defend the nation against this specific domestic threat, sit by and permit it to happen when it is clearly within their legal authority to end it.

    The constitution does not protect its own destruction.

    Do your duty, with honor, defend the constitution.

    • Hawkerdriver (Pisson the Koran)

      :beer: :beer: :beer:

    • aboutTObegin

      :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

      -aTb

  • Phil Byler

    Gates needs to resign. The truth is that we cannot afford both, on the one hand, the Democrat spending bills, ObamaCare, environmental extremism and, on the other, an armed forces, including a Navy, that we need. The Navy as it is is too small. It was twice its present size during the Reagan Administration. We also need a modernized Air Force. Our planes are getting old. Perhaps most of all, we need a larger and better funded Army and Marine Corps.

    • WWTD

      What’s after gates. What’s up this new digitized version, with sub titles, of the polish plane crash?

      bizarre.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEx7HL4H5yk&feature=player_embedded

    • Lock and Load

      The problem is, to these “morally superior” types who are running the good ol’ US into the ground, spending bills, Obambicare and environmental extremism are good/moral/proper… the military is bad/immoral/evil, so the choice is easy for them :roll: :evil: :???:

  • political.fish
  • BigJefe

    They don’t need a big navy to come after American Patriots. :sad:

  • Moriah

    “Do we really need 11 carrier strike groups for another 30 years when no other country has more than one?” Gates asked.

    Uh, not just yes, but hell yes! :mad:

  • Ringo69er

    Hmmm

  • Bob

    I wonder how many ships the Chinese are building?

  • odin2012

    Take our teeth and claws away, and we become the prey. Lord Obama will rape the military and use their blood for anal lube. He will kill millions of Americans…..And we will let him…. :gun:

  • Hawkerdriver (Pisson the Koran)

    What a nut-sucking weasel gates has turned out to be.He swallows lots more than kool-aid.

    Disgusting deriliction of duty for career enhancement.Enjoy it while it lasts nancyboy.

  • PatriotofPast

    Actually the ONLY Job the Govt. is supposed to do (National Defense), and they cant even get that right.
    Sounds like Treason to me… And I hope everyone knows what They used to do to Traitors?

  • wbradss

    :gun: There wont be nothing left by 2012-We decades to rebuild-Manchurian Candidate 10-4.

  • http://patdollard.com SGT A

    Isolate,demonize,ridicule. 3 tactics used in Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals. Now being employed by the left at our Military. China and Russia are going to have to be dealt with militarily. We need the F-22 that was cut by ovmitt and his fucking cohorts. I’m pretty sure a deal has been cut by ovmitt with China and Russia to cut or military to size. In ovmitt’s America, IT IS NOT FAIR WE HAVE 11 CARRIER GROUPS AND THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS ONE. I would also bet that ovomitt has given our Missile Defense secrets over to China and Russia. We project America’s power through our Carrier Strike Groups. When a World crisis arises, American Presidents when briefed by the Joint Chief’s have always asked where are the Carriers located? Well,in ovmitts America, I guess he will not have to ask that question anymore.We had drill this past weekend, and too a man, our guys are paranoid about what our Country will look like in a few short years. The United States Navy can’t even defend herself in the Persian Gulf. Here is a story that fuckin piece of shit does not want to get out. :evil:

    US Gulf units may not fire on Iranian military without White House say-so
    http://www.debka.com/article/8747/

    US Gulf units may not fire on Iranian military without White House say-so
    http://www.debka.com/article/8747/

  • http://patdollard.com SGT A

    This just stinks to high heaven. I had reserves this past weekend one SSGT told me he was paranoid about the future of our Country. Morale is pretty low. It is bad enough that the F-22 was cancelled. China and Russia are a direct threat Militarily. In ovomitt’s America,it is not far that the United States have 11 Carrier Groups. The rest of the World only has one Carrier Group. Carrier Groups are a force projection. When other freedom loving President’s where faced with a crisis, the Joint Chief’s brief the President. The first question the President asks is where are the Carrier Groups? In ovomitt’s America, I guess he won’t have to worry about asking that question anymore. I would not be supprised if that jackass and his fucking Socialist bunch cut a deal with China and Russia to decreasing – our Carrier force down to one carrier group. I would not be supprised if he gave our inner most secrets on Missle Defense to Russia and China. It is not far that we, as a super power; have this technology and the rest of the world does not. Our Carrier Group can’t even defend themselves if attacked. Here is a story that jackass does not want anyone to see.

    US Gulf units may not fire on Iranian military without White House say-so

    http://www.debka.com/article/8747/

  • http://patdollard.com USMC 3112

    I share your anguish :!: :!: I get a bad feeling. :gun: :gun:

  • Rick

    The reincarnation of Robert McNamara, what a douche

  • IRONMIKE

    He weakens the morale of the military by openly allowing gays to serve (it’s gonna happen). He takes away their ability to do their job by defunding programs and decomissioning ships. Completely anti-military and anti-American.